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    This is just plain ridiculous but we knew something like this would happen eventually. I especially know people at UCL who this directly affects. Shame it's not an April fool.



    CIA given details of British Muslim students


    Outrage as personal files of undergraduates at Detroit bomb suspect's college handed to US.
    By Syma Mohammed and Robert Verkaik
    Thursday, 1 April 2010

    Personal information concerning the private lives of almost 1,000 British Muslim university students is to be shared with US intelligence agencies in the wake of the Detroit bomb scare.

    The disclosure has outraged Muslim groups and students who are not involved in extremism but have been targeted by police and now fear that their names will appear on international terrorist watch lists. So far, the homes of more than 50 of the students have been visited by police officers, but nobody has been arrested. The case has raised concerns about how the police use the data of innocent people and calls into question the heavy-handed treatment of Muslim students by UK security agencies.

    This week, MPs criticised the Government's key policies on countering extremism which they said were alienating Muslim communities.

    Last year, The Independent reported on the alleged harassment of young Muslims by the police and security service, MI5, whose officers had tried to recruit them as spies. In the latest case, details of students from University College London (UCL) were handed over to police by the university's student union, after detectives visited the campus in early January 2010 during their continuing investigation into the attempted Christmas Day bombing in Detroit by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Abdulmutallab studied engineering at UCL in 2005-08, and was president of the UCL Islamic Society in 2006-07.

    Police had first approached UCL's Islamic Society, which refused to hand over the information. Mojeed Adams-Mogaji, the society's president, said: "I was concerned about what they would do with the data. At another meeting with the Metropolitan Police, they told us they would keep it for seven years and would share the data with other intelligence agencies if requested. Obviously, I'm very concerned with what they plan to do with this information."

    Gareth Peirce, the prominent human rights lawyer, advised the Islamic Society during the affair. Last night she described the police's actions as "completely inappropriate".

    She said: "You wonder if he [Abdulmutallab] had been a member of a society without the name Islamic on it, then would there have been such an appetite to grab the information. It adds to the fear that the Muslim community is a suspect community. The whole concept of data protection was meant to nail down absolute privacy and here it is being breached without a legal reason being imposed on the university to comply."
    Eric Metcalfe, at the Justice student human rights network, said he believed it was another example of "heavy-handed" policing aimed at countering radicalism rather than investigating alleged crime. "There is no reason why the police can't go to court and persuade a magistrate to issue a warrant with which the university would have to comply," he said. "But this seems more about heavy-handed intelligence gathering, which may not have respected the privacy rights of the students."

    Zubair Idris, 21, a second-year international medical student at UCL, said: "I feel frustrated and outraged. To pass on 900 student details because they were members of UCL Islamic Society is ridiculous. The reason I joined the society was for socio-cultural reasons. I've never seen the guy [Abdulmutallab]. I wasn't here when he was at university. "

    Sayyida Mehrali, 19, a first-year neuroscience student, added: "I feel that it is a bit extreme that my information has been passed onto the Metropolitan Police as I joined UCL after Umar Farouk had left. There was never any opportunity to meet this individual and I think it's shocking that they have my details on a database."

    From 2005 to 2007, Muslim students at Dundee University were harassed by Tayside Police's Special Branch community contact unit, who targeted "ethnic religious groups" in order to gather intelligence on activities that "could be considered extremist."

    The university's Student Advisory Service allowed the police to attend the Freshers Fair to speak to students, but there was an outcry after branch officers posed as community officers and spoke to students covertly. They also approached students on campus, attended university meetings and events and visited students at their homes. They repeatedly harassed members of the Dundee University Islamic Society, and during the Israel-Lebanon war in 2006, visited Muslim students at their flats late at night.

    The police initially approached the UCL Islamic Society on 4 January 2010 for a list of names of their members between 2005 and 2008. Following legal advice, the society declined to give the information. The police then approached the student union with a personal data request. The union provided names and email addresses of members of the UCL Islamic Society and Royal Free and UCL Medical Islamic Society between September 2005 and June 2009. The police then approached the university for telephone numbers and home addresses. These were passed on by the UCL Registry.

