Taliban Attack Kabul Hotel, Take Hostages

[faye]

like I said show me the facts

that shows other countries aside from Pakistan give lethal supplies to NATO

prove that the only one supplying fly in access for lethel wepons, is pakistan. you are the one making this repetitive claim.
are you trying to brainwash us? are you an american military agent who has definite inside information?

[Shah-i-Kot]

prove that the only one supplying fly in access for lethel wepons, is pakistan. you are the one making this repetitive claim.
are you trying to brainwash us? are you an american military agent who has definite inside information?

You prove your own claim.

[faye]

You prove your own claim.

you prove yours.
you are too late to get my assistance. you were informed by me, at least 4 times and ignored or refuted me.
now let us see proof of your claims to us, seeing as you are so adamently certain of this claim, tell us how you are so sure of what you say.

i am interested to understand why you keep trying to brainwash us with constant repitition of claims, but show no proof.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Admin wroruka, this is the tie of intellectual dishonesty I myself have lost all patience with; all of their arguments and hypotheses are pure excuses

whether it's UnknownPrince who repeats the same rehearsed narrative in hopes trying to create this illusion that the Taliban are somehow independent of Pakistan's influence and they're fighting against Pakistan. Look at how diligently he tries to convince us his portrayal of events is the actual one. As if we don't know how to read things for us ourselves.

When we have statements from the Taliban, from Kayani himself , from NATO intelligence, from Afghan Intelligence, that the Taliban are manipulated by numerous foreign players all trying to impose their will.

Or Shamlawar's persistent attempt of pretending like his statements are undeniable facts even when you show recent videos which show the contrary

Their entire goal is to push their narrative; that's their purpose of being here.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Admin wroruka, this is the tie of intellectual dishonesty I myself have lost all patience with; all of their arguments and hypotheses are pure excuses

whether it's UnknownPrince who repeats the same rehearsed narrative in hopes trying to create this illusion that the Taliban are somehow independent of Pakistan's influence and they're fighting against Pakistan. Look at how diligently he tries to convince us his portrayal of events is the actual one. As if we don't know how to read things for us ourselves.

When we have statements from the Taliban, from Kayani himself , from NATO intelligence, from Afghan Intelligence, that the Taliban are manipulated by numerous foreign players all trying to impose their will.

Or Shamlawar's persistent attempt of pretending like his statements are undeniable facts even when you show recent videos which show the contrary

Their entire goal is to push their narrative; that's their purpose of being here.

Depends what you mean by Taliban. I still would need to see the evidence that H Mehsud or any of the other leaders like Baitullah are truly marching to the Soldatian script of having chai with Kiyani and then going and willingly getting drone attacked.

Thats the issue with discussing this with you... you turn it into an emotional blanket Islamic decree about the Taliban and their tactics as opposed to discussing who and what they are. They themslves are not one monolithic entity.

Are we talking about Jalaluddin? Hakimullah? Quetta Shura? Nek Muhammad?

The Lahore raids by the Pakistani Taliban and the attacks on the Pearl dont really support what you are saying but rather create acomplex situation where the following is occuring:

1) Afghan Taliban admit on Frontline News special that Pakistan has certain pressures on them and that to retain their backward operating base they are helpless against their host. It appears this irked some Taliban like that Mullah Baradar fellow.

2) Pakistani Taliban are generally comprised of the Wazir, Mehsud, Bajaur tribes with some contribution from mainland KP. They have little qualm about attacking Pakistani interests. The pakistanis are taught to be paranoid about them and many of them have directly told me that they refuse to believe Pashtuns from FATA are committing these acts in Pakistan but say that Hindus are dressed up as Pashtuns (absurd I know).

Admin's point doing the years is that Pakistan labels the Taliban that attack in Afghanistan as "good" and the Taliban that attack in main Pakistan as "bad Taliban." He is pointing out that this is a blatant hypocrasy on the part of the Pak military establishment.

It appears Mullah Zaeef in his text says much the same. He went off on a Pakistani consulate right before the 2001 invasion about why Afghanistan and not Pakistan had to be the war zone.

So Lynx may lionize and ideolize them one way, but you are also disenfranchesizing the discussion inthe polar opposite direction in the way that Amrullah Saleh would (i.e. any discussion of the Taliban is one that must point out that they are all evil satan incarnate).

