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    Originally posted by faye View Post
    it is weird that the biggest base is at kandahar and that is where the large number of taliban are. shows that the u.s. and afghan military don't have a lot of control.
    there is no definite proof as to who is causing the most deaths of civilians. that is b.s. as far as i believe. it would appear that the most deaths would be caused by the invaders.
    these continuing deaths of civilians is atrocious and the u.s. and nato soldiers, that have been so long in fighting in iraq and afghanistan are probably losing their minds, with frustraion, hate and war fatigue.
    they go back to america and are on meds for mental illnesses and have illnesses from the toxic bombs they are spewing on humans, in these wars.
    old men sending young men to fight illegal wars. will the young men ever stand up and say NO!!!!!!?




    WASHINGTON (AP) — Suicides are surging among America's troops, averaging nearly one a day this year — the fastest pace in the nation's decade of war.
    The 154 suicides for active-duty troops in the first 155 days of the year far outdistance the U.S. forces killed in action in Afghanistan — about 50 percent more — according to Pentagon statistics obtained by The Associated Press.
    The numbers reflect a military burdened with wartime demands from Iraq and Afghanistan that have taken a greater toll than foreseen a decade ago. The military also is struggling with increased sexual assaults, alcohol abuse, domestic violence and other misbehavior.
    Because suicides had leveled off in 2010 and 2011, this year's upswing has caught some officials by surprise.
    The reasons for the increase are not fully understood. Among explanations, studies have pointed to combat exposure, post-traumatic stress, misuse of prescription medications and personal financial problems. Army data suggest soldiers with multiple combat tours are at greater risk of committing suicide, although a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed.
    The unpopular war in Afghanistan is winding down with the last combat troops scheduled to leave at the end of 2014. But this year has seen record numbers of soldiers being killed by Afghan troops, and there also have been several scandals involving U.S. troop misconduct.
    The 2012 active-duty suicide total of 154 through June 3 compares to 130 in the same period last year, an 18 percent increase. And it's more than the 136.2 suicides that the Pentagon had projected for this period based on the trend from 2001-2011. This year's January-May total is up 25 percent from two years ago, and it is 16 percent ahead of the pace for 2009, which ended with the highest yearly total thus far.
    Suicide totals have exceeded U.S. combat deaths in Afghanistan in earlier periods, including for the full years 2008 and 2009.
    The suicide pattern varies over the course of a year, but in each of the past five years the trend through May was a reliable predictor for the full year, according to a chart based on figures provided by the Armed Forces Medical Examiner.
    The numbers are rising among the 1.4 million active-duty military personnel despite years of effort to encourage troops to seek help with mental health problems. Many in the military believe that going for help is seen as a sign of weakness and thus a potential threat to advancement.
    Kim Ruocco, widow of Marine Maj. John Ruocco, a helicopter pilot who hanged himself in 2005 between Iraq deployments, said he was unable to bring himself to go for help.
    "He was so afraid of how people would view him once he went for help," she said in an interview at her home in suburban Boston. "He thought that people would think he was weak, that people would think he was just trying to get out of redeploying or trying to get out of service, or that he just couldn't hack it - when, in reality, he was sick. He had suffered injury in combat and he had also suffered from depression and let it go untreated for years. And because of that, he's dead today."
    Ruocco is currently director of suicide prevention programs for the military support organization Tragedy Assistance Programs, or TAPS. She joined the group after her husband's suicide, and she organized its first program focused on support for families of suicide victims.
    Jackie Garrick, head of a newly established Defense Suicide Prevention Office at the Pentagon, said in an interview Thursday that the suicide numbers this year are troubling.
    "We are very concerned at this point that we are seeing a high number of suicides at a point in time where we were expecting to see a lower number of suicides," she said, adding that the weak U.S. economy may be confounding preventive efforts even as the pace of military deployments eases.
    Garrick said experts are still struggling to understand suicidal behavior.
    "What makes one person become suicidal and another not is truly an unknown," she said.
    Dr. Stephen N. Xenakis, a retired Army brigadier general and a practicing psychiatrist, said the suicides reflect the level of tension as the U.S. eases out of Afghanistan though violence continues.
    "It's a sign in general of the stress the Army has been under over the 10 years of war," he said in an interview. "We've seen before that these signs show up even more dramatically when the fighting seems to go down and the Army is returning to garrison."
    But Xenakis said he worries that many senior military officers do not grasp the nature of the suicide problem.
    A glaring example of that became public when a senior Army general recently told soldiers considering suicide to "act like an adult."
    Maj. Gen. Dana Pittard, commander of the 1st Armored Division, last month retracted — but did not apologize for — a statement in his Army blog in January. He had written, "I have now come to the conclusion that suicide is an absolutely selfish act." He also wrote, "''I am personally fed up with soldiers who are choosing to take their own lives so that others can clean up their mess. Be an adult, act like an adult, and deal with your real-life problems like the rest of us." He did also counsel soldiers to seek help.
    His remarks drew a public rebuke from the Army, which has the highest number of suicides and called his assertions "clearly wrong." Last week the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, said he disagrees with Pittard "in the strongest possible terms."
    The military services have set up confidential telephone hotlines, placed more mental health specialists on the battlefield, added training in stress management, invested more in research on mental health risk and taken other measures.
    The Marines established a counseling service dubbed "DStress line," a toll-free number that troubled Marines can call anonymously. They also can use a Marine website to chat online anonymously with a counselor.
    The Marines arguably have had the most success recently in lowering their suicide numbers, which are up slightly this year but are roughly in line with levels of the past four years. The Army's numbers also are up slightly. The Air Force has seen a spike, to 32 through June 3 compared to 23 at the same point last year. The Navy is slightly above its 10-year trend line but down a bit from 2011.
    As part of its prevention strategy, the Navy has published a list of "truths" about suicide.
    "Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane," it says. "They might be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing."
    In a report published in January the Army said the true impact of its prevention programs is unknown.
    "What is known is that all Army populations ... are under increased stress after a decade of war," it said, adding that if not for prevention efforts the Army's suicide totals might have been as much as four times as high.
    Marine Sgt. Maj. Bryan Battaglia, the senior enlisted adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently issued a video message to all military members in which he noted that suicides "are sadly on the rise."
    "From private to general, we shoulder an obligation to look and listen for signs and we stand ready to intervene and assist our follow service member or battle buddy in time of need," Battaglia said.
    The suicide numbers began surging in 2006. They soared in 2009 and then leveled off before climbing again this year. The statistics include only active-duty troops, not veterans who returned to civilian life after fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Nor does the Pentagon's tally include non-mobilized National Guard or Reserve members.
    The renewed surge in suicides has caught the attention of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. Last month he sent an internal memo to the Pentagon's top civilian and military leaders in which he called suicide "one of the most complex and urgent problems" facing the Defense Department, according to a copy provided to the AP.
    Panetta touched on one of the most sensitive aspects of the problem: the stigma associated seeking help for mental distress. This is particularly acute in the military.
    "We must continue to fight to eliminate the stigma from those with post-traumatic stress and other mental health issues," Panetta wrote, adding that commanders "cannot tolerate any actions that belittle, haze, humiliate or ostracize any individual, especially those who require or are responsibly seeking professional services."
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    AP broadcast correspondent Sagar Meghani contributed to this report.
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    Online:
    Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors: http://www.taps.org
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    Robert Burns can be reached on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/robertburnsAP
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  • #2
    Suicides have been high with Taliban for years. All the Sucide bombs, means Taliban have the highest suicide rate.

