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    Mr. Obama, standing with General Petraeus and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the White House Rose Garden to underline the continuity and solidity of his Afghan policy, said that he had accepted General McChrystal’s resignation “with considerable regret.”



    Mr. Obama said he had done so not out of personal insult over a magazine article featuring contemptuous quotes from the general and his staff about senior administration officials, but because it showed the general had not met standards of behavior for a commander, which threatened to erode trust among administration and military officials, as well as undermine civilian control of the military.



    “War is bigger than any one man or woman, whether a private, a general or president,” Mr. Obama said. “As difficult as it is to lose General McChrystal, I believe it is the right decision for our national security.”



    “I welcome debate among my team,” he said, “but I won’t tolerate division.”



    General Petraeus, who holds overarching responsibility for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as the head of the United States Central Command, would be required to leave his current post to take on his new appointment, which must now be confirmed by the United States Senate. Mr. Obama stressed that the change in leadership did not signal a shift in his overall war strategy in Afghanistan, where thousands of new American troops have been arriving in recent months among increasing casualties and growing questions about the progress of the war.



    “This is a change in personnel, but it is not a change in policy,” Mr. Obama said.



    The reshuffle injected new uncertainties into relations between the United States and the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, who had urged American leaders to let General McChrystal remain in place.



    “We are not opposing his successor, but we would prefer that General McChrystal come back,” Ahmed Wali Karzai, the influential half brother of Mr. Karzai, said earlier Wednesday, suggesting that the Afghan government was realistic about the possibility that General McChrystal would be replaced.



    General McChrystal had proved to be one of the few Western leaders who could work well with President Karzai, building trust and traveling to tribal meetings with him, and personally apologizing when Western military actions resulted in major civilian casualties, which have been a source of deep anger for Afghans.



    In a brief statement, General McChrystal said he supported the strategy in Afghanistan and had resigned out of a “desire to see the mission succeed.” His dismissal did not alter his rank, but it was unknown what role he would next play in the Pentagon, if any.



    General McChrystal and Mr. Obama met for about 20 minutes earlier in the day, after the general flew from Afghanistan to Washington on Tuesday amid a growing furor over the article, which Rolling Stone magazine posted on its Web site on Tuesday after it had leaked to other news outlets.



    The article quoted General McChrystal and his aides speaking critically of nearly every member of the president’s national security team, dismissing Vice President Biden as “Bite Me”; calling the national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, a “clown”; and disparaging other top officials.



    The firestorm over the article was fueled by increasing doubts — even in the military — that Afghanistan can be won and by crumbling public support for the nine-year war as American casualties rise. The remarks also laid bare the disarray and enmity in a foreign policy team that is struggling with the war.
    In replacing General McChrystal, Mr. Obama decisively showed that he remained the ultimate decision-maker on military matters and would not tolerate insubordinate behavior or internal rifts among his top officers.



    But the decision also invited criticism that Mr. Obama was shaking up his military command at a crucial moment in the conflict, when coalition forces are preparing to try to take control of the country’s second-largest city, Kandahar, the spiritual home of the Taliban.



    Beyond that, Mr. Obama’s war strategy is in many ways a McChrystal strategy. The general devised the plan, which called for thousands of extra troops to fight the insurgency and, perhaps more important, create a sense of security for the Afghan people.



    But Mr. Obama said the mission in Afghanistan, where the United States now has more than 90,000 troops, remained unchanged by General McChrystal’s removal. “We have a clear goal,” Mr. Obama said. “We are going to break the Taliban’s momentum. We are going to build Afghan capacity. We are going to relentlessly apply pressure on Al Qaeda and its leadership, strengthening the ability of both Afghanistan and Pakistan to do the same.”



    The Afghanistan team has suffered many internal conflicts, including complaints from the American ambassador, Karl W. Eikenberry, about Richard C. Holbrooke, the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. In one episode that dramatized the building animosities, General Jones, the national security adviser, wrote to Ambassador Eikenberry in February, sympathizing with his complaints about a visit Mr. Holbrooke had recently made to Afghanistan. In the note, which went out over channels that were not secure, officials said, General Jones soothed the ambassador by suggesting that Mr. Holbrooke would soon be removed from his job.



    The Jones note prompted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to complain to Mr. Obama, and her support for Mr. Holbrooke has kept him in his job.



    The infighting has been made more severe by the increasingly perilous situation on the ground. Violence in Afghanistan is on the rise. The mission to pacify Marja and Kandahar is far off track. And the effort to create a viable Afghan government is increasingly in doubt because of widespread corruption. Criticism is mounting on Capitol Hill, even among the president’s backers, and many allies have announced that they are looking for the exit, with others expected to do the same in the coming months.



    There has been vigorous debate within the administration about how to proceed in Afghanistan, but in the article General McChrystal and his aides did not overtly criticize administration policy.





    Rather, the differences revealed were personal. One administration official described Mr. Obama as being particularly furious at a characterization of him in the article as not seeming “very engaged” during that first White House meeting.



