Horrible graphic aftermatch of bomb planted in Baghdad by Iranian/Western agents.

[al-arab]

Horrible graphic aftermatch of bomb planted in Northern Baghdad by Iranian/Western agents to start secterian war again.

They are doing the same in Syria and Nigeria.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=611_1340229427

[faye]

so the shia iranians are blowing themselves up in shia areas?

[al-arab]

It's Iranian agents/Western agents who are planting bombs in Shi'ah and Sunni areas around Iraq to start a civil war that will benefit them. Al-Shula is a mixed neighbourhood as many neighbourhoods in Baghdad (the second most populous city in the Arab world after Cairo)

The description of the video is obviously wrong.

There is a proxy war in the Middle East and the victims are innocent civilians. This must be stoped all over the world.

[faye]

how would iran benefit from iraq having a civil war when the shia are already in power there?. would they not want the country stabilised?

[al-arab]

how would iran benefit from iraq having a civil war when the shia are already in power there?. would they not want the country stabilised?

They are not really in power Faye. Iraq politically is a mess. Right now they want to remove Al-Maliki. The biggest party is the Al-Iraqiyya blog which is mainly Sunni. Tiny Iraqi Kurdistan have their own government and don't have good relations with the Al-Maliki regime. The 4 Sunni majority Arab provinces (The biggest and richest of Iraq and are part of 60 percent of all Iraqi territory) There are no investments there. It's litteraly tribes who rule from their mudhif. Imagine that there is no big single hotel in whole Al-Anbar? No investmens. The government has not power. So federal state is only the future and more fighting because of ressources. The Iraqi Shi'ah Arabs only live in Souteastern Iraq which is a small area but very pupolous and parts of Baghdad. They are not interested in only living on 20 percent of Iraq's area.

Al-Maliki is indeed more a Iranian puppet than Arab "puppet" which is strange since he is from the Al-Ali tribe one of the biggest in the Arab world and the rulers from UAE, Oman etc. are from the same tribe. But the Iranians know that even Iraqi Shi'ah Arabs do not like Iranians and their only hope now is Al-Sadr who is a fully puppet although he claims that he is against Al-Maliki. Iraq is a big mess and Iraqis are known for their brutality in the Arab world. It will be a federal state very soon anyway.

But the Iranians are very much interest in Iraq. Everyone knows this with a little knowledge. Ask an ordinary Iraqi or Arab and he will tell the same to you.

You need to understand that in Iraq before 2003 it was normal to marry with Shi'ah and Sunni so MOST Iraqi's come from mixed religious backgrounds. Since 2003 it is more difficult and nearly non-existent.

Also most marriages in the Arab world, especially in Iraq is between second and third couisins.

And of course most are interested in a weak Iraq since Iraq has the most natural ressources and wealth of all Middle Eastern countries.

The rulers don't even care about their own people (Arabs), citizens etc. so why would they be interested in a strong Iraq that could threaten them?

That's why I am a strong supporter of a united Arab world and Ummah. That's the only thing that will improve people's live. Just as it once was.

Anyway I am tired of political nonsense that happens in the Arab world and in the Ummah. I am afraid that we need a new generation in order to be successful the more I think about the situation.

First step is to remove the corrupt rulers. What follow after only Almighty Allah (swt) know. We can only pray for better times and unity.

I don't want my children to grow up in the same Arab world as I and my parents did.

If I could I would have changed place with my great-great-grandfather in this very second when Arabia was united, peaceful and in harmony and were tradition came from the heart and not something superficial.

[faye]

the other bombing mentioned that was at karbala mosque, was said to be by a female jihadi.
so basically you are blaming, solely outside agents for these events?

i will have to keep my mind open about that.
i would imagine there are iraqis who are pretty angry and capable of such things.

[Karachi]

what is your proof that iranian shias are doing this? why would they kill their own people? it is very well known who hates who and who commits the most violence, stop being deceptive as usual

[al-arab]

the other bombing mentioned that was at karbala mosque, was said to be by a female jihadi.
so basically you are blaming, solely outside agents for these events?

i will have to keep my mind open about that.
i would imagine there are iraqis who are pretty angry and capable of such things.

Well of course it is not solely agents. But in that case it was since it was first claimed it was a suicide bomber but no body was found so later they made it to an improvized bomb (or what you call bombs that are set to explode on a given time).

As said earlier it's a big mess and a proxy war is thought with national, regional, tribal, secterianm, religious, political etc. basis.

Also it's very well known that foreign countries have ENCOURAGED and in some cases were behind the secterian attacks in order to weaken the stability of Iraq. the reasons fro that I gave you and there are several more.

I think you need to ask an export on the Arab world and current conflict. I am sure he will tell you similar things unless he is secterian/has an agenda himself.

But yeah, I also remember 3-4 Iraqi women who were suicide bombers in Jordan 5-7 years ago during a weeding. It's sad what war, poverty, hopelessness, brainwashing, secterianism, tribalism, regionalism, nationalism etc. can cause.

[al-arab]

what is your proof that iranian shias are doing this? why would they kill their own people? it is very well known who hates who and who commits the most violence, stop being deceptive as usual

Stupid Pakistani. Concentrate on commenting on Pakistan and Indian matters. You don't know anything about the Arab world, including Iraq. You don't even write or speak Arabic. You have never been to Iraq. You claim you lived in Riyadh 15 years ago a few years. And how old are you now? Yeah you lived there as a kid and you claim your father lives in UAE a country where 80 percent of the population are non-Arabs.

ANd what are you talking about? Their own? Since when have Iraqi Arabs become Iranians?

