Horrible graphic aftermatch of bomb planted in Baghdad by Iranian/Western agents.

[al-arab]

prove your statement that iranians are killing shias in Iraq, can you prove that? obviously no. because you fat ass wahabhis are known to lie and deceive all the time. Go worship your saudi king you stupid moron

You must be a idiot. Ask AN IRAQI. Ask an expert. Read about Iranian involvement in Iraq. Make a quick google search.

You are just so STUPID and IGNORANT on Iraq and the Arab world that further discussion with you is a FASTE OF TIME.

EVER HEARD ABOUT THE MAHDI ARMY? They had 200.000 members at one point. More than Al-Qaeda in Iraq ever was NEAR. They had 10.000 members at the HIGHEST.

The Mahdi army and it's leader Al-Sadr ARE WELL KNOWN IRANIAN AGENTS.

EVEN IRAQI SHI'AH ARABS WOULD TELL YOU THIS.


Concentrace on your Karachi slums Paki/Indian. Fool.

And I am not fat, unlike you I posted a picture of myself for everyone to see.

Ignorant.

[faye]

from what i can gather so far, in my readings, the persians were great contributors to the golden age of islam so it is terrible that there is now so much animosity between iraq and iran.

[al-arab]

from what i can gather so far, in my readings, the persians were gret contributorss to the golden age of islam so it is terrible that there is now so much animosity between iraq and iran.

They were indeed. Nobody doubts that. It's just well a combination of what I wrote to you.

I have nothing against the regular Iranian. I just don't like their government's attempts to mendle in the Iraqi politics/Iraq since they have no business doing that. Iraqis are not Iranians. They do not share the same culture or langauge. 80 percent of Iraqis are Arabs and tribal. Iranians are not. One is Semetic the other is Indo-Iranian. They look differently as well. The only common thing is the religion, some cultural exchange, some similar dishes etc. But that's about it.

There is even a natural border between IRaq and Iran (Zagros mountains) and that have been the case always.

Iranian cultural influence is much bigger in Afghanistan, Tadjikistan, Bahrain etc. because most people are Indo-Iranians there as the Iranians are. Their language is even nearly the same.

At least Iraq's Arab neighbours (although they aren ot perfect either) have MUCH, MUCH more reason to mendle in Iraq due to tribal relations and because they are basically the same people just under a different name.

Faye, if you read about the Arab world and the Middle East you would know that the borders of Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. have changed so many times. Both countries are only 80-90 years old in their CURRENT state. The history on their land is ancient but border exchanges have taken place so many times.

But well in general no country should mendle in other countries no matter how close they are or if they are even neighbours.

But that's sadly not how the reality is.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Stupid Pakistani. Concentrate on commenting on Pakistan and Indian matters. You don't know anything about the Arab world, including Iraq. You don't even write or speak Arabic. You have never been to Iraq. You claim you lived in Riyadh 15 years ago a few years. And how old are you now? Yeah you lived there as a kid and you claim your father lives in UAE a country where 80 percent of the population are non-Arabs.

ANd what are you talking about? Their own? Since when have Iraqi Arabs become Iranians?

Iraqis and Iranians hate each other no matter sect. Every idiot knows this. Arabs and Iranis have hated each other since they became groups. It's not more than 24 years ago that Iraq and Iraq fought a 10 year long war that killed 5 million people.

Also Al-Shula is a mixed area fool like most of Northern Iraq.

Have I been clear enough? If not read my replies to Faye.

Don't write to me since I have wasted enough time with your stupidty.

Saudi Pig ......it is you who should concentrate on Saudi matters, you're on a Pashtun site ....Karachi is closer to us than you are.

Some of Iraq's leaders like AL-SISTANI are of Iranian origin, so your claim is just an idiotic narrative fabricated to push ethnic hatred and rivalry in the mIddle east as this is Saudi state policy for their political agenda.

[al-arab]

Saudi Pig ......it is you who should concentrate on Saudi matters, you're on a Pashtun site ....Karachi is closer to us than you are.

Some of Iraq's leaders like AL-SISTANI are of Iranian origin, so your claim is just an idiotic narrative fabricated to push ethnic hatred and rivalry in the mIddle east as this is Saudi state policy for their political agenda.

Al-Sistani is a Iranian government agent that is well-known. But he is not IRANIAN since he is a Sayyid. You should now this. Sayyid's are per definition Arabs. And we are talking about those real ones who mostly came from Iraq and moved to Iran, India. Not all those Hindus/Pakis who claim being that.

Al-Khomeni's family came from Iraq 200 years ago to Iran and later moved to Northern Indian and back again.

The IRANIANS are calling their own Mullah's for Arab n"""""'s. Ask an Iranian what they think about the Mullah's and if they regard them as Iranian.