    There are further concerns about the role of the student union in the disclosure of the data. Mr Adams-Mogaji said: "We also realised that the student union gave the details of the UCL Medical Islamic Society without being requested for it. The union is supposed to protect the societies under it and not hastily succumb to pressure without the need to. We're clearly not safe with the union and our trust in them is undoubtedly diminishing."

    Qasim Rafiq, a former president of the UCL Islamic Society and spokesman for the Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS), said: "Giving unnecessary personal data to the police seems to demonstrate a lack of regard for the personal data of its members. For me, it goes against the principles of the union to act in a flagrant manner towards its constituents. We had to demand the student union to email the students whose details were given to the police, and had we not had done so students who have been contacted by the police wouldn't have been aware that their details had been passed on."

    In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said: "As part of enquiries police spoke to a number of people who may have been able to provide information relating to the background of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. This has included liaison with UCL, the student union, the Islamic Society and the FOSIS.

    "Inquires made at UCL – where Abdulmutallab studied between 2005 and 2008 – are just one strand of the investigation. We have been careful to ensure that all inquiries and information gathered is treated sensitively."

    A spokesman from UCL's press office refused to comment on the matter. A spokeswoman from the student union said: "The police asked the student union to provide details of members of the UCL Islamic Society and the Royal Free and UCL Medical Islamic Society between 2005 and 2008. The union provided the names and email addresses of student members only."

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    The UK is a surveillance society Khaney.

    Anybody living in the UK knows that if you go about your daily business - i.e. take the bus, go to the post office, go to school or work etc. you are being filmed.

    George Orwell wrote about the Big Brother state watching you in 1984, Aldous Huxley said similiar things in Brave New World and in the movie V for Vendetta part of the dystopia is about monitoring human movement. The writers here were British writers and they were not writing about closed societies with secret police like Soviet Russia or North Korea or Saddam's Iraq. They were writing about Britain.

    V for Vendetta was also set in a future dystopic Britain.

    Why is this significant? Well, the UK is an island and a great testing ground - think of a society that is some huge experimental social laboratory. The UK, for starters, currently ranks as the most watched society on earth. Most Brits on average, are caught on CCTV 300 times a day - just going about their usual business. When political parties talk about an illegal immigration* problem, this is laughable because I can't see (a) how they can slip in through the tight borders (it's an island to start with) and (b) the quality of life that the migrants are supposed to get away with. The state is all joined up so you can barely go unnoticed. It is nigh on impossible to opt out of this electonic surveillance and it doesn't take a stroke of genius to gather just a portion of this data to create an e-profile of individuals.

    Does this create a safer society and is the UK, a leading western country an example of freedom for the rest of the world?

    Well clearly not.


    *illegal immigration is used to target Muslims of course.
    Last edited by tor_khan; 04-01-2010, 03:52 PM.

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    • #3
      Unfortunately it's the same everywhere even in Canada CSIS closely monitors all Muslim student activity, it is discrimination but they are doing their job.. If they were to fail at it the backlash against Muslim communities would be even greater.
      It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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      • #4
        I agree with you Tor Khan when you say that the UK is a surveillance society... but if you watch some of the stuff Muslims do in the UK, you can begin to understand why they're paranoid... Here's my argument:

        Firstly, the average European/American citizen is a coward. He lives a secure life with the police, the fire brigade, the ambulance, etc at his fingertips. He is also heavily reliant on his source of news (his news-entertainment media) for his knowledge. Now add those two up with images of bearded Muslims running amok in the streets of England, asking for Shari'ah and claiming that they'd turn the UK into an Islamic society.

        Our average UK citizen would be genuinely scared.

        My point is that it's the Muslims' fault as well. If these jeans-clad, bearded Al-Qaedas want Shari'ah so bad, they can always go to Somalia, Saudi Arabia, etc... but with their rhetoric, they drag down their entire community with them.
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
          I agree with you Tor Khan when you say that the UK is a surveillance society... but if you watch some of the stuff Muslims do in the UK, you can begin to understand why they're paranoid... Here's my argument:

          Firstly, the average European/American citizen is a coward. He lives a secure life with the police, the fire brigade, the ambulance, etc at his fingertips. He is also heavily reliant on his source of news (his news-entertainment media) for his knowledge. Now add those two up with images of bearded Muslims running amok in the streets of England, asking for Shari'ah and claiming that they'd turn the UK into an Islamic society.