Iraqis and Iranians hate each other no matter sect. Every idiot knows this. Arabs and Iranis have hated each other since they became groups. It's not more than 24 years ago that Iraq and Iraq fought a 10 year long war that killed 5 million people.

Also Al-Shula is a mixed area fool like most of Northern Iraq.

Have I been clear enough? If not read my replies to Faye.

Don't write to me since I have wasted enough time with your stupidty.

[Karachi]

Stupid Pakistani. Concentrate on commenting on Pakistan and Indian matters. You don't know anything about the Arab world, including Iraq. You don't even write or speak Arabic. You have never been to Iraq. You claim you lived in Riyadh 15 years ago a few years. And how old are you now? Yeah you lived there as a kid and you claim your father lives in UAE a country where 80 percent of the population are non-Arabs.

ANd what are you talking about? Their own? Since when have Iraqi Arabs become Iranians?

Iraqis and Iranians hate each other no matter sect. Every idiot knows this. Arabs and Iranis have hated each other since they became groups.

Also Al-Shula is a mixed area fool.

Have I been clear enough? If not read my replies to Faye.

Don't write to me since I have wasted enough time with your stupidty.

prove your statments or the shut the _uck up you stupid wahabhi, you people are the biggest terrorist and hypocrites in the world. you worship your al saud family, atleast shias dont do that. I dont really care for shias because I know they are also very extremists, but they are 100 times better then you people, at least they have some dignity, you dont even have that

[faye]

it is sad al-arab. it is depressing to see the muslims fighting and hating each other so much and i am against the western invasions of muslim countries. it is not good if al qaeda has training camps in places like afghanistan though. that is inviting an invasion.
there can never be an ummah if the sunni and shia don't make peace with each other, for sure.

there are lots of different groupings within christianity and when i was young there was a lot of prejudice between the roman catholics and other christians. it is not in evidence these days, that i have noticed but once, they could not intermarry and fihting ;like in ireland, between protestants and catholics.

[al-arab]

prove your statments or the shut the _uck up you stupid wahabhi, you people are the biggest terrorist and hypocrites in the world. you worship your al saud family, atleast shias dont do that. I dont really care for shias because I know they are also very extremists, but they are 100 times better then you people, at least they have some dignity, you dont even have that

Prove what idiot?

My statements are COMMON known facts.

You don't speak Arabic or write Arabic. You have never been to Iraq or lived in Iraq. You only lived in Saudi Arabia 15 years ago as a kid for a few years. Your father lives in UAE were 80 percetn are non-Arabs.

Al-Shula is a mixed area as most of Northern Baghdad. Everyone that knows a little about Baghdad would tell you this.

Calling me a wahhabi will not help you. You can call me a Hindu or Paki for all I care since I am not either. I don't care about fools like you who scream of ignorance and stupidity say. I know your hatred towards us Arabs from day one. You don't see me posting stupidities, racist posts, propaganda about Indians and Pakistanis like you. I have been forced to write this to you in the hard way since you don't get anything else.

Go open a book, visit the countries you like to act like Einstein on, learn Arabic and about Islamic history. Your knowledge is ZERO.

You probably know the slums of Karachi better than the Holy Qur'an. I have seen many of your stupid questions here and unislamic claims.

And if I was a Wahhabi as you falsely claim I would not have spend HUNDREDS Of posts on this forum criticizing them, even in this thread.

So once again Paki/Hindu go educate yourself and stop spreading propaganda about Arabs.

[faye]

i think both of you are good people so it is a pity you are fighting.

[Karachi]

prove your statement that iranians are killing shias in Iraq, can you prove that? obviously no. because you fat ass wahabhis are known to lie and deceive all the time. Go worship your saudi king you stupid moron

[al-arab]

it is sad al-arab. it is depressing to see the muslims fighting and hating each other so much and i am against the western invasions of muslim countries. it is not good if al qaeda has training camps in places like afghanistan though. that is inviting an invasion.
there can never be an ummah if the sunni and shia don't make peace with each other, for sure.

there are lots of different groupings within christianity and when i was young there was a lot of prejudice between the roman catholics and other christians. it is not in evidence these days, that i have noticed but once, they could not intermarry and fihting ;like in ireland, between protestants and catholics.

It's hard to believe what is right. I don't trust any media. Al_Qaeda is also a difficult case. I am some cells are genuine but others have their own agenda and have been infiltrated.

Anyway Iraq is a huge mess due to it's recent history and the brutality of Iraqi's, EXTREME tribalism (only as bad in Yemen in the ARab world) and recent secterianism.

Iraq has been a center for Sunni, Shi'ah, sufism etc. teachings for hundreds of years. It was the homecountry of the Abbasdid Caliphates, the longest rulling Caliphs (600 years). It was the center of the Islamic Golden Age.

It has a very beautiful but sad history on the same time. In it¨'s current form I don't see it succeeding. I just don't.

Well, Saddam was the fault for much what happened afterwards. But who help him to power? Yes, the Americans sadly. It's a big mess like all Arab countries.

I mean all Arab "leaders" are only leaders today because the West/USA wants them to be so. Just look what happened in Iraq, Libya and what is happening in Syria (I support the uprising but I also know that there is a lot of policy behind).

What were all common things about the 3 countries at one point in history? They were against the West openly and opposed their influence unlike the Arab Kingdoms who are working with them openly. We saw the outcome of it. And we as Muslims may not agree with their political views etc. but it should be worthy a thought.

Personally I think it is scary. And for that reason and hundreds of others Arab countries in their current state will never be truly independent but ruled by proxies with different agendas.