That picture is taken in Najaf of a Al-Sistani/Al-Sadr fanatic.

[al-arab]

Apart from that Al-Sistani is not a leader of anything other than a Grand Ayatollah who lives in Najaf.

He is a sayyid and his family came to Iran from Iraq. He is not Iranian. Only a Iranian national but his family is Arab (sayyid) like all Sadah.

But you are completely right that he is an Iranian puppet/agent.

Thank you for proving my point.

Shadowgovernor:

Don't apologize brother, I know the agenda of some members here. I have been very honest in this thread if people actually care to read what I wrote and to sum it up it was hardly much positive of the current state of the Arab world.

But of course it is always easier to call someone a wahhabiyya when you have no arguments. At least we all know that this Karachi is a Paki/Hindu who hates Arabs and don't know anything about Islam, Islamic history or the Arab world. Let him focus on India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. He does not even speak Arabic or write it.

It is also funny that this can continue to happen when I have litterary posted HUNDRED of posts that have condemned wahhabiyya sect and the Al-Saud.

It's just a pathetic attempt to change the subject. It's like when some Pasthtun's here accuse each other of being Pakistanis/Hindus when they don't agree.

At least I am very young compared to Scimitar and Karachi and I don't hide when I use swear words to highlight a point to racists/ignorant people like Karachi is a prime example of.

Let him bark about India and Pakistan. He does not see me talking about them.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Al-Sistani is a Iranian government agent that is well-known. But he is not IRANIAN since he is a Sayyid. You should now this. Sayyid's are per definition Arabs. And we are talking about those real ones who mostly came from Iraq and moved to Iran, India. Not all those Hindus/Pakis who claim being that.

Al-Khomeni's family came from Iraq 200 years ago to Iran and later moved to Northern Indian and back again.

The IRANIANS are calling their own Mullah's for Arab n"""""'s. Ask an Iranian what they think about the Mullah's and if they regard them as Iranian.



That picture is taken in Najaf of a Al-Sistani/Al-Sadr fanatic.

So you just contradicted yourself, because if Al-Sistani is a Mullah is Arab (which is ridiculous to say because he may have 1% Arab blood from all the mixing with Iranians). Then Since the Iranian government is run by Mullahs, then Iranian government is Arab since most of the major leaders like Sayyid 'Ali Khamanei are ALSO Sayyid.

you are really a deluded moron; By stating this you just proved yourself wrong because since many of the Leaders and Mullahs are Sayyids or Arab origins in Iran, it means Iraqis wouldnt hate them

and that's evident since Iranian Mullahs have their pictures all over Iraq

please shut yup before you look like even even bigger idiot.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Al arab
brother dont take these two people's abuses serious,they are both shiat iran supporter.
they dont speak on our behalf and no Pashutn respects such lowlifes such as these.
if it were up to me i would have banned them but unfortunately our admins here have a different idea.

A Punjabi like you has no say on who speaks on behalf of Pashtuns; typical Punjabi begging Saudis for pity .....go play fetch like a good doggy

[al-arab]

So you just contradicted yourself, because if Al-Sistani is a Mullah is Arab (which is ridiculous to say because he may have 1% Arab blood from all the mixing with Iranians). Then Since the Iranian government is run by Mullahs, then Iranian government is Arab since most of the major leaders like Sayyid 'Ali Khamanei are ALSO Sayyid.

you are really a deluded moron; By stating this you just proved yourself wrong because since many of the Leaders and Mullahs are Sayyids or Arab origins in Iran, it means Iraqis wouldnt hate them

and that's evident since Iranian Mullahs have their pictures all over Iraq

please shut yup before you look like even even bigger idiot.

You are the idiot here. Sadah normally don't mix with local Iranians. They are Arabs per definition your moron. They are from the Banu Hashim. Is that so hard to understand?

Khomeneis and Al-Sistanis families came from IRAQ to Iran 200 years ago. They don't even look like Iranians.

And it's only Al-Sistani's picture that is displayed in SOME Shi'ah Arab areas in Iraq. He is respected because he is a sayiid and a Grand Ayatollah. Not because he is born in Iran.

You are more stupid than I first thought.

Iranians DON'T regard them as Iranians but Arabs which they also are since they are sadah. And all Sadah are Arabs per definition. Especially when they have married to other sadah mostly and Arabs and only came to Iran 200 years ago.

Anyway keep believing that they are LOCAL IRANIANS. They are born in Iran yes, but they are not of IRANIAN ORIGIN.

If that's your logic stop calling yourself a Pashtun or a Yemeni when you are born in America.

[al-arab]

Khomeini is hated among Iraqi Shi'ah Arabs because he brainwashed millions of Iranians and promised them the key to jannah if they killed themselves/blow their selfs up. He was the fault for thousands of death Iraqis. Nobody likes him.

