Taliban Attack Kabul Hotel, Take Hostages

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And that clearly didn't wipe off the root cause, if the problem is partying, why attack a hotel when brothels are widely available? The Taliban here is doing something beyond attacking a hotel, it's so to speak, their way of flexing their muscles to show they are legitimate resistance and won't let things go their way.

My problem, and the underlying reason behind my post was civilians. It's civilians who suffer at the wrath of insurgents, or ANSF.

Yeah I agree. I think Khushal sort of summed up my theoretical sentiments on the why and what.

[Admin Khan]

hence the saying "no justice, no peace" right. All this attack does is tell the afghan nation that there is something wrong in the nation, address it please.

Where do you begin? Clearly, the US does not want to leave, because of it's strategic interests. China on one side, the Banana republic on the other side, regional power Iran on the other side, rising superpower(India) a few miles away to the right. I'm starting to think the US has a non-negotiated position vis-a-vis them leaving Afghanistan. I'm starting to think, the ideal US goal is turn Afghanistan into a South Korea, or Japan with respect to military bases.


I mean, think about it. We don't have not a single Afghan leader that can demand Afghan national interests.

[Shah-i-Kot]

way to win those hearts n minds.

Thousands upon thousands of Pashtuns are dying due to airstrikes, night raids, and drone attacks.

Does not look like the Karzai regime/NATO care about hearts and minds.

[Shah-i-Kot]

The fact of the matter is when airstrikes/drone attacks/night raids kill thousands upon thousands of Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand, it seems that that becomes acceptable news of the day. There did not appear to be an outcry on the Kabul streets or in other parts of the North when that happen (Panjwai terrorist massacre). Talk about supposed unity, but for Pashtuns, there does not seem to be much concern by non-pashtuns in Afghanistan who on the whole are either supportive or indifferent to the NATO war/Karzai regime. This is not to say that non-Pasthuns are not sympathetic to Pashtuns, obviously there is. I would compare it to Pakistan where Punjabis/Sindhis can mostly go through their day despite the fact that drone attacks and Pakistan Army are killing Pashtuns.

Being politically correct serves no purpose when there is no movement for unity in the first place. Pashtuns are surrounded by enemies from all sides to various degrees, and from my perspective are in a sort of balancing act.

However, when something happens within Kabul, a predominantly non-Pashtun area, all cries are made and tears seemed to be shed. There is a media outrage, but the same does not exist to the thousands of Pashtun deaths due to airstrikes. The media seriously has lost a lot of its credibility.

It seems that the blood of Pashtuns means nothing at all, or has become the acceptable cost of those who support the NATO war.

Secondly, the criticism of Pakistan seems to only be centered around the premise that Pakistan supports the Taliban. No where is there criticism about Pakistan support for the NATO war, a support with critical ground and air supply routes that makes the NATO war/Karzai regime possible in the first place. Even now, the Pakistan air supply routes are open, being the only way lethal supplies come to NATO and the Northern Alliance pimps/ pimp Karzai. When Imran takes power, and this airspace is closed (so-called evil designs of the ISI stooge), then people will realize how Pakistan support for the NATO war allowed it to carry on.


Pakistan is responsible for Pashtun bloodshed because of their support for the NATO war.

[randolph85]

Most people cannot afford to spend nights in fancy hotels and restaurants in Qargha.

SO when they hear that the people who have been exploiting them for the past 10 years are being targeted, obviously they will cheer and be happy.

the day you die, there will be celebrations, not for this though.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

"Our mujahideen [holy warriors] last night attacked this hotel because high-profile people from embassies, ISAF and the Kabul administration gather here every Thursday for wild parties, drinking and prostitution," Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban, told AFP news agency.

A close friend of my cousin survived this attack.

And it´s horrible to see these apes lying about who was present there.
As if three guards are manning the gate if governmental officials or ISAF people have "wild parties" there.

Disgusting and honourless attack!

