Saudi official beaten at pakistani airport

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Al-Arab,

Are the traitors still in power in Iraq, in the Sunni regions?

they're not traitors; they just saw that Al Qaeda were doing worse than the Americans

that's exactly what's happening in Afghanistan, no one likes the Americans but the Taliban are worse. So what choice do they have?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Where is the documentation? Please show documentation and all your sources indicating Pashtuns practiced slavery. Leave all the myths and commentaries out.

Good day.

Already showed them, or are you just going to ride off of whatever Khushal says as factual, but deny any source that does't ft your bias.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I will reply tomorrow brother it's very late. I hope you can forgive me. But see my latest reply to Scimitar which is part about tribalism.

Scimitar:

Al-Qaeda is still present and the most powerful in Iraq of all countries together with Yemen - so I think your conclusion is pretty selective.

yes but alll the Al-Qaeda are either Saudis, or they're brainwashed by Saudis. Just like there is no Taliban in Saudi Arabia, but Saudis support the Taliban along with Pakistan

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Make a quick search about Iraqi tribalism on the internet and you will understand what I mean. Most Iraqi Arabs are have Bedouin ancestry (today most are only ancestors of course). Even Saddam Hussein, who regarded tribalism as a danger to his rule (ironically when his own little small tribe ruled Iraq so long and autocratic) did everything in his power to destroy it but never succeeded. It's extremely deeply rooted in Iraqi society, culture etc.

http://kurdishherald.com/issue/v002/001/article05.php

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raq/tribes.htm

http://www.amazon.com/TRIBALISM-IRAQ.../dp/B0008HBAJA

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/CY-TRIB.html

Several sources jus there in English - obviously there is way more in Arabic.

Your post doesn't make any sense and doesn't seem to have anything to do with The Anbar Uprising


The Anbar uprising happened because Saudi Al Qaeda started murdering Iraqis so it forced them to change sides. All you're doing is giving me some idiotic baseless interpretation that you're trying to pass as an excuse.

simple

[faye]

rulers of saudi arabia appear to me, to be a fence sitters. i may have missed it, but i have never heard anything from that countries leaders, in support of muslims elsewhere. i did not hear them protest the invasion of iraq nor the treatment of palestinians or the invasion of afghanistan. (although they are interested in involvement with afghanistan, now)

did i just miss their support and protests or did it just never happen?

the 9/11 perpetrators were mostly said to be saudis too, weren't they? but iraq and afghanistan were invaded instead.
yet the saudi rulers seem to have a symbiotic relationship with america, and potentially have influence upon the american government, so i can't understand why they are not more ourspoken on behalf of fellow muslims.

[Khostai]

^Its is forbiden in Saudi Arabie to protest publicaly, so the peopel sit quite at home becuase there fat bellies are fed, they don't care about the other the leaders are busy patying and going to prostituets so that's way you never hear anything from them.
BUt they do sponsor wahabist in Afghanistan and Iraq they are spreading extremism around the globe that's there duty.

[sunni]

not going to read the posts cuz i knw what kind of members here are and what they would say!! its just stupid!!


i believe shiekh mahammed al a'refi was right when he said there are some people who want to break the good relation btw muslims!! like what happned the last time in eygpt!!

[Manzareh]

Two stupid posts by two Pakistanis that somehow feel inferiror grudges towards Arabs.

Yes, fantastic that fellow Muslims beat each other up - especially from a country (Saudi Arabia) that has given billion of Dollars to help Pakistan.

interesting that you mention 'dollars' how many billions have they given to america?

[Shah-i-Kot]

The use of words such as "extremism" and "wahabism" are simply code word for Islam and natural human resentment of foreign occupation.

No one is buying this BS.

Saudi Arabia did not export "Wahabism" to Afghanistan. They did not create the Afghan resistance aka freedom fighters.

The terrorist Communists who supported the Soviet occupation caused the Afghan resistance aka freedom fighters to take up arms against the terrorist Soviets and the terrorist dog Najib

[A.Alraeesi]

Are you all still arguing on this? Stop racism and hate. Arabs are good people, you can't gudge them from there dictator rulers. It's just their rulers not them.
Dictator rulers= Who do you think will control the goverment? Short answer= The dictator rulers.

[torkham]

This is not about what the place is called. For me this is not important. I live in the place of my ancestors. My grandfather was born during the Kingdom of Hijaz. Before it was Ottoman Hijaz. My grandmother from my father's side belong to the Al-Shammari tribe (3.5 million in Iraq (15 of all Arabs there) and 3 million in Saudi - the two biggest tribes in the two countries (current King Abdullah is shammari on mother side) and they lived in Kingdom of Iraq, Ottoman Iraq, Emirate of Jabal Shammar, Emirate of Nejd, and now since 1926 Saudi Arabia.

It's about having respect for the land your ancestors have lived upon for hundred of years and the land you grown up in and feel connection to. I want the Al-Saud out personally as most Hijazi's want but if someone will rename Saudi Arabia to a new name in 10 years time I will not care as long as it reflects our past, tradition, culture of the land. It's the land I love not the name of the country.

Therefore when people talk badly about Saudi Arabia - even when they are ruled by puppets - then even the ciritics of Al-Saud as me will feel people are disrespecting our lands. It's that rhetoric that is big problem here among some members and this rhetoric does not help anything.

I have talked about this with brother Sunni who also live in Hijaz. He is not brainwashed nor is I. We can see the problems and we can also see that not ALL al-Sauds are bad but in general their alliances are a very bad combination (here I talk about West and

Let me give you a example brother. When Afghanistan was "officially ruled" by communist in Kabul would you like if some people referred to Afghans/Pashtuns as communist all the time because 0,0001 percent of their country happened to rule them by communisms?

What is this for logic? What stupid logic is this? I challenge them to visit Al-Higaz and other areas and see if local peoples all follow Al-Saud blindly or don't have culture of their own. It's only a few people who follow the Al ash-Sheikh. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) and his madhab is by far the most popular together with the safi'i madhab.

Al-Higaz and Nagd are like two different countries. Everyone who has been to Saudi Arabia and know about it will tell you this. Despite all this people continue with their ignorance.

I am out of this dicussion since this is late and I need to go to bed and nothing good will come out of it.

I am just tired of the ignorance that is daily on display by some stubborn members here you never admit their own faults even in debates. This should tell you already what patch they are in.

Hejaz and Najd - you use the letter G assuming it is the hard sound - isn't that used in Egyptian dialect - as in Gamal Nasser? That accent is some way away from Iraq. What's joe-ing on?

[khushal]

Guilty until proven innocent right?

he is a member of a criminal organization that commits these crimes, is he not?

[Afghanistan2010]

As an expert on the Iraqi Resistance, i openly admit the activities in syria are accomplished by the brave and honourful iraqi resistance movements,who withstoond the american and international terrorism in iraq,they are activily fighting in Syria against the dictatorship established by the western and eastern criminals.

Looking forward for the capture of Damascus and Baghdad.

[randolph85]

expert for the iraqi resistance?

[Afghanistan2010]

Analysing for the last 8 years "Operation Iraqi Freedom"