    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #3
      Are you angry at Pashtuns in general because you got rejected by Pashtanas?

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      • #4
        Let's step into reality for a moment here, do you honestly in your right mind think Pashtun women would prefer a guy who supports the Taliban, a Group of Fanatics who believe women should be slaves and never go to school, trapped under a burqa, over a guy who doesn't? I think it's a no brainer here, which of us is being rejected by Pashtaney and it certainly isn't me . You can keep telling yourself otherwise though
        Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 06-08-2012, 02:31 PM.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shadowgoverner
          dude
          what are you talking about?
          are you serious?LOL


          Do you support, Taliban beating women? Answer Yes or No - YouTube


          yeah dude I'm serious, name me one Pashtun woman who'd like this to happen to her?
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
            Do you support, Taliban beating women? Answer Yes or No - YouTube


            yeah dude I'm serious, name me one Pashtun woman who'd like this to happen to her?
            not all Pashtuns are like this, Taliban men don't hit their women like this.
            plus this video is really old, and they might being punished for a reason.

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            • #7
              It is proven that the following video is fake and does not show a taliban member.
              High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                Do you support, Taliban beating women? Answer Yes or No - YouTube


                yeah dude I'm serious, name me one Pashtun woman who'd like this to happen to her?

                You stalked a Pashtana in New York. Do you think this was right and justified of you to do?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
                  not all Pashtuns are like this, Taliban men don't hit their women like this.
                  plus this video is really old, and they might being punished for a reason.


                  I never said Pashtuns are all like this, These people like UnknownPrince (Lynx) and Shadowgoverner, walk around like they know what being Pashtun is and the both favor the Taliban.

                  what reason is there to beat a woman? I'd like to hear your insane logic on this.

                  There's never any good reason to beat women EVER, for whatever reason. If you think otherwise, I feel bad for what might be going on in your household.
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                    It is proven that the following video is fake and does not show a taliban member.
                    Yes regular Afghans go around beating Ghair Mahram women with sticks. LOL


                    by the way where is this proof?
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lynx View Post
                      You stalked a Pashtana in New York. Do you think this was right and justified of you to do?
                      any proof of that?
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #12
                        Revolution/Scimitar,

                        Why did you stalk a Pashtana in New York so much that she had to file a restraining order against you?

                        Dont you consider this to be a violation of her privacy/rights?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                          logical fallacy with a kilo of redhering.

                          i was talking about you trying to compete against someone the age of your son.
                          Don't change things around just to save face. The logical fallacy is yours, age wasn't brought up in the previous posts.

                          what Pashtun woman would want a man who's like a Taliban at any age?
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lynx View Post
                            Revolution/Scimitar,

                            Why did you stalk a Pashtana in New York so much that she had to file a restraining order against you?

                            Dont you consider this to be a violation of her privacy/rights?

                            Do you have any proof any of that is real?
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              any proof of that?
                              Legal cases/restraining orders are in public records forever. It can never be expunged.

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