India has legit stake in Afghanistan: Top US Gen

[Army of Pakistan]

So when a people want to willfully break away from you, it's okay to kill a lot of them, beat them into submission and force them to stay with you?

Yes. They are traitors and will be dealt with accordingly.

Oh and yeah, the Kurds are far from having any sort of 'fate' imposed on them - in fact, it is they who will impose fates upon their Arab and Turkish enemies by following their own destiny as an independent people.

Majority of Kurds are loyal to the nation they reside in.
For the ethno-nationalists- Iran, Iraq, and Turkey are dealing with them..
Their fate is being imposed on them. Don't be an Indian and spew out garbage propaganda.

If Pashtun nationalism breaks loose and become mainstream, there is nothing any establishment would be able to do except to concede to the demands of the Pashtuns, whatever they may be.

Big talk but previous history says otherwise.

That is why Pashtun nationalism has been so violently and vigorously suppressed since 1947.

Loyal Pakistanis will have an extended arm to help them prosper in this world. Those who wish to bring down/seperate from the state will suffer. Its a fact of life every nation does it.

[afghan]

Look at yourself before poking fun at others. Seriously, when you take into account Afghanistan your post is utterly stupid.

well you can call it stupid, but the reality is that your country has not provided any proof, then who is making money from theis war on pashtun? billions of $ recieved by your country, your government is openly sposoring terrorists, its not hidden. Your ISI are openly supporting terrorism in afghanistan and india. if there is any proof that india is involved your government would have bring into the media.
afghanistan has seen all the realities, it was invaded by pakistan now Nato. the rusian has tasted afghanistan, so as the british. india just raises its voice your country starts to complain to big dady like a spoiled child.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Yes. They are traitors and will be dealt with accordingly. Majority of Kurds are loyal to the nation they reside in.
For the ethno-nationalists- Iran, Iraq, and Turkey are dealing with them..
Their fate is being imposed on them. Don't be an Indian and spew out garbage propaganda.

A people practicing their right of self-determination are neither traitors not terrorists. Isn't that Pakistan's "principled stand" on Kashmir? Why deny the same to Pashtuns and the Baloch?

I am neither an Indian nor do I have any affinities with them. Secondly, the Kurds have had tens of thousands from amongst their ranks murdered by American F-16s piloted by Muslim Arabs and Turks yet still their movement has not stopped. With a relatively independent/autonomous Mosul, the prospect for Kurds, their language, heritage and culture is better than ever before.

Big talk but previous history says otherwise.

Pashtuns has never really united under the banner of nationalism. They're fragmented into pro-Islamist, pro-Pakistan and nationalist groups. Moreover, their nationalist movement has as its foundation the principles of nonviolence. Therefore, armed nationalist Pashtun separatism has never been practiced on a large or even medium scale.

Loyal Pakistanis will have an extended arm to help them prosper in this world. Those who wish to bring down/seperate from the state will suffer. Its a fact of life every nation does it.

Yeah, I see what has happened to the loyal Baloch... and their resources. They were once loyal, you know... they weren't always "traitors". I'm sure the Bengalis also loved the wonderful arm extended to them and the prosperity it brought them.

[Sri]

Afghanistan will welcome them with open arms.

You support terrorist activities in Pakistan, you will be dealt with accordingly.

Why double standards here..?If in Kashmir u want the aspirations of the Kashmiris to be fulfilled I dont see any reason why the same aspirations of the Pashtuns too cant be fulfilled in KP..

Hypocrisy of the highest standard.

[Toramana]

What scholars? Is not everybody here equally intelligent and capable to think and articulate thoughts for themselves?

Anyways, see

Pashtun Presidents of Pakistan

1.) Muhammad Ayub Khan
2.) Yahya Khan
3.) Ghulam Ishaq Khan

Current Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence

Ahmad Shuja Pasha

Blatant lies to win an argument.

Mohammad Ayub Khan was a Potohari speaker from Rehana in Haripur district of Hazara. Potohari is the language spoken in the Potohar belt of the Punjab.

Yahya Khan was a Qazalbash born in Chakwal Punjab. He was primarily Persian but again spoke Hindku as a second language.

Ahmad Shuja Pasha is a kattas Punjabi from Wah Cantt.

[KhalsaWarrior]

So here's my first post on PF -
I believe that India has as legit a stake in Afghanistan as would any other well wishing and far-sighted neighbour. That said, India surely has its own interests but as long as those interests are not inimical to the interests of the Afghans themselves, there shouldn't be no reason why India cant be in Afghanistan. India doesn not share any land boundary with Afghanistan and as such its totally upto the Afghans themselves to let Indians stay there. And believe me nobody can stay in your country for long without your permission.

Over the years India has built up strengths in many areas- education, medicine, services etc. that can be used for the development of the Afghan nation. And If I am not wrong, there are plans to train ANA at Indian military institutions.

[Michin Khel]

What scholars? Is not everybody here equally intelligent and capable to think and articulate thoughts for themselves?

Anyways, see

Pashtun Presidents of Pakistan

1.) Muhammad Ayub Khan
2.) Yahya Khan
3.) Ghulam Ishaq Khan

Current Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence

Ahmad Shuja Pasha

Ayub Khan was a Hindkowan of Pashtun descent from haripur..

Yaha khan was a qizilbash

Ghulam ishaq khan was a Pashtun from Bannu.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Yeah, Ghulam Ishaq Khan is the only Pashtun in that list. One of his sons-in-law is Irfanullah Khan Marwat, who has been fighting for the sake of ordinary Pashtuns in Karachi since the late 80s. The other is Anwar Saifullah, though nothing good can be said about him.