          Our average UK citizen would be genuinely scared.

          My point is that it's the Muslims' fault as well. If these jeans-clad, bearded Al-Qaedas want Shari'ah so bad, they can always go to Somalia, Saudi Arabia, etc... but with their rhetoric, they drag down their entire community with them.
          Most of them are what I call "armchair jihadis".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
            The UK is a surveillance society Khaney.
            Yes I understand that wrora, but they are targetting us so much now. Why give the info to the CIA, I mean they will now be internationally watched like terrorists, for doing nothing. I'm not saying I'm surprised they did that, I'm more surprised it was so publically mentioned. Islamaphobia is everywhere you look, it's slyly dropped in everywhere, and it really irritates me, but what can you do.

            I'm not sure if you've heard the whole story about all those Muslim youths who were recently jailed for protesting in London, against the Gaza conflict - that was incredibly unreasonable. The general feeling amongst the Muslim youth over here, is that they're trying to scare us and trying to shut us up.


            Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
            bearded Muslims running amok in the streets of England, asking for Shari'ah and claiming that they'd turn the UK into an Islamic society.

            Our average UK citizen would be genuinely scared.

            My point is that it's the Muslims' fault as well. If these jeans-clad, bearded Al-Qaedas want Shari'ah so bad, they can always go to Somalia, Saudi Arabia, etc... but with their rhetoric, they drag down their entire community with them.
            I don't understand this whole idea of bringing Shari3a law to the UK, it annoys me a lot. It's never gonna happen, understandably, thus it just acts as bad publicity. However, I haven't met one Muslim who supports this notion, neither can I personally think of any Brits who are afraid of us - (an average UK Muslim).

            There was even that hate preacher Omar, a fundamentalist all for Sahri3a law in Britain and such - news came out that his daughter was a stripper.....hello! What a joke, they're just making fools of themsleves.

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            • #7
              To be honest I don't give a dame about the UK,
              I am here to study and make money and then thats it...I am out of here inshallah soon.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
                To be honest I don't give a dame about the UK,
                I am here to study and make money and then thats it...I am out of here inshallah soon.
                Master Afghanistan needs foreign remittance more than ever right now, do you know Afghanistan recieved 8 billion dollars in remittances from people living in foreign countries ? that was a huge boost for Afghan economy. Afghans living abroad are a lifeline to Afghan economy
                It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Credere View Post
                  Master Afghanistan needs foreign remittance more than ever right now, do you know Afghanistan recieved 8 billion dollars in remittances from people living in foreign countries ? that was a huge boost for Afghan economy. Afghans living abroad are a lifeline to Afghan economy
                  Life is boring here.
                  We send most of our money to our home to buy land and bulid busniess so we can live there and make money.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Khaney View Post
                    Yes I understand that wrora, but they are targetting us so much now. Why give the info to the CIA, I mean they will now be internationally watched like terrorists, for doing nothing. I'm not saying I'm surprised they did that, I'm more surprised it was so publically mentioned. Islamaphobia is everywhere you look, it's slyly dropped in everywhere, and it really irritates me, but what can you do.

                    I'm not sure if you've heard the whole story about all those Muslim youths who were recently jailed for protesting in London, against the Gaza conflict - that was incredibly unreasonable. The general feeling amongst the Muslim youth over here, is that they're trying to scare us and trying to shut us up.




                    I don't understand this whole idea of bringing Shari3a law to the UK, it annoys me a lot. It's never gonna happen, understandably, thus it just acts as bad publicity. However, I haven't met one Muslim who supports this notion, neither can I personally think of any Brits who are afraid of us - (an average UK Muslim).

                    There was even that hate preacher Omar, a fundamentalist all for Sahri3a law in Britain and such - news came out that his daughter was a stripper.....hello! What a joke, they're just making fools of themsleves.