Try ask an Iraqi from Shi'ah stronghold as Najaf or Karbala if he is liked by the majority. Only 10 percent like him or less and those are fanatics.

Still does not change the fact that Iraqis and Iranians NO MATTER sect, don't like each other. Read forums, ask Iraqis and Iranis, see comments on youtube, read about the history, enemity, rivalry, wars etc.

This is getting pathetic. Open a book.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Al arab brother.
they use Wahabi as code for Sunni.
they cant say Sunni or ahle Sunnah(90% of muslims) they say wahabi.

this is the comon tactic these people use.
they say wahabi but they mean Sunni.

This is completely false propaganda invented by Saudi Wahhabists to falsely legitimize themselves as Sunnis and confuse people; ALL Sunni Scholars are in agreement that Wahhabis are a different sect than Sunnis; you are a Wahhabi...and NOT a Sunni. They're actually Neo-Khawarij. It is actually Wahhabis like yourself who try to hide yourselves as Sunnis. In actuality

Shadowgovernor your sect is TOTALLY different from Sunnis

Sunni Scholar, Shayikh Faraz Rabbani explains this

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=124&CATE=24

Question:
I have seen many shaykhs speak bad about the Salafis or Wahhabis. But for unity of Muslims isn't what [a scholar on the Internet] says better?

His reply to the question, 'Is wahabi or salafi aqeedah the same with the Sunnis?' was, 'There is no difference in Aqeedah between the Salafis and Sunnis, the difference is on Taqleed. According to Sunnis, Taqleed is necessary'


Answer:

Walaikum assalam,

Absolutely not. The main difference between Wahhabis and those on the Sunni path is in matters of belief. This is the primary difference. Matters of fiqh are secondary. There is also a fundamental difference in methodological understandings, especially of the concept of innovation (bid`a) and traditional religious authority. The Wahhabis deny traditional Islamic spirituality as well. The articles on Sidi Mas'ud Khan' excellent website, http://www.masud.co.uk , are essential reading for serious Muslims, especially those by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad and Shaykh Nuh.

Wassalam,

Faraz Rabbani.

So there is no code for Sunnis; because Wahhabis are not Sunnis at all.

[al-arab]

Why is brother Shadowgovernor now an Wahhabiyya also? Is it because he does not agree with a Mu'tazila like you? Are Mu'tazila not a well-known sect in Islam that was founded in Basra 1000-1100 years ago?

You guys are basically saying that the Noble Qur'an was not created by Almighty Allah (swt)

Care to explain why you label normal Sunni's and call them different sects when you belong to a sect yourself? Is that not quite ironic?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You are the idiot here. Sadah normally don't mix with local Iranians. They are Arabs per definition your moron. They are from the Banu Hashim. Is that so hard to understand?

Khomeneis and Al-Sistanis families came from IRAQ to Iran 200 years ago. They don't even look like Iranians.

And it's only Al-Sistani's picture that is displayed in SOME Shi'ah Arab areas in Iraq. He is respected because he is a sayiid and a Grand Ayatollah. Not because he is born in Iran.

You are more stupid than I first thought.

Iranians DON'T regard them as Iranians but Arabs which they also are since they are sadah. And all Sadah are Arabs per definition. Especially when they have married to other sadah mostly and Arabs and only came to Iran 200 years ago.

Anyway keep believing that they are LOCAL IRANIANS. They are born in Iran yes, but they are not of IRANIAN ORIGIN.

If that's your logic stop calling yourself a Pashtun or a Yemeni when you are born in America.

what are you talking about you moron...Sada'ah do mix, Imam Zayn al 'Abidin's mother was SHAHRBANO, who was persian, now imagine that happening over and over again over generations and generations in Iran, they'll only be a very small percentage Arab.

Only Wahhabi Saudis hate Khomeini Iraqi Shi'a loved Khomeini and saw that Iranians were trying to liberate them from Saddam.


Khomeini's house still stands in Najaf; and they have pictures of Khomeini and Khamanei both on their walls









Doesn't look like they hate Khomeini to me, looks like they're celebrating them.

You are the biggest fraud artist on this forum Saudi liar

[al-arab]

Anyway there will come nothing good of this discussion. The attack was horrible and so is politics when a proxy-war is taking place.

It strange that you call everyone that disagrees with you as a wahhabiyya. Despite knowing that you belong to an sect I never called you an Muta'zila when I could have labelled you as an member of a sect that has a few thousand members at most.

In my eyes Wahhabiyya and Muta'zilas like you are the same. Sects. Very simple.

[Master Khan]

its just the west trying to get shia and sunni to get into a fight and finish each other off.