If the Pakistani Taliban are attacking Pakistani interests and if the brain in KP is to view them as "deshtnagaar" then one branch of the movement is actually hitting Paki interests.

If your retort is the Soldatian: Nooo, you dont get it its all planned... the Pakis melt away and a news report is generated while some movie screen actors go to town on an empty base.... then Im sorry but the discussion is fruitless!

[Shah-i-Kot]

This is what you would like to believe, but the reality whether you like it or not is far from what you just said. Way far. I just read a while ago that they are now discussing long-term security arrangement.

The exact same I can say about what you want to believe about a flimsy security agreement.


With me, I actually have facts, not the pledges of a weak, frustrated, and retreating NATO, more than a flimsy piece of paper that Karzai signed.

Where do you want to start?

http://registan.net/index.php/2012/06/11/how-eurasian-supply-routes-wont-save-afghanistan-or-pakistan/

[Shah-i-Kot]

Depends what you mean by Taliban. I still would need to see the evidence that H Mehsud or any of the other leaders like Baitullah are truly marching to the Soldatian script of having chai with Kiyani and then going and willingly getting drone attacked.

Thats the issue with discussing this with you... you turn it into an emotional blanket Islamic decree about the Taliban and their tactics as opposed to discussing who and what they are. They themslves are not one monolithic entity.

Are we talking about Jalaluddin? Hakimullah? Quetta Shura? Nek Muhammad?

The Lahore raids by the Pakistani Taliban and the attacks on the Pearl dont really support what you are saying but rather create acomplex situation where the following is occuring:

1) Afghan Taliban admit on Frontline News special that Pakistan has certain pressures on them and that to retain their backward operating base they are helpless against their host. It appears this irked some Taliban like that Mullah Baradar fellow.

2) Pakistani Taliban are generally comprised of the Wazir, Mehsud, Bajaur tribes with some contribution from mainland KP. They have little qualm about attacking Pakistani interests. The pakistanis are taught to be paranoid about them and many of them have directly told me that they refuse to believe Pashtuns from FATA are committing these acts in Pakistan but say that Hindus are dressed up as Pashtuns (absurd I know).

Admin's point doing the years is that Pakistan labels the Taliban that attack in Afghanistan as "good" and the Taliban that attack in main Pakistan as "bad Taliban." He is pointing out that this is a blatant hypocrasy on the part of the Pak military establishment.

It appears Mullah Zaeef in his text says much the same. He went off on a Pakistani consulate right before the 2001 invasion about why Afghanistan and not Pakistan had to be the war zone.

So Lynx may lionize and ideolize them one way, but you are also disenfranchesizing the discussion inthe polar opposite direction in the way that Amrullah Saleh would (i.e. any discussion of the Taliban is one that must point out that they are all evil satan incarnate).

If the Pakistani Taliban are attacking Pakistani interests and if the brain in KP is to view them as "deshtnagaar" then one branch of the movement is actually hitting Paki interests.

If your retort is the Soldatian: Nooo, you dont get it its all planned... the Pakis melt away and a news report is generated while some movie screen actors go to town on an empty base.... then Im sorry but the discussion is fruitless!

LOL he can not reply.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Oh I can reply and have replied; Barakzai is just repeating the same horse garble he said already.


what you want me to reply to it twice? geez.

It's long known that all Taliban groups made Baya'ah under Mullah omar and are united under that leadership; All these little skirmishes in Pakistan and what not is not really much of a argument since Pakistan sends local Pashtuns to get slaughtered, Punjab stays in tact. We know the scheme. There's really no actual damage to Pakistan's interests, just gulible Pashtuns used as cannon fodder.

http://www.channel4.com/news/afghan-and-pakistani-taliban-unite-against-us

Sunday 01 January 2012
Days after reports of tentative negotiations between the US and the Taliban, Channel 4 News learns of a probable deal between the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban to fight under one banner, for one aim.

The Afghan and Pakistani Taliban have formed a five-member council and pledged to stop fighting their own armed forces, in order to concentrate their fight against US-led forces in Afghanistan.

After weeks of hectic efforts, a high-level delegation of the Afghan Taliban - sent by the Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar - finally succeeded in bringing together different Pakistani militant groups under a single platform.

no need to respond to donkey whimpering when the evidence has been known for more than six months now. ....awww poor Unknownprince, you actually thought Barakzai had an solid argument did you? poor baby