Ayub Khan's son is a Hindko-nationalist so it's safe to assume that the family's 'adopted' nation has been its first priority. Their Pashtun 'ancestry' isn't of much use to Pashtuns.

[Army of Pakistan]

A people practicing their right of self-determination are neither traitors not terrorists. Isn't that Pakistan's "principled stand" on Kashmir? Why deny the same to Pashtuns and the Baloch?

The Baloch claim territory in Afghanistan too, Afghans are not giving it to them so why bring this up?

Anyways Baloch total population approximately 9 million is too insignificant to give them what they want.

The Pakistan's principle in Kashmir is to helped the oppressed who are suffering under the control of Hindus, just as its principle is in Palestine who are suffering under the occupation of Jews

I am neither an Indian nor do I have any affinities with them. Secondly, the Kurds have had tens of thousands from amongst their ranks murdered by American F-16s piloted by Muslim Arabs and Turks yet still their movement has not stopped. With a relatively independent/autonomous Mosul, the prospect for Kurds, their language, heritage and culture is better than ever before.

These ethno-nationalist Kurds use violent tactics against innocent civillians, government installation. It is the self right of every government to protect itself.

Pashtuns has never really united under the banner of nationalism. They're fragmented into pro-Islamist, pro-Pakistan and nationalist groups. Moreover, their nationalist movement has as its foundation the principles of nonviolence. Therefore, armed nationalist Pashtun separatism has never been practiced on a large or even medium scale.

This is because the majority of Pashtuns are not ethno-nationalists. This is why your group can never forment into a formidable opponent. There are more Pakistani Pasthuns that hate your mindset than there are of you.
Just as there are more Kurds who hate Kurdish ethno-nationalists.

Yeah, I see what has happened to the loyal Baloch... and their resources. They were once loyal, you know... they weren't always "traitors". I'm sure the Bengalis also loved the wonderful arm extended to them and the prosperity it brought them.

You really do not understand what is happening but hopped on the propaganda train. As I mentioned above you do not share their interests either and are not willing to give them land in Afghanistan. This posting contradicts EVERYTHING you posted and makes you look like a hypocrite.

BUT to address your statement

The resources in Balochistan is the sole property of the government of Pakistan. BUT, the Baloch were given a share of these resources that were in proportion of their population of approximately 7 million. I don't need to expalin this further. There is the rest of the country of 163 million to take care of. On a further note the money/support that was given to the Sardars were not in return given to the population. The Sardars were corrupt so we had to go in and kill them.

This is the problem with why the minority of Pashtuns in West Pakistan, Balochs in south west Pakistan have problems. They rely too much on their Tribal Elders, Sardars which most of the time the Tribal Elders and Sardars are corrupt and not there for your best interest. This type of system has been exterminated in Punjab and Sindh which is why these provinces are flourishing.

[hairan]

and will be dealt with accordingly.

Hello brother,

You are dealing with everybody 'accordingly'. Are you going to use atom bombs against everybody? What kind of 'dealing with' you have in mind for all these people? And do you know that they also can deal with you 'accordingly'?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Army of Pakistan you have about as much idea on Baloch culture as you do Pashtun. Tribal Maliks do not wield such authority in Pashtun culture as they the chaudhrys or wadderas do. Above the tribal elder in FATA is the political agent who can do carte blanche in their respective agencies. Also politics is not really a numbers game. You need the right amount of people to make the policy work. If you look at any society (even the democratic ones ) a few group people make and change policy.

Ethno-nationalists kurds do engage in violence, but so does the state. The only reason you are after the Kurds is that: a) they haven`t been silenced by the states that have oppressed them, b) you are a supporter of Turkey (which is hypocrisy considering the Turkish government surpass India in cruelty), c) you are highly ignorant of their history.

Who told you that the baloch resources are the sole propery of the government? Go back and read the 1940 resolution, read the provincial autonomy that supposed to be granted to the respective regions, go read about the state of Kalat. If you don`t even know the basic history of these areas, why are you jumping up and down? Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

[Sri]

Anyways Baloch total population approximately 9 million is too insignificant to give them what they want.

Similarly the number of Valley Kashmiri's who demand freedom from India are only abt 4 million or so..So can India adopt ur "logic" and say they r too small to be given any heed to. after all is 9 million in 180 million greater or 4 million in 1.2 billion..?...Logic at is stupid best.

The Pakistan's principle in Kashmir is to helped the oppressed who are suffering under the control of Hindus, just as its principle is in Palestine who are suffering under the occupation of Jews

Dont bring in the Hindu kaffir logic into here to divert the topic...The Pashtuns as evident from here are as different from Punjabis as well.

[شمله ور خراساني]

India armed and sponsored Ahmad Shah Massoud. And even today, India is helping his legacy. Abdulamericax2 and co are all in bed with Manmohan Singh.

[Michin Khel]

We will side with India, simply because they are helping our onfrastructure.

Pakistan on the other hand is sending us suicide bombers.

What is the target of these Suicide bombers?

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

India armed and sponsored Ahmad Shah Massoud. And even today, India is helping his legacy. Abdulamericax2 and co are all in bed with Manmohan Singh.

Sangara rora! you and I cannot help some pro-Indians to see the reality because we cannot be as glamorous as the Bollywood semi nude dancing heroines to whom much of our youth is addicted.

The soft side of the Indian Imperialist machine is these soft delicate beauties dancing to the tunes of evil. As you can see, they have conquered through their women much of our strength without even a fight or a bullet shot.