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2...821763757.html

Whenever Taliban attack civilians, especially women they always attempt justifying it by inventing some accusation of corruption or immorality .....which they never show proof for in the first place.


This is what Taliban did when they murdered two women in a car in Ghazni and video taped it.

[randolph85]

Thousands upon thousands of Pashtuns are dying due to airstrikes, night raids, and drone attacks.

Does not look like the Karzai regime/NATO care about hearts and minds.

way to divert the topic. why do you justify taliban crimes just because karzai and nato are trash?

its like the nazis vs the british. both sides were absolute ****.

[randolph85]

The fact of the matter is when airstrikes/drone attacks/night raids kill thousands upon thousands of Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand, it seems that that becomes acceptable news of the day. There did not appear to be an outcry on the Kabul streets or in other parts of the North when that happen (Panjwai terrorist massacre). Talk about supposed unity, but for Pashtuns, there does not seem to be much concern by non-pashtuns in Afghanistan who on the whole are either supportive or indifferent to the NATO war/Karzai regime. This is not to say that non-Pasthuns are not sympathetic to Pashtuns, obviously there is. I would compare it to Pakistan where Punjabis/Sindhis can mostly go through their day despite the fact that drone attacks and Pakistan Army are killing Pashtuns.

Being politically correct serves no purpose when there is no movement for unity in the first place. Pashtuns are surrounded by enemies from all sides to various degrees, and from my perspective are in a sort of balancing act.

However, when something happens within Kabul, a predominantly non-Pashtun area, all cries are made and tears seemed to be shed. There is a media outrage, but the same does not exist to the thousands of Pashtun deaths due to airstrikes. The media seriously has lost a lot of its credibility.

It seems that the blood of Pashtuns means nothing at all, or has become the acceptable cost of those who support the NATO war.

Secondly, the criticism of Pakistan seems to only be centered around the premise that Pakistan supports the Taliban. No where is there criticism about Pakistan support for the NATO war, a support with critical ground and air supply routes that makes the NATO war/Karzai regime possible in the first place. Even now, the Pakistan air supply routes are open, being the only way lethal supplies come to NATO and the Northern Alliance pimps/ pimp Karzai. When Imran takes power, and this airspace is closed (so-called evil designs of the ISI stooge), then people will realize how Pakistan support for the NATO war allowed it to carry on.


Pakistan is responsible for Pashtun bloodshed because of their support for the NATO war.

if stupidity was a bannable offense, you would of been out of here a while ago.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The fact of the matter is when airstrikes/drone attacks/night raids kill thousands upon thousands of Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand, it seems that that becomes acceptable news of the day. There did not appear to be an outcry on the Kabul streets or in other parts of the North when that happen (Panjwai terrorist massacre). Talk about supposed unity, but for Pashtuns, there does not seem to be much concern by non-pashtuns in Afghanistan who on the whole are either supportive or indifferent to the NATO war/Karzai regime. This is not to say that non-Pasthuns are not sympathetic to Pashtuns, obviously there is. I would compare it to Pakistan where Punjabis/Sindhis can mostly go through their day despite the fact that drone attacks and Pakistan Army are killing Pashtuns.

Being politically correct serves no purpose when there is no movement for unity in the first place. Pashtuns are surrounded by enemies from all sides to various degrees, and from my perspective are in a sort of balancing act.

However, when something happens within Kabul, a predominantly non-Pashtun area, all cries are made and tears seemed to be shed. There is a media outrage, but the same does not exist to the thousands of Pashtun deaths due to airstrikes. The media seriously has lost a lot of its credibility.

It seems that the blood of Pashtuns means nothing at all, or has become the acceptable cost of those who support the NATO war.

