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    A third of India's Muslims say they are suffering


    Dec 18, 2011

    NEW DELHI // A third of India's 140 million Muslims say they are suffering and pessimistic about their future - the worst of three ratings in a survey of Indian life.
    Less than a quarter of Hindus and 15 per cent of people of other religions felt the same, according to the poll by the Abu Dhabi Gallup Centre.
    Dalia Mogahed, a director and senior analyst at the polling company, said responses were assigned to one of three categories.
    "Thriving is the highest category," she said. "This is a person who evaluates their life positively today and expects it to be positive in five years. Suffering is the lowest and represents someone who rates their current and future life poorly."
    The other category, struggling, lies somewhere between the two.
    The survey revealed that 47 per cent of Indian Muslims said it was difficult to survive on their incomes, compared with 39 per cent of Hindus.
    The poll showed that Muslims had larger families, with 29 per cent having three or more children, compared with 17 per cent of Hindus and only 7 per cent in other religious groups.
    The poll did not give an explanation for the disparity between the economic situation of Indian Muslims and other groups. While it showed that Muslim Indians were "disproportionately more likely to be poor, uneducated and live in difficult conditions, it is difficult to say for sure what explains this discrepancy", said Ms Mogahed.
    More than 9,500 Indians, including 1,197 Muslims, were interviewed face-to-face last year and this year for the poll.

    They were asked how they rated their lives now and the prospects for their future in five years, on a scale of one to 10.
    The Muslim population has increased 200 per cent in four decades, according to the 2001 census.
    In comparison, the rest of the country's population grew by 134 per cent. India has the world's largest Muslim population after Indonesia and Pakistan.
    The survey's report cites a 2006 government study by the Sachar Commission, led by a former Delhi High Court chief justice, Rajindar Sachar, which examined the state of the Muslim community. The study related several anecdotal instances of discrimination.
    "Muslim identity affects everyday living in a variety of ways that ranges from being unable to rent/buy a house to accessing good schools for their children," read the commission's report.
    The authors said Muslims have only marginal access to credit and often work for wages less than their Hindu counterparts.
    By comparing the number of Muslims employed in government offices, banks and universities to their proportion of the population, the report concluded that Muslims are under-represented in every area of the public and private sector.

    Zikrur Rahman, the director of the India Arab Cultural Centre at Jamia Milia Islamia, believes the discrepancy is due less to open discrimination and a result of the lingering hangover from the country's division in 1947, which resulted in the creation of Pakistan as a nation specifically for Muslims.
    "We lost the upper-middle class," Mr Rahman said. "These are people who would have been philanthropists, who would have run NGOs, or sponsored scholarships. They left a great void. Had there been no migration or partition, this would not have happened."
    The Sachar report also addressed the issue of education as "an area of grave concern for the Muslim community". The commission found that Muslim children were more likely to have to drop out of school to help support their family.
    Taimoor Khan, 22, left school at 17 to help his family survive. He works at a street food stall in Delhi's predominantly Muslim Old City, after arriving in the capital five years ago from Uttar Pradesh.
    After his father died, the family was forced to sell its food cart to pay off his debts. "We did not have the money to keep me in school," said Mr Khan. "With no income, I was forced to find work."
    He supports his mother, two sisters and younger brother by sending home half his monthly salary of 5,500 rupees (Dh393).
    Mr Khan doubts education would have improved his lot. "I don't know what difference it would have made," he said. He is not alone in thinking this way.
    "Muslims do not see education as necessarily translating into formal employment," said the Sachar report. "The low representation of Muslims in public or private sector employment and the perception of discrimination in securing salaried jobs make them attach less importance to formal 'secular' education."

    sbhattacharya@thenational.ae


    A third of India's Muslims say they are suffering - The National

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    i have seen more pakistanies being happy about the partition than i have seen indians and that makes sense to me. what confuses me is the amount of muslim population that still lives in india. i don't think pakistan would be as tolerant of hindus or sikh's living in pakistan as much as indians are of muslims in india.
    why can't you guys be as jolly to each other in real life as you are in movies??

