Taliban Attack Kabul Hotel, Take Hostages

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Excuse me, but where did I ever discuss crimes in the first place?

Do you hold every press release that NATO/Karzai regime make to be true. Might is right?

So talking about Pashtun bloodshed is insignificant?

so how come NATO/Karzai are only true when it seems to work in favor of the Taliban?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Again, no outcry when Pashtun villages are carpet bombed. There only seems to be outcry on this and this none of the facts are even clear here anyways.

where is your outcry when Pashtuns are being killed in explosions outside of markets?

It seems you only care about Pashtun deaths when NATO does it, but call it "resistance" when the Taliban do it

[Shah-i-Kot]

Where do you begin? Clearly, the US does not want to leave, because of it's strategic interests. China on one side, the Banana republic on the other side, regional power Iran on the other side, rising superpower(India) a few miles away to the right. I'm starting to think the US has a non-negotiated position vis-a-vis them leaving Afghanistan. I'm starting to think, the ideal US goal is turn Afghanistan into a South Korea, or Japan with respect to military bases.


I mean, think about it. We don't have not a single Afghan leader that can demand Afghan national interests.

US/NATO is defeated and on their way out. Its hopeless situation from that perspective only. All that is said is this, crediting defeat to the very nation that supplied NATO/Karzai regime lethal supplies. What a ridiculous irony?

Stop keeping poisonous snakes in backyard, US tells Pakistan

http://canindia.com/2012/06/stop-keeping-poisonous-snakes-in-backyard-us-tells-pakistan/

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

That's true. If it turns out this was something beyond an attack on civilians, my post will be nullified. Knowing Afghans, I happen to know that Fridays are their "hanging-out days", and I also know that Qargha is the Kabul equivalent of Kandahar's Arghandab picnic. So civilians do indeed go out there to enjoy their day off, that much I can verify -- the rest is up for grabs.

Another reason, which also holds weight, is prostitution. Perhaps this hotel was infested with prostitutes, and the Taliban had enough.

I dont want to speculate about this incident since I am not in Kabul and I have no first hand knowledge of this incident. Neither do I know anyone from that particular area who can give me reliable information.

But this is what I do know:

Expensive restaurants in Qargha and Shar-e-Naw are only available for exclusive clientele. As a matter of fact, only Afghans with a foreign passport can visit certain night clubs in Kabul. Those who do not have a American, Dutch or British passport cannot enter those places.

[Admin Khan]

US/NATO is defeated and on their way out.

This is what you would like to believe, but the reality whether you like it or not is far from what you just said. Way far. I just read a while ago that they are now discussing long-term security arrangement.

[faye]

Additionally, ISAF and the Afghan emigre elite + NDS are controlling information flow at this juncture. One must recall that years ago when that pair of African embassies was targeted in the 1990s an attempt was made by the elites and Intelligence folks to spin it as a senseless attack on civilians. Turns out years later that the US intelligence community admits that those two embassies were essential to their monitoring and control of African governments and that agents admittedly were stationed there. The truth about Spozhmai will reveal itself in a decade.

if thiskind of reasoning is a justifiable excuse for this attack, then the excuse of osama and al qaeda camps for attacks against america etc, living and being conducted in afghanistan, then has to an acceptable excuse for the invasion of afghanistan.

[Admin Khan]

This attack reminds me of what the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan, just replace the "where are the prostitutes?!?!" with "Where is the WMD, and Osama/terrorists"?

[IamDZJ]

Yeah and how careful where they when 17 hostages ended up dying anyways??

[Shah-i-Kot]

This is what you would like to believe, but the reality whether you like it or not is far from what you just said. Way far. I just read a while ago that they are now discussing long-term security arrangement.

Maybe how one views things is reflective of their preference, and one tries to avoid this as much as possible. I assume maybe you try to?

This is actually what you perhaps believe. I dont do wishful thinking, just look at the facts and the trends.

Pakistan is the only nation that allows lethal supplies (currently via the air supply routes). Secondly, the Afghan insurgency already controls the majority of the country, and Pakistan is increasingly on the path of non-cooperation ( due primarily to the fact that the nations stands on the verge of collapsing due to support for the NATO war and a growing Pashtun backlash), and this will even be more true when Imran takes power (so-called ISI stooge who just a few days ago called the Pakistan army a mercenary army.)

These are the reasons why they are packing and on their way out in probably one of the most disgraceful exits in modern history.

[Shah-i-Kot]

This is what you would like to believe, but the reality whether you like it or not is far from what you just said. Way far. I just read a while ago that they are now discussing long-term security arrangement.

All security agreements with Karzai are laughable to say the least.

[faye]

lol, lynx, you still have not proven this obsessive rant about pakistan being the only way in for lethal supplies.
there are supposedly about 450 varying sizes of bases throughout afghanistan, some being closed down, some being built up.
if the taliban keep attacking hotels etc. it is a fine excuse for your american government to give, for keeping foreign troops there.
i doubt that they are leaving, ever. their prediction is that there will be a civil war if or when they leave.

[Shah-i-Kot]

lol, lynx, you still have not proven this obsessive rant about pakistan being the only way in for lethal supplies.
there are supposedly about 450 varying sizes of bases throughout afghanistan, some being closed down, some being built up.
if the taliban keep attacking hotels etc. it is a fine excuse for your american government to give, for keeping foreign troops there.
i doubt that they are leaving, ever. their prediction is that there will be a civil war if or when they leave.

Fact
Pakistan is the only country that supplies lethal supplies, right now through the airspace. I think the increased cries over the ground supplies is a tactic to preempt the closure of airspace which will happen when Imran takes power. Kind of made it too obvious you know.

[faye]

a fact is not a fact, just because you state it is a fact. and that is a fact

your positive affirmations are just not cutting it, lynx.

[Shah-i-Kot]

a fact is not a fact, just because you state it is a fact. and that is a fact

your positive affirmations are just not cutting it, lynx.

Im going by what is factually available. Northern Distribution Network does not give lethal supplies.

Pakistan does or shall we say did in regards to the ground supplies.

Now, unless you have proof to prove otherwise instead of merely posing questions, then why dont you go ahead and show it.

The Northern Distribtion Network is highly costly, and thats for the non-lethal supplies. In fact, Uzbekistan is even worried about NATO withdrawing (reverse transit) its military equipment out of Afghanistan via Uzbekistan because the guy thinks that Islamic militants can get their hands on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/world/asia/pakistan-supply-detour-costs-100-million-a-month.html

[faye]

i told you ages ago, that there are reports of flights in from a persian gulf base but you chose to ignore me. so you can now go and find the articles yourself because i am not going to waste my time, because of your ignorance.