Orakzai updates

[Talal]

Security forces kill five militants in Lower Orakzai

ORAKZAI: According to official sources, security forces and militants clashed in Gadra area of lower Orakzai agency.

Forces are heavily targeting militant hideouts in the agency for the last five days and claim to have killed over 135 militants so far. At least five security personnel have also lost their lives during the offensive.

Meanwhile, mass exodus also continues in the agency. Large numbers of people are migrating from Sultanzai, Feroze-Khel, Anjani, Mi****-Mela and surrounding areas to safer places in Hangu and Kohat. - DawnNews.


15 more militants killed in Aurakzai Agency

PESHAWAR, Mar 28 (APP): The security forces backed by gunship helicopters Sunday killed 15 more militants in restive Arakzai Agency.Official sources informed that security forces have regained control of a key militant stronghold Gaidra after inflicted heavy losses to militants.

The militants carried out rocket attacks on FC fort that was effectively retaliated by security forces that left 10 terrorists killed.
Earlier, five militants were killed during a shootout between troops and extremists in Ferozkhel area. The hideouts of militants have been pounded with gunship helicopters and several dens were destroyed.

Gunship helicopters pound militant hide-outs in Aurakzai, 6 extremists killed

PESHAWAR, March 27 (APP): Security forces backed by helicopter gunships pounded militant hide-outs in lower Aurakzai agency near the Afghan border, killing six extremists, sources said. The choppers targeted militant hideouts in Sultanzai, Anjani areas of lower Aurakzai agency that resulted in the death of six extremists and destruction of two hideouts. The house of Malik Rafique also destroyed during the aerial strikes.

Security forces used ground forces and gunships in operations in Aurakzai tribal region and cleared many militant strongholds 86 militants have been killed in last two days aerial and ground attacks in Aurakzai agency.

Aurakzai is the base of Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan Chief Hakimullah Mehsud whose death is still of mystery.

[Master Khan]

are reallly killing militants or just random people?

[Talal]

militants

[Dinosaur Khan]

are reallly killing militants or just random people?

In my own area military operation has been performed, only taliban militants were killed or captured.

[Talal]

That is what the USA says as well 'we killed ton of talibs' an hour later they are offering a ton of apologies. Knowing from my own research how poor and poorly trained the Pak army is, I doubt they would be more successful than 43 countries of the world fighting Afghans.

If 43 countries cant subdue these Afghan Pashtuns, I doubt Pakistan that was once ruled by Afghans and was part of the Afghan empire can subdue them.



Yes,Yes I have been studying.


I am talking about the Ahmad Shah Baba Durrani who ruled modern pakistan and Iran.

then you shouldnt have any problem sharing that research about how poorly trained our army is, if your boys couldnt get the job done that doesnt mean ours wouldnt either.. then again i present facts, waiting for your research

[Talal]

Also i thought i should add something from the US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS), regarding our so "poorly trained" army

This isn't from a pakistani source

CBS Newsworld


The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen said he "couldn't give the Pakistani Army anything but an 'A'" for how they've conducted their battle so far, after eight-months-plus of fighting to clear militants from the Swat Valley. He was speaking to those of us traveling with him, after he spent the day touring the now-conquered Swat Valley with Pakistan's Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani . (For the record, after so many visits with U.S. and Pakistani military officials and diplomats in Afghanistan and Pakistan over the last few days, he looked worn. But so did we.)

"He planned well, and he's been very deliberate about how much he can get done and when he can get it done," Mullen said. "I think that's a very realistic approach to the operations."

He said that includes how the Pakistani military is currently conducting their counterinsurgency campaign there—trying to boost economic and political development there, after taking that territory. That's a new way of fighting for the Pakistani army, and one many U.S. military analysts and officers had publicly doubted they could pull off.

Mullen's comments are also unexpectedly high praise from American's top military commander in uniform -- at a time when U.S. officials are often quoted in the media saying Pakistan is not doing enough to fight the Afghan Taliban, which threatens U.S. troops across the border in Afghanistan. The Pakistani army continues to fight the militants, but they're concentrating on the Pakistani Taliban, who have waged a deadly suicide bombing campaign in their country, and bypassed areas populated by some of America's enemies.

You could cynically say Mullen's warm comments are good preparation to soften the Pakistani leadership up, before asking them to do more. But Mullen is a known for being more matter of fact than manipulative. And he's not known for being overzealous in handing out praise.

His staff explained he really thinks the Pakistani army in general, and Kayani in particular "get it." "They're a learning force," one official said. They learned the hard way, by taking hundreds of casualties early in this campaign, and finding out that if you don't hold territory after you take it from the Taliban, you just have to take it again, and lose more troops in the process.

And as the U.S. military learned in Iraq, the official explained, they've also learned that it's easier to "clear and hold" the first part of counterinsurgency, than it is to "build and transfer"—as in building hospitals, schools, roads, and bringing in jobs and business, and then transferring the area to a stable government and security force.

