There is no difference between Afghan and Pakistani government : Hakimullah M.

[abassinafghan]

@ revolution

in the 80s and the 90s the glorious mujahedin did the same , they killed people just because they happend to be related to simple police foot soldiers or they attacted civil servants killing every one in the shoba and then leave ...

so why was that what happend in the past jihad , and what is happening now a crime ????

why is it jihad if it is afghanistan but a crime in pakistan ???

[RevolutionThroughReason]

SOME of the SO CALLED Mujahideen did what you describe, this is true ...like Hekmatyar but Mujahideen are very complex because they had diverse groups. The same Mujahideen who were killing policemen and relatives were also responsible for the Afghan Civil War but let's not say that these kinds of men are good guys. Not even Rasul(saw) targeted whole families or even mere rank and file people.

Jihad is never a crime; murdering people, civilians especially is ALWAYS a crime whether in Afghanistan or Pakistan. This is why Mullah Umar is a criminal and so is this Hakimullah Mehsud

[Afghanistan2010]

@ revolution

in the 80s and the 90s the glorious mujahedin did the same , they killed people just because they happend to be related to simple police foot soldiers or they attacted civil servants killing every one in the shoba and then leave ...

so why was that what happend in the past jihad , and what is happening now a crime ????

why is it jihad if it is afghanistan but a crime in pakistan ???

He supports pakistanis,pakistan government and ISI.

[Afghanistan2010]

Are you saying this because what they do is in Pakistan? or because if you think murdering people for just happening to be policemen, local administrative officals and THEIR FAMILIES who often are just bystanders, Is ok then you lost any credibility I thought you had.

civilians are never legit targets NEVER.

Lying,lying,lying.

Any force either they are locals or organized army,they are a legtimiate target in case of conflicts between two groups.

If they are killed in many ways,why can't they use tactics like invading Army bases,taking government soldiers as hostages.

[randolph85]

His speech was more about Pakistan than anything else. He is more of a cancer for pakistan. It was pakistan that told these guys to go fight in Afghanistan. As they found out that Pakistan was providing the weapons to NATO who were killing his men, they turned their own guns on the Pakistani state.

what harm is he doing to the paki state? the state is in no position of collapse because of the ttp and its not exactly putting a dent in the economy since there is pretty much no economy in those areas. the state doesn't care about sacrificing its own soldiers to fight the ttp.

it was evident to all that pakistan was supporting NATO right after 9/11, it doesn't take until 2007 to figure that one out.

[Afghanistan2010]

what harm is he doing to the paki state? the state is in no position of collapse because of the ttp and its not exactly putting a dent in the economy since there is pretty much no economy in those areas. the state doesn't care about sacrificing its own soldiers to fight the ttp.

it was evident to all that pakistan was supporting NATO right after 9/11, it doesn't take until 2007 to figure that one out.

wrong,the resistance tribal council to resist to exist against napak fooj ( pakistani army)and its government was proclaimed in 2004 and most of the fighters are locals,who wanted to wage war in Afghanistan after 2001,but Pakistan army tried to capture the safe havens of the Islamic emirate were fighters come from and they can make holidays,which are in Waziristan,Baluchistan.

due to TTPs attacks Pakistani politicians are ****ting their pants,pakistan army is unable to move around in areas of khybar-pakhtunkhwa,ISI is more frightend then it was ever,and have lost many criminal agents due to TTPs attacks.

[Shah-i-Kot]

what harm is he doing to the paki state? the state is in no position of collapse because of the ttp and its not exactly putting a dent in the economy since there is pretty much no economy in those areas. the state doesn't care about sacrificing its own soldiers to fight the ttp.

Pakistan is a collapsing state and is in a state of chaos. Insecurity has spread to Punjab. There is a Balochistan and FATA insurgency as well as unrest in Karachi between different ethnic groups.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/militants-kill-nine-police-officers-in-lahore.html

http://tribune.com.pk/story/406573/army-camp-attack-pamphlet-vows-more-attacks-if-nato-supplies-continue/

Pakistan, despite being a mercenary state at the service of NATO war, and being paid billions over the years for supporting the NATO war, has no economy due to rampant corruption.

it was evident to all that pakistan was supporting NATO right after 9/11, it doesn't take until 2007 to figure that one out.

You are right, everyone knew Pakistan was supporting the NATO war/Karzai regime from the get go. Thats not the issue.

Musharraf was requested by the US to start an operation in FATA which he agreed to in the period of 2004-2005. The US said that what they termed "safe havens" in FATA was preventing success in Afghanistan. This is where the Pakistani insurgency starts against the state. This is in tandem with the ongoing Afghan insurgency.


Pakistan is collapsing. There is a Balochistan insurgency and FATA insurgency