    I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

    non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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    • #3
      ^ in real life there is lack of trust between muslims and hindus in India. Even today for example in Indian cities most muslims have their own communities and areas with in a city. They are not very well integrated for the most part, only secular type muslims might be integrated,

      Many poor Muslims are also compared with dalits(low caste) many of the times

      I think this is reason pakistanis are happy with the partition, even though yes pakistan is no where near a perfect country, we have our share of big problems.
      Last edited by Karachi; 12-21-2011, 07:22 PM.

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      • #4
        You cannot ignore the fact that the 1 Billion Muslims (plus) across the world are disproportionately poor so using the Indian example to highlight the poverty of Muslims misses out the wider reality.

        The legacy of the Indian Muslims stems from the time when their poorer Hindu ancestors converted to Islam but remained poor. The same could be said about African Muslims or Pakistanis etc. Remember Pakistan has one of the lowest literacy/social mobility rates for adults and for the average Muslim Panjabi farm labourer, it makes no difference whether he is a Pakistani or an Indian citizen.

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        • #5
          ^ this is true i am not denying, but there is caste/relgious base discrimination in many areas of India and even in interior areas of pakistan which keeps large parts of the society poor. Just look at the conditions of Dalit for example and as you mentioned pakistani farmer class
          Last edited by Karachi; 12-21-2011, 07:53 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
            ^ in real life there is lack of trust between muslims and hindus in India. Even today for example in Indian cities most muslims have their own communities and areas with in a city. They are not very well integrated for the most part, only secular type muslims might be integrated,

            Many poor Muslims are also compared with dalits(low caste) many of the times

            I think this is reason pakistanis are happy with the partition, even though yes pakistan is no where near a perfect country, we have our share of big problems.
            name one society where prejudice doesn't exist today. can you?

            I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

            non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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            • #7
              ^ there is prejudice every where yes, but the levels are different. For example here in Canada it's very low from my experience, but in some countries it is very high

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              • #8
                you can't compare canada to india. lack of education results in poverty and the poor of an ignorant society is considered worst than the plague.

                I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                • #9
                  what seems to happen, as a society gets wealthier, is that things become more expensive and women then have to become part of the work force and couples tend to have less children. my grandmothers did not work and my grandparents were able to own their own homes. my mother worked, as well as my father and she didn't pay off that home, until later in life.
                  where there are young marraiges and lots of children, it appears to me, to be a catch 22 situation, as you have more helping hands but also more school fees, if kids are sent to school, and also more medical and food etc, bills.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                    i have seen more pakistanies being happy about the partition than i have seen indians and that makes sense to me. what confuses me is the amount of muslim population that still lives in india. i don't think pakistan would be as tolerant of hindus or sikh's living in pakistan as much as indians are of muslims in india.
                    why can't you guys be as jolly to each other in real life as you are in movies??

                    It's actually rather interesting.

                    Pakistan wasn't made for the Muslims of Utter Pradesh, Bihar, Assam, Delhi, Orissa, Hyderabad, etc. I mean, all Muslims are one nation but I guess the Muslims of central and southern India weren't Muslim enough. When these Muslims started migrating towards the newly manufactured state of Pakistan, the Pakistanis were caught by surprise. They didn't anticipate that people would actually migrate to the new state. They just thought that whatever the British had given them, they'd keep and that was the end of that.
                    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                      It's actually rather interesting.

                      Pakistan wasn't made for the Muslims of Utter Pradesh, Bihar, Assam, Delhi, Orissa, Hyderabad, etc. I mean, all Muslims are one nation but I guess the Muslims of central and southern India weren't Muslim enough. When these Muslims started migrating towards the newly manufactured state of Pakistan, the Pakistanis were caught by surprise. They didn't anticipate that people would actually migrate to the new state. They just thought that whatever the British had given them, they'd keep and that was the end of that.
                      Those times were very difficult, Muslims were being killed on the indian side and hindus/sikhs were being killed on the current pakistani side. So people where ever they were just wanted to leave, because their future was uncertain.

                      But yeah, If I was to re-create pakistan today I would have different boundaries

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                      • #12
                        reason # 428 why partition was a mistake

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