                    This coincides with facebook too daymm...these people that are calling for sharia in this country are fakes, they are bought by the government to give us a bad name and for the general public to hate us even more, these are the mullahs of luton...

                    BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


                    taubaa everytime i walk past them they try to recruit me!

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                    • #11
                      I'm certainly not against illegal immigration, here in the US oftentimes racist and Right wingers accuse Mexicans of trying to conquer the US and all kinds of nonsense. It seems the same in Europe. Though I don't have a problem with spying on terrorist or anything like that.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Amarkhel View Post
                        these are the mullahs of luton...

                        BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


                        taubaa everytime i walk past them they try to recruit me!
                        That happened in Luton? Ye I remember that, it was posted on CK too. It was daft, who do they think they are, what gives them the right to act in such a manner? It's pathetic. But she really needs to stop saying she's representing Muslims.

                        Originally posted by imb706 View Post
                        Though I don't have a problem with spying on terrorist or anything like that.
                        Spying on terrorists is one thing, targetting Muslim (students) is a another.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Khaney View Post
                          That happened in Luton? Ye I remember that, it was posted on CK too. It was daft, who do they think they are, what gives them the right to act in such a manner? It's pathetic. But she really needs to stop saying she's representing Muslims.



                          Spying on terrorists is one thing, targetting Muslim (students) is a another.
                          True say shes not a true representative of us, but their attitude was just absolutely horrible, only the other day i was in the bus and i came across an advertising board which was about discipline in schools and they sellotaped the word "haram" over schools. No wonder we are being looked at as extremists.

                          Imb mate what do you achieve at being on a forum like this, if you hate us muslims so much then why dont you publicise it in person and make your complaints to the government rather than wasting your hours ranting and raving at us at how bad muslims are and that we are terrorists. For your information we are NOT terrorists..every muslim student i've come across are all hard workers and into their studies. They just simply want to get on with their lives! provide for their families and make a good future for themselves including myself. Why would we waste our lives just blowing ourselves up just so you guys can use this excuse to attack us? Islam is AGAINST this very act of committing suicide so those who have partaken in this act are NOT muslims and we abhorr such behavior..

                          If you classify people like abu hamza, omar bakri and sayful islam as muslims..dont! because they aren't these people are around to keep the state of muslims backwards. These are the true extremists not us.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Amarkhel View Post
                            True say shes not a true representative of us, but their attitude was just absolutely horrible, only the other day i was in the bus and i came across an advertising board which was about discipline in schools and they sellotaped the word "haram" over schools. No wonder we are being looked at as extremists.

                            Imb mate what do you achieve at being on a forum like this, if you hate us muslims so much then why dont you publicise it in person and make your complaints to the government rather than wasting your hours ranting and raving at us at how bad muslims are and that we are terrorists. For your information we are NOT terrorists..every muslim student i've come across are all hard workers and into their studies. They just simply want to get on with their lives! provide for their families and make a good future for themselves including myself. Why would we waste our lives just blowing ourselves up just so you guys can use this excuse to attack us? Islam is AGAINST this very act of committing suicide so those who have partaken in this act are NOT muslims and we abhorr such behavior..

                            If you classify people like abu hamza, omar bakri and sayful islam as muslims..dont! because they aren't these people are around to keep the state of muslims backwards. These are the true extremists not us.
                            Abu bakr etc most were vetarans of the bosnian war for which the British and CIA trained to attack Serbian soldiers, its amazing eh, how Americans act so innocently when in reality they worked so hard to use these guys fr their own interests

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by makeenMaseed View Post
                              Abu bakr etc most were vetarans of the bosnian war for which the British and CIA trained to attack Serbian soldiers, its amazing eh, how Americans act so innocently when in reality they worked so hard to use these guys fr their own interests
                              yeah its really sad, when the bosnians were about to go into war with the slavs the UN took all their weps away so they could get slaughtered..mostly all these mullahs etc are trained by the govts from the west.

                              Wrora these things will keep on happening no matter what, its down to us to help ourselves kana and strengthen our people so we will withstand anything insha allah..

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