ABC News : Taliban video showing attack on Camp Salerno,which killed or wounded 150+

[RevolutionThroughReason]

yeah Kais, listen to the lady, you don't want to get hurt, go hang out with the other sissies, knit a quilt or something.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I could repeat it a million times; your delusional buddy. Get some therapy, I care for you, and want you to seek help.

[KaisMode]YOU'RE delusional, you're delusional, I believe people were made from clay, the Sun sets in a muddy pool, and the tooth fairy stole my lunch money, but you're delusional[/KaisMode]

keep saying that to the voices in your head, one day it will be real.

[IamDZJ]

Leave the sexually perverted pile of dirt to himself so he can start barking at walls and be over with his "reason" talk.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

dazahrojam sounds like you have a fixation for sexually perverted piles of dirt are you fasting?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

>>>>>>DZJ

[Shah-i-Kot]

I mean the story of camp salerno being attacked and losing 150 + men .....everyone knows Taliban produce weak propaganda videos.

This is a confirmed incident, confirmed by both the US military and the Taliban.


In war, truth is the first casualty. The US military and the Taliban at times both indulge in various forms of propaganda as it always happens in all wars. There is more incentive for the current US officials to do more spin offs since the war is not in the favor of NATO, and has been written of as a failed war nearing its end.

Now, if there was already one lie, then whose to say that the admission of the "truth" is really true, and is in fact a further cover up for the possible 100+ actual casualties? Are you the Judge, Revolution? Are you the one who decides what is true and what is not?

LOL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/attack-on-us-outpost-in-afghanistan-worse-than-originally-reported/2012/06/16/gJQAlyaihV_print.html

Attack on U.S. outpost in Afghanistan worse than originally reported

By Joshua Partlow and Craig Whitlock,

KABUL — A June 1 attack on a U.S. outpost near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was much worse than originally disclosed by the military as insurgents pounded the base with a truck bomb, killing two Americans and seriously wounding about three dozen troops, officials acknowledged Saturday.
The blast flattened the dining hall and post exchange at Forward Operating Base Salerno in Khost province, a frequent target of insurgents in the past. Five Afghan civilians were killed and more than 100 other U.S. troops were treated for minor injuries. U.S. officials estimated that the truck was carrying 1,500 pounds of explosives.
U.S. and Afghan military officials said they killed 14 insurgents, many of whom were wearing suicide vests.
The scale of the attack and the extent of the U.S. casualties contrast with the official description presented by coalition forces on the day of the assault. In a clipped, one-paragraph news release on June 1, the military said U.S. and Afghan forces “successfully repelled the attack and secured the base.”
The statement did not report any casualties, nor that there was a truck bomb.
“It was a very huge explosion,” said Daoud Khan Makeen, head of the provincial council in Khost. He said that houses as far as two miles away were damaged in the blast and that 20 Afghans were wounded, many of them by collapsed buildings.
Although the public was kept in the dark about the details, Obama administration officials seized on the incident afterward as the latest example of how Pakistan is allowing insurgents to use its territory to plan attacks, causing another international row between Washington and Islamabad.
U.S. officials also blamed Pakistan for not taking stronger action against the Haqqani network, which they said was responsible for organizing and carrying out the attack. The Haqqani group is a major faction in the Taliban-led insurgency and takes refuge in camps on the Pakistani side of the border.
Citing the attack on Salerno and pent-up frustration over years of similar assaults, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta harshly criticized Pakistan for failing to crack down on the Haqqanis. “We are reaching the limits of our patience,” he said June 7 while in Kabul, a day after he slammed Pakistan as an untrustworthy partner during a visit to its archenemy, India.
“Secretary Panetta — along with other senior U.S. officials — has had serious long-standing concerns about the Haqqanis,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said. “Of course he was disturbed by this recent attack, which reinforced the fact that even more intense pressure needs to be applied against the network.”
U.S. military officials said they did not try to play down the severity of the attack on the Salerno base. They said it is their long-standing policy to withhold information about wounded or injured troops. At Salerno, many of the service members listed as casualties went to the base clinic as a precaution to be tested for traumatic brain injury, the officials said.
“When you do look at the number of wounded . . . it looks like ‘oh my goodness,’ ” said a senior NATO official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the policy against discussing non-lethal casualties. “It’s not a coverup. It is what it is.”
The official said most of the 100 service members who suffered minor injuries returned to duty that same day.
The Defense Department did later identify a soldier who died three days after the attack as Pfc. Vincent J. Ellis, 22, a member of the 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division.
U.S. officials said Saturday that an American contractor also later died of wounds suffered in the attack, but they declined to provide an identification.
U.S. officials said they were assessing security at Salerno in the aftermath of the truck bombing.
Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, a U.S. military spokesman in Kabul, said that at all coalition bases, from the headquarters in Kabul to the smallest combat outpost, “protection is taken very seriously.”
“When you do have an incident like this, you do after-action reviews, you assess the incident to see . . . what can you do better to improve,” he said. “We’re always doing that.”
Salerno is a relatively large base in the mountains near the Pakistani border, named after the town where Allied troops made amphibious landings during their 1943 invasion of the Italian mainland during World War II.
The Haqqanis have repeatedly tried to overrun the Salerno base in recent years, and it is a frequent target of rocket attacks. In August 2008, insurgents were beaten back during an assault on the camp’s perimeter that lasted two days. Two years later, about three dozen Haqqani fighters were killed during a similar attack on Salerno and a nearby installation, Forward Operating Base Chapman.
Chapman is a military base also used by the CIA. It was the target of a December 2009 suicide bombing by an al-Qaeda triple agent who killed seven CIA operatives, the deadliest attack against the agency in 26 years.


