Ahmadis: New Fresh Movement against them

[din]

Der da afsoos khabara da

[tor_khan]

First they kill us minorities being non-Muslim and now Muslims themselves?

Has Pakistan lost its mind?

Unlike Shias and other Muslim minorities, there's a technicality that because the Ahmadis supercede belief in the last prophet they are discluded from being considered Muslims and are thus a religious minority outside Islam. They argue differently, of course, and whilst killing is not right, they are a highly organised, well to do community.

More Muslims, in the general sense are being killed by the state so there's a general sense of unease.

[tor_khan]

Tor_Khan,
There are 2sides to a coin, You might consider them non-Muslims, But I am sure our member Asif here will argue and present his sources as well.

You can check out his thread, Its in the religion thread.

Sometime the coin analogy isn't "enough" - we're talking about a multiface die here and religion and politics are complex.

I wasn't, incidently, making a judgement about the Ahmadis commitment to Islam - read back over my post. Even if I have an opinion on this, the truth is I am concerned equally that Pashtoons are killed on a regular basis because of religion and politics. This is not just isolated to Ahmadis.

[tor_khan]

You can blame that on Pashtun themselves for siding with ISI and intelligence services. What more do you expect, Why don't the USA attack Sindhis or Punjabis?

Right. There's a lesson in this. We should choose our friends with care.

[Nadir Shah]

You can blame that on Pashtun themselves for siding with ISI and intelligence services. What more do you expect, Why don't the USA attack Sindhis or Punjabis?

What is wrong with you guys? What exactly do you blame the Pashtuns for? How many Pashtuns sided with ISI and the Pak Army? 10000? 20000? Lets say 100,000. Does that mean that a whole nation of 60 million individuals deserves to be killed and mutilated? About a dozen Arab regimes are involved in orgies with the US since 1945, and yet you raise hell for Gaza and Jerusalem? Please treat the Pashtuns as humans.

[Nadir Shah]

You are talking to me directly, so take the you guys out of this, No generalizing.

For siding with our enemies. Working for the Pak army to kill my swatis.

A lot.

They are supporting them! Those 100,000 are supporting them and working to kill us. To hell man, If we are killing ourselves shame on us.


I do.

Killing your Swatis? Do ypu blame the Pashtuns for this? Remember, provinding security and a safe and secure environment for it's citizens is the prime respnsiblity of the state, that is the Pakistani state. You, the Punjbaized-I-am-so-a-Pakistani-Pashtuns, with your never ending oaths of loyalty to the Pakistani state and betrayal of the Pashtun cause should at least ask and demand state security in return.
You must understand that the Pashtuns who commited these crimes are indoctrinated by a massive and omnipotent apparatus and a network of extremist/Jihadi educational curriculum, Jihadi media, Jihadi culture, state sponsorship of Jihadism, lack of meaningful education and the geo-political environment of the region. Let us not forget that the terrorists in Central Pashtunkhwa also have a significant number of Uzbek, Tajik, Turkmen, Chechen, and Sudanese etc. In this environment flourishing of extremism in Pashtun Watan is not a strange occurence nor is it to be blamed on the Pashtuns.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I wouldnt take Munawar Hasan very seriously, few weeks ago, the same suicide bombers they glorify accidently attacked one of his rallies and you should have seen them screeming and shouting and witnessed themselves what it feels like loosing somebody, You know these guys are nothing but State Actors, Munawar Hasasn openly supports the Afghan Taliban and supports suicide bombing attacks on American and coliation soldiers but refuses to accept the attacks on Pak fauge.

Hes a Hipocrite and a Coward.

Kind Regards

[Nadir Shah]

This is insane. Why can't Pakistan leave Ahmadis alone?

Because the Pakistani state has the divine right to declare people Moslem or Non-Moslem at will.

[Son of Mountains]

^So the people who do not believe that Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is last messenger of Almighty God, a dirty man who died in bathroom is being told their last messenger.....those people are Muslim in your point of view????
What a Shame!

[شمله ور خراساني]

^So the people who do not believe that Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is last messenger of Almighty God, a dirty man who died in bathroom is being told their last messenger.....those people are Muslim in your point of view????
What a Shame!

Nadir Shah is a kaafir. Don't aks him such questions

[afghan]

^So the people who do not believe that Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is last messenger of Almighty God, a dirty man who died in bathroom is being told their last messenger.....those people are Muslim in your point of view????
What a Shame!

he should be targetted by christian he is trying to take jesus place. he considered himself as a messiah. million others have claimed similarly. may be ahmadis are targetted for not supporting napak-kashmir policy, have not compromised in supporting the terrorism?

[Baidariwal]

ufffffff you people are soooo crazy ... who cares if you consider them muslims or not, they are HUMAN, and tell me where in Quran it says to kill an innocent human

[Roshina]

Because the Pakistani state has the divine right to declare people Moslem or Non-Moslem at will.

It's not just an entire nation that thinks it has the divine right to declare people as Muslims or non-Muslims -- but even individual Muslims believe they have the divine right to declare others as kaafir as well. If you don't submit to their version/brand of Islam, then you're a kaafir. That makes every single Muslim a kaafir because SOME Muslim out there must believe that she/he is a kaafir!

Over 1400 years of history, and we're STILL busy declaring others as kuffar, lol. What a pity!

[Roshina]

Certain things are accepted amongst all Muslims. Such as wearing a Bikini to the beach, Premarital sex and etc. So if someone believes in these things being part of Islam, would you accept them as Muslims?

Ahh, brother! I wish I could answer that question for ya. I'm not willing to say what you want to hear, and you're not gonna like what I've to say. 'Cause, unlike many, I don't considered myself to be in a position where I can decide who's Muslim and who's not.

My honest answer will require an explanation on my behalf, which I'm not going to waste time on right now . . . so, for now, just accept the above.

[tor_khan]

I feel bad for Muslims and any people singled out to suffer.

You can't just treat a cut on the knee when there's a bigger open wound that needs tending to.