Secondly, the criticism of Pakistan seems to only be centered around the premise that Pakistan supports the Taliban. No where is there criticism about Pakistan support for the NATO war, a support with critical ground and air supply routes that makes the NATO war/Karzai regime possible in the first place. Even now, the Pakistan air supply routes are open, being the only way lethal supplies come to NATO and the Northern Alliance pimps/ pimp Karzai. When Imran takes power, and this airspace is closed (so-called evil designs of the ISI stooge), then people will realize how Pakistan support for the NATO war allowed it to carry on.


Pakistan is responsible for Pashtun bloodshed because of their support for the NATO war.

Pathetic excuses and forged alternative narratives can't eclipse the truth

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Afghanistan/Civilian-deaths-in-Afghan-war-hit-record-high-UN/Article1-806737.aspx

last year was the deadliest on record for civilians in the Afghan war, with 3,021 killed as insurgents ratcheted up violence with suicide attacks and roadside bombs, the United Nations said on Saturday.

Taliban-affiliated militants were responsible for more than three-quarters of
the civilian deaths in 2011, the fifth year in a row in which the death toll went up, the UN said.

[Shah-i-Kot]

way to divert the topic. why do you justify taliban crimes just because karzai and nato are trash?

its like the nazis vs the british. both sides were absolute ****.

well first of all, NATO/Karzai regime have a track record of lying. No where did I justify Taliban crimes or alleged crimes.

I dont take the Karzai regimes event of what happened here at all. Their track record of distortions, corruption, and outright lying (saying that the insurgency is poisoning girls schools) is too large to not dismiss their claims.

Same goes for NATO

[randolph85]

well first of all, NATO/Karzai regime have a track record of lying. No where did I justify Taliban crimes or alleged crimes.

I dont take the Karzai regimes event of what happened here at all. Their track record of distortions, corruption, and outright lying (saying that the insurgency is poisoning girls schools) is too large to not dismiss their claims.

Same goes for NATO

of course you justify their crimes. instead of condemning the death of afghans, you go on some rant about kabul being mostly non pashtun, and some *** huggery of imran khan.

then its people like you who claim the taliban don't attack civilian dense areas lol amazing.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Most people cannot afford to spend nights in fancy hotels and restaurants in Qargha.

SO when they hear that the people who have been exploiting them for the past 10 years are being targeted, obviously they will cheer and be happy.

we'll be waiting to see how many common folks will be happy to hear of murdering unarmed civilians

murdering Muslims isn't kufr .....but mocking a wahhabist who lives on western benefits is eh?

[Shah-i-Kot]

of course you justify their crimes. instead of condemning the death of afghans, you go on some rant about kabul being mostly non pashtun, and some *** huggery of imran khan.

then its people like you who claim the taliban don't attack civilian dense areas lol amazing.

Excuse me, but where did I ever discuss crimes in the first place?

Do you hold every press release that NATO/Karzai regime make to be true. Might is right?

So talking about Pashtun bloodshed is insignificant?

[Shah-i-Kot]

Additionally, ISAF and the Afghan emigre elite + NDS are controlling information flow at this juncture. One must recall that years ago when that pair of African embassies was targeted in the 1990s an attempt was made by the elites and Intelligence folks to spin it as a senseless attack on civilians. Turns out years later that the US intelligence community admits that those two embassies were essential to their monitoring and control of African governments and that agents admittedly were stationed there. The truth about Spozhmai will reveal itself in a decade.

Im pretty sure this is the case. Old habits dont die, and it is usually those emigres who are in favor of the NATO war who start falsely raising their voice.

I dont believe anything that NATO/Karzai regime says or states. The track record of outright cover ups and distortions is too long to even bother to list.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The fighters first killed the security guards outside the Spozhmai hotel on Lake Qargha on Friday, then stormed inside and began firing at guests who were dining. Some of the guests escaped while others were held hostage as the attackers battled, officials said.

wow firing at the guests who were dining ....who were dining, eating peacefully


and Khushal and Barakzai trying to spin doctor this with blame shifting and using separate events to buttress this one is a rather heinous act of intellectual dishonesty