    Over all, the article depicted General McChrystal at the head of a small circle of aides engaged in what came close to locker-room trash talk as they discussed foreign policy, the French, their allegiance to one another and their own concerns about course of the war. The civilian communications adviser who set up the interview, Duncan Boothby, has resigned.



    Helene Cooper reported from Washington and Jack Healy from New York. Reporting was contributed by Dexter Filkins from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Thom Shanker and Mark Landler from Washington.
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    General Petraeus is made out of the same exact material anyways. This does not benefit us in anyways at all.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
      General Petraeus is made out of the same exact material anyways. This does not benefit us in anyways at all.
      Not true. Patreaus is a Jew. McCrystal wasn't.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by unhiddentruth
        Sangara, would this benefit us Afghans in anyways?
        No. Its just more bad news. McCrystal was not as savage a killer as Patreaus is.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by unhiddentruth
          Are you serious? They both work under Obama what difference does it make? Do you think any of em worked for Afghan interests? Adminn is right both are the same crap different toilet.
          Study the leadership of Patreaus in Iraq war recently. Patreaus loves killing people more and he pleaded for more killing. McCrystal however, he use to love killing. But in Afghanistan he changed his ways.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sangar View Post
            No. Its just more bad news. McCrystal was not as savage a killer as Patreaus is.

            Now this is an under statement.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sangar View Post
              Not true. Patreaus is a Jew. McCrystal wasn't.
              Source?

              Anything is better than McKiernan. Though David Petraeus might faint when faced with the Pashtun resistance.
              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GoPashtunGo
                  This is silly. Both have 1 objective, Destabilize Afghanistan and reap benefits from our land.
                  Malgariya, who has caused instability in Afghanistan? Who is supporting terrorists in Afghanistan?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                    Source?
                    David Petraeus Jewish
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                    • #11
                      I did some research and it says he is of dutch descent. The only Jewish general I know is General Wesley Clark and even he wasn't brought in his jewish faith (later on converted to Catholicism.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
                        I did some research and it says he is of dutch descent. The only Jewish general I know is General Wesley Clark and even he wasn't brought in his jewish faith (later on converted to Catholicism.
                        He is a Dutch Jew from Fryslan province, in north of The Netherlands.
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                        • #13
                          This really isnt good for us at all, the new guy Petraeus..he visits kayani more than he sees obama

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                          An under-explored upside to Petraeus taking command in Afghanistan is the fact that he best personifies the need for Afghanistan strategy to fit into a regional strategy. Luckily, there’s Ernesto Londoño and Karin Brulliard to the rescue:
                          Petraeus’s appointment as the new commander in Afghanistan is likely to be viewed as the best-case scenario in Pakistan, where McChrystal had established a remarkable level of trust.

                          Although his duties officially ended at the Afghan border, McChrystal focused on building a strong rapport with Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani. Pakistani officials said that through monthly meetings and helicopter tours of areas where Pakistani troops were battling insurgents, McChrystal and Kiyani had developed a common understanding. McChrystal also played a key role in improving Kabul’s rocky relationship with Islamabad.

                          Yet Petraeus probably has as much, if not more, clout in Islamabad. He was an early proponent of a regional strategy that prioritized improving relations with Pakistan in hopes of persuading it to target the Afghan Taliban fighters who use Pakistani hideouts to plot attacks on coalition forces in Afghanistan.
                          I hope my friend Starbuck won’t mind if I crib from an email we exchanged this morning after he rightly criticized me for leaving out Pakistan from an earlier piece about what the next Afghanistan commander needs to address. There’s absolutely no doubt of the centrality of Pakistan here, and it’s frankly an enormous flaw with the Afghanistan war, no matter what strategy the U.S. adopts to prosecute (or, for that matter, abandon) the war. I credit the Obama administration with tying the war to its Pakistan strategy — and then broadening its Pakistan engagement beyond the war — but we’re still not seeing nearly the diplomatic intensity that’s necessary after recognizing such centrality. Ryan Crocker, who was the U.S. ambassador to Islamabad before his much-lauded arrival in Baghdad, argues that nothing would send a greater message to Islamabad of US steadfastness and address Pakistani material concerns more directly than lowering the U.S. tariff on Pakistani textile imports. The problem is that would create economic hardships in textile-producing states.


                          Then there’s the Taliban-negotiations aspect. Petraeus told the Senate last week that he’s skeptical the Karzai government will be able to pull off deliverable talks with the Taliban leadership any time soon, and he has good reasons for that assessment. (Don’t get it twisted: he explicitly endorsed those talks occurring.) But if part of what’s necessary to bring the Quetta Shura into talks is pressure from the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment, it certainly doesn’t hurt that effort to have the U.S. leadership of the Afghanistan war come from a man whom that establishment trusts to factor in their interests — and, perhaps, act as an interlocutor of those interests to an Afghan government that has at best an uneasy relationship with Pakistan.

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