Whitlock reported from Washington. Special correspondent Javed Hamdard contributed to this report.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

UnKnownPrince, you're not presenting anything that wasn't already IN the video. It's tripe and propaganda, the "worse damage" is making the cafeteria collapse, they have after footage of the camp IN the Taliban video.

This is just an unsuccessful assault, only 2 americans killed, a moron lost his life for nothing and the Americans are still active ON that base.

[Shah-i-Kot]

UnKnownPrince, you're not presenting anything that wasn't already IN the video. It's tripe and propaganda, the "worse damage" is making the cafeteria collapse, they have after footage of the camp IN the Taliban video.

This is just an unsuccessful assault, only 2 americans killed, a moron lost his life for nothing and the Americans are still active ON that base.

you said the incident did not happen at this specific base. Now you state it did happen.

What changed?Did a few US military press releases lend credibility to it?

So you give credence to one sides version but not the other.

^this is all you are doing. You got no substance to your reasoning other then to say one side is telling the truth and other side isn't. It means nothing at all, dude.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

yeah and then I watched the video the whole hour long video, I am allowed to modify statements based on new information; now after watching the hour long video, I concur it was Salerno, but the loss of life is exaggerated and the "worse" damage was a cafeteria

This isn't me making things up or giving credence to one side, THAT'S ALL in the video, download it an watch it yourself.

[Shah-i-Kot]

hahaha this is the most bogus video clip ever.

firstly all they show is people firing guns at nothing ....then all they show is a crash and explosion, but no actual fighting or casualties.

Secondly no one even knows if that is camp salerno, this is a picture of camp salerno.

Hi,

The event did happen, and is confirmed by both the US military and the Taliban. I dont know if you can tell both of them that they are lying.

In war, truth is the first casualty.

two completely different places

there's no evidence of any movement inside, it looks like all they did was blow up an empty place and fire their guns randomly. That Paki guy in the truck died for nothing. LOL


Why Munafiq2010 always posts fake propaganda , isn't Islam about telling the truth?

[/QUOTE]Dude, the event did happen, as it is confirmed by the US military, Taliban, and the Afghan government.


I dont know what exactly your trying to prove.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/attack-on-us-outpost-in-afghanistan-worse-than-originally-reported/2012/06/16/gJQAlyaihV_print.html