Admiral Mullen said it's something Kayani and his military commanders brought up a lot in their tour today – that while they'd conquered much of the territory they'd gone after, the economic aid and support from their own government and the international community wasn't coming in fast enough to both get people back to work, and keep them satisfied enough to keep them from supporting the Taliban again.

"That's something he is concerned about," Mullen said. "He has got to hold this territory, until the building starts. So that's where his main focus is."

Mullen is taking that message back to Washington – what is essentially a polite pushback from the Pakistani military that they are fighting as hard as they can, as fast as they can, but they're taking care of their own business, and their own direct enemies – the militant groups responsible for a string of bloody bombings across Pakistan—before they go after America's enemies.

That said, the admiral said he did bring up Washington's desire that Pakistan pursue the Afghan Taliban, aka Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar and crew, thought to be sheltering in Pakistan, as well and the militant Haqqani tribe, which straddles Afghanistan and the Pakistani territory of Northern Waziristan. Mullen said Kayani "gets" that too.

"He is very aware of the additional insurgents that are out there, and he is likewise focused in getting at them," Mullen said. "I say that broadly. That's without exactly how that's going to be done or when that's going to be done."

And that sounds to this reporter like two military commanders getting together and saying to each other, we know what needs to happen, and we also know how fast the politicians want it to happen. But we also both know that from a military standpoint, it doesn't happen that fast on the ground.

Call it a diplomatic version of "back off, and let us do our job." But you won't hear a general, or an admiral, saying that to a reporter out loud.

[Talal]

okay buddy here's your argument

"pakistan army is poorly trained, i have research to prove that"

Here's what mike mullen said

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen said he "couldn't give the Pakistani Army anything but an 'A'" for how they've conducted their battle so far, after eight-months-plus of fighting to clear militants from the Swat Valley. He was speaking to those of us traveling with him, after he spent the day touring the now-conquered Swat Valley with Pakistan's Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani"

In response to that, you said that your research is based on this forum and pakistanis are american puppets. well wrong pakistan government are american stooges not "pakistanis". The aid you so gallantly flaunt about has been paid to these crooks not us pakistanis and thats why US is continuing that aid, but thats another argument. You made a statement about the "poorly trained" pakistani army and how all this success made by Pakistan was shady, you have done research to prove that can you bring it to the light please ? or are you saying this forum is your research ?

[Master Khan]

That is what the USA says as well 'we killed ton of talibs' an hour later they are offering a ton of apologies. Knowing from my own research how poor and poorly trained the Pak army is, I doubt they would be more successful than 43 countries of the world fighting Afghans.

If 43 countries cant subdue these Afghan Pashtuns, I doubt Pakistan that was once ruled by Afghans and was part of the Afghan empire can subdue them.



Yes,Yes I have been studying.


I am talking about the Ahmad Shah Baba Durrani who ruled modern pakistan and Iran.

Pakistan army is poorly trained..?

[Master Khan]

Whatever their army is, its because of my country and its aid.

Pakistan is an american puppet state, do you disagree

Well this country spends most of its money on the army, Themselves then on its people.

[Talal]

Whatever their army is, its because of my country and its aid.

Pakistan is an american puppet state, do you disagree

$5.3 billion to Pakistan to take care of the russians

Post 9/11 pre Obama, $15 billion in assistance to Pakistan for bagging all those talibans that fill up guantanamo todday

Post obama

7.5 Billion dollars (promised) ~ 2 Billion delievered, for fighting your war that your messed policies so graciously dumped on our land

Pakistan's total budget JUST for these recent ops 40 Billion dollars and counting

And what military assistance ? we built the nukes remember ? you tried the best you could to stop us ?

JF-17 pak/china

Alkhalid pak/china

Subs pak/france

frigates pak/china

what did you give us ? a bunch of cobras and some starfires back in the day ??

Dude i realised how much credibility your arguments had when you used this forum as a "research" for your thesis of "how poorly trained" our army is and which now you've shamelessly backtracked from.

But seriously bring facts, because i actually know what im talking about, US has brought nothing but misery not just to this region but anywhere they've gone. Vietnam wasn't disgrace enough, realising the same hoop-di-dah in Afghanistan now they are again grovelling to Pakistan to help them out.. comprende ?

[Talal]

nearly 20billion is not enough, convert that to your currency. cmon now.


Pakistan is funded and aided by the US. Take it with a grain of salt, Pakistan can not call its own shots without our CIA approval.

did you even read the post

US aid 20 billion

Pakistan's bill 40 Billion

they're both in USD

As far as who is calling the shots ?

read this it might be of some help

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis118.html

[Master Khan]

nearly 20billion is not enough, convert that to your currency. cmon now.


Pakistan is funded and aided by the US. Take it with a grain of salt, Pakistan can not call its own shots without our CIA approval.

Well Pakistan is fighting your war after all.
Do we really need CIA approval to do something??

[Talal]

Well Pakistan is fighting your war after all.
Do we really need CIA approval to do something??

we dont but a better question would be does CIA need US approval

[Master Khan]

we dont but a better question would be does CIA need US approval

Well thank god for that.
"oh I need the Toilet".. Better call the CIA for approval.

[Talal]

^ lmao