Old and new mingle in Afghan Jirga

[Azmatullah]

What makes you think the Taleban want a seat in the government anyway?

I don't know much about them, but somehow i doubt they would want to accept such an offer.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Momin, stop lying. Taliban only killed northern alliance. They did not kill people at random.

Would they really have killed innocent people, they would never have been so successful now. Look at Afghanistan. They are winning the war because people support them.

Aren't NA Muslim? Suicide bombings are not random?

Tell me Sangar, have you ever fought with the Taliban?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What makes you think the Taleban want a seat in the government anyway?

I don't know much about them, but somehow i doubt they would want to accept such an offer.

True say, they want full out power.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The Taliban can't rule Afghanistan and they won't allow someone else to rule either.

The irony is that they get foreign, outside, support for the existence yet they complain about these people being there.

You go figure that out!

If you don't call this orchestrated, I don't know what you call orchestrated.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Aren't NA Muslim? Suicide bombings are not random?

Tell me Sangar, have you ever fought with the Taliban?

NA are kuffaar. They are generally murtadeen. They are made up of former communists, setamis, rawafid and Ikhwanis who reject shari'ah law and took money and weapons from Russia, India & USA to fight Islam and shariah.

Who ever takes up arms to fight Islam becomes a kaafir.


No I have not faught with the Taliban.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

NA are kuffaar. They are generally murtadeen. They are made up of former communists, setamis, rawafid and Ikhwanis who reject shari'ah law and took money and weapons from Russia, India & USA to fight Islam and shariah.

Who ever takes up arms to fight Islam becomes a kaafir.


No I have not faught with the Taliban.

How can you collectively call them kuffaar?

If you have not fought with the Taliban then how are you so certain about what happens within them?

[شمله ور خراساني]

How can you collectively call them kuffaar?

If you have not fought with the Taliban then how are you so certain about what happens within them?

Unlike you, I have taken the effort to extensively investigate the situation in Afghanistan.

And A general takfir of northern alliance is because they allied against implementation of shari'ah and they took money from americans to prevent shari'a being implemented and they massacred hundreds of thousands of civilians during their infightings back in the 90's.

A general takfir of NA does not mean each and every one of them is individually considered a kaafir. But in general the alliance is of kuffaar since they have collectively taken the effort to fight islam and this makes their organization as a whole an organization of those who have left the fold of islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Unlike you, I have taken the effort to extensively investigate the situation in Afghanistan.

And A general takfir of northern alliance is because they allied against implementation of shari'ah and they took money from americans to prevent shari'a being implemented and they massacred hundreds of thousands of civilians during their infightings back in the 90's.

A general takfir of NA does not mean each and every one of them is individually considered a kaafir. But in general the alliance is of kuffaar since they have collectively taken the effort to fight islam and this makes their organization as a whole an organization of those who have left the fold of islam.

If you have not fought with them your info is as good as mine.

Do you see your flawed logic?

So you think that Taliban never took money from America? Who created them? Hence, according to your logic, they are also kafir.

The Taliban are guilty for so many suicide bombings that have killed tremendous innocent people. According to your logic, the Taliban are also kafir, as a whole.

I doubt the NA are totally against Islam. Please get your facts right.

You can fool innocent people with you macho approach but not someone who can read and write.

[شمله ور خراساني]

If you have not fought with them your info is as good as mine.

Do you see your flawed logic?

So you think that Taliban never took money from America? Who created them? Hence, according to your logic, they are also kafir.

The Taliban are guilty for so many suicide bombings that have killed tremendous innocent people. According to your logic, the Taliban are also kafir, as a whole.

I doubt the NA are totally against Islam. Please get your facts right.

You can fool innocent people with you macho approach but not someone who can read and write.

Taliban have no doubt killed innocent people in suicide attacks. Nobody is denying that. But the numbers are exagerated to fool people like you to believe they target their own people.

Which is what Northern Alliance did. They would gang-rape women, chop of their hands, feet and brests and shove big wooden poles in their rectum and raise them as monuments on the side of the roads in Kabul. They would boil oil and behead pashtun men and poor boiling oil over their bleeding neck and make their headless body dance. They would hit nails in peoples head while they were still alive.
Over 50.000 dead bodies were lying in rubbles in east and south kabul after the bombardments of Jamyat Islami & Junbish Islami. Their bodies were eaten by wild dogs. People smelled the rotting bodies even outside Kabul city. They took the imam of our village and pulled his eyes out and killed him because he was a Pashtun.

If you are accusing Taliban of the same crimes as Northern Alliance it only affirms how sick of a person you are to lie against people just because you personally have animosity towards Muslims. But again, it is no surprise to see you spreading lies. After all you did not fear allah when you lied agains his messenger. So it is no surpirse to see you comparing taliban to northern alliance.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar, why do you twist a post into something dramatic. I love reading your posts. They are so elementary.

Nonetheless, back to the topic.

If we use your logic, no matter what, Taliban and NA are both guilty of atrocities. Period.

According your own logic the Taliban are also kafir.

Case closed.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar, why do you twist a post into something dramatic. I love reading your posts. They are so elementary.

Nonetheless, back to the topic.

If we use your logic, no matter what, Taliban and NA are both guilty of atrocities. Period.

According your own logic the Taliban are also kafir.

Case closed.

How are the taliban kuffar? did they openly pick up arms to fight shari'ah law?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

How are the taliban kuffar? did they openly pick up arms to fight shari'ah law?

Man I am getting a kick from your posts. Do you even read what your post?

Go and re-read what you wrote. I am using your own logic to determine who is a kafir and who is not. I am not calling anyone a kafir. I am simply pinpointing your distorted way of thinking.

Do you know that people from Holland are also killing the Taliban? You live in Holland. How dare you allow that kafir country to kill your Taliban. Why don't you go to Afghanistan and kill them?

Let me guess, life is too good in Holland, you would not want to jeopardize that?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Man I am getting a kick from your posts. Do you even read what your post?

Go and re-read what you wrote. I am using your own logic to determine who is a kafir and who is not. I am not calling anyone a kafir. I am simply pinpointing your distorted way of thinking.

Do you know that people from Holland are also killing the Taliban? You live in Holland. How dare you allow that kafir country to kill your Taliban. Why don't you go to Afghanistan and kill them?

Let me guess, life is too good in Holland, you would not want to jeopardize that?

I do oppose the Dutch participation in Afghan war. But I am not rambo. I can't go and fight the whole dutch government for doing something I disagree with.

[Azmatullah]

MWMN, If you don't mind me asking.

What have you done for your country and people?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I do oppose the Dutch participation in Afghan war. But I am not rambo. I can't go and fight the whole dutch government for doing something I disagree with.

How long did it take you to think that over?

Why are you still living in their country? You don't need to be a "rambo" to protest an invasion. Leave their country. Simple.

You are living in a country whose soldiers are killing your Taliban left, right and center. What on earth are you still doing there?

Be a man and do the right thing: leave. Go and live in a Muslim country or go and fight in the ranks of the Taliban.