Attack on U.S. outpost in Afghanistan worse than originally reported

By Joshua Partlow and Craig Whitlock,

KABUL — A June 1 attack on a U.S. outpost near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was much worse than originally disclosed by the military as insurgents pounded the base with a truck bomb, killing two Americans and seriously wounding about three dozen troops, officials acknowledged Saturday.
The blast flattened the dining hall and post exchange at Forward Operating Base Salerno in Khost province, a frequent target of insurgents in the past. Five Afghan civilians were killed and more than 100 other U.S. troops were treated for minor injuries. U.S. officials estimated that the truck was carrying 1,500 pounds of explosives.
U.S. and Afghan military officials said they killed 14 insurgents, many of whom were wearing suicide vests.
The scale of the attack and the extent of the U.S. casualties contrast with the official description presented by coalition forces on the day of the assault. In a clipped, one-paragraph news release on June 1, the military said U.S. and Afghan forces “successfully repelled the attack and secured the base.”
The statement did not report any casualties, nor that there was a truck bomb.
“It was a very huge explosion,” said Daoud Khan Makeen, head of the provincial council in Khost. He said that houses as far as two miles away were damaged in the blast and that 20 Afghans were wounded, many of them by collapsed buildings.
Although the public was kept in the dark about the details, Obama administration officials seized on the incident afterward as the latest example of how Pakistan is allowing insurgents to use its territory to plan attacks, causing another international row between Washington and Islamabad.
U.S. officials also blamed Pakistan for not taking stronger action against the Haqqani network, which they said was responsible for organizing and carrying out the attack. The Haqqani group is a major faction in the Taliban-led insurgency and takes refuge in camps on the Pakistani side of the border.
Citing the attack on Salerno and pent-up frustration over years of similar assaults, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta harshly criticized Pakistan for failing to crack down on the Haqqanis. “We are reaching the limits of our patience,” he said June 7 while in Kabul, a day after he slammed Pakistan as an untrustworthy partner during a visit to its archenemy, India.
“Secretary Panetta — along with other senior U.S. officials — has had serious long-standing concerns about the Haqqanis,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said. “Of course he was disturbed by this recent attack, which reinforced the fact that even more intense pressure needs to be applied against the network.”
U.S. military officials said they did not try to play down the severity of the attack on the Salerno base. They said it is their long-standing policy to withhold information about wounded or injured troops. At Salerno, many of the service members listed as casualties went to the base clinic as a precaution to be tested for traumatic brain injury, the officials said.
“When you do look at the number of wounded . . . it looks like ‘oh my goodness,’ ” said a senior NATO official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the policy against discussing non-lethal casualties. “It’s not a coverup. It is what it is.”
The official said most of the 100 service members who suffered minor injuries returned to duty that same day.
The Defense Department did later identify a soldier who died three days after the attack as Pfc. Vincent J. Ellis, 22, a member of the 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division.
U.S. officials said Saturday that an American contractor also later died of wounds suffered in the attack, but they declined to provide an identification.
U.S. officials said they were assessing security at Salerno in the aftermath of the truck bombing.
Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, a U.S. military spokesman in Kabul, said that at all coalition bases, from the headquarters in Kabul to the smallest combat outpost, “protection is taken very seriously.”
“When you do have an incident like this, you do after-action reviews, you assess the incident to see . . . what can you do better to improve,” he said. “We’re always doing that.”
Salerno is a relatively large base in the mountains near the Pakistani border, named after the town where Allied troops made amphibious landings during their 1943 invasion of the Italian mainland during World War II.
The Haqqanis have repeatedly tried to overrun the Salerno base in recent years, and it is a frequent target of rocket attacks. In August 2008, insurgents were beaten back during an assault on the camp’s perimeter that lasted two days. Two years later, about three dozen Haqqani fighters were killed during a similar attack on Salerno and a nearby installation, Forward Operating Base Chapman.
Chapman is a military base also used by the CIA. It was the target of a December 2009 suicide bombing by an al-Qaeda triple agent who killed seven CIA operatives, the deadliest attack against the agency in 26 years.


Whitlock reported from Washington. Special correspondent Javed Hamdard contributed to this report.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Making a longer post of the same illogical nonsensical gobblygoop won't make it seem like you have a credible argument. After watching the video, that's the conclusion we can get from what they presentthat same Washington Post article is IN the video, I already viewed it, no point int repasting it 20 times and making longer more asinine posts to supplement it.

The video is grade A taliban poop, case closed.

[Shah-i-Kot]

yeah and then I watched the video the whole hour long video, I am allowed to modify statements based on new information; now after watching the hour long video, I concur it was Salerno, but the loss of life is exaggerated and the "worse" damage was a cafeteria

This isn't me making things up or giving credence to one side, THAT'S ALL in the video, download it an watch it yourself.

You are placing truth into the US military's version of events. Now, if you feel they are reporting the truth, then just state it outright.

After your denial of the occurrence of the event was refuted, now, your stating it is exaggerated. Your just repeating word for word what the US military said right here.

Basically, this official statement is the truth to you.

"The scale of the attack and the extent of the U.S. casualties contrast with the official description presented by coalition forces on the day of the assault. In a clipped, one-paragraph news release on June 1, the military said U.S. and Afghan forces “successfully repelled the attack and secured the base.”

[RevolutionThroughReason]

So is the Taliban video; the video has a copy of the Washington Post article in it in hopes of using it as proof of their venture, in case you didn't know THE WASHINGTON POST is a U.S. News Paper, you can't USE a western source THEN condemn Western sources. If you're using it as proof then it's content which says only 2 soldiers were killed has to be accepted to. You can't cherry pick which parts are true, that's called confirmation bias.

[Shah-i-Kot]

So is the Taliban video; the video has a copy of the Washington Post article in it in hopes of using it as proof of their venture, in case you didn't know THE WASHINGTON POST is a U.S. News Paper, you can't USE a western source THEN condemn Western sources. If you're using it as proof then it's content which says only 2 soldiers were killed has to be accepted to. You can't cherry pick which parts are true, that's called confirmation bias.

The Washington Post did not make something up about the reported 2 casualties, that was reported officially by the US military.

No, what you are doing is saying that the US military press releases are true. Its ok, you believe the official press releases of NATO and the US military.

Im not debating you if you failed to realize that. Im simply stating exactly what you are doing which is holding the official US military version of events as the truth, and nothing else.

In fact, Im not even telling you that you should not do that.

As for debating, aside from addressing what you are stating vaguely, you do not know how to debate.

A quick version of this supposed "debate" (in your mind) is that you state this: "The US military is correct and has released the actual version of events"

Done

[Shah-i-Kot]

This is your train of thought.

US military stated the event happened,>>> therefore it happened.

US military stated that there were only 2 NATO casualties,>>> therefore, there are only 2 NATO casualties.

Thats all your doing, nothing else.