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  • Libya's New Leader Declares An Islamic State

    In February, when Libya erupted in spontaneous protests that quickly turned into an armed revolt, Muammar al-Qaddafi and his son Seif al-Islam had a ready response: This was an al Qaeda-backed uprising, a plot to install "Islamic emirates" paying homage to Osama bin Laden.
    The world scoffed (especially after the Qaddafis accused the revolutionaries of a lot more outlandish things, from putting hallucinogenic drugs in their Nescafe to being simple "criminals"). These weren't jihadist terrorists -- they were ordinary Libyans seeking freedom from an evil, capricious tyrant. And their leaders were secular liberals, people like Mahmoud Jibril, Mahmoud Shammam, and Ali Tarhouni -- who sold the revolution to the West and made NATO intervention politically palatable.
    This narrative was challenged as it became evident that some of the best anti-Qaddafi fighters were Islamists like the February 17 Martyrs Brigade, which was later accused by some of killing interim "defense minister" Abdel Fattah Younis. Then, when Tripoli fell in August, one of the most prominent figures to emerge was Abdel Hakim Belhaj, the bearded former emir of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. Belhaj -- who claims to have been tortured by the CIA -- was at pains to differentiate himself from al Qaeda, but his sudden ascension took many by surprise. Leading Libyan Islamists like exiled cleric Ali al-Sallabi began to agitate against the secularists on the interim council, and Jibril's continuance in office became untenable.
    All this, however, was merely an undercurrent, and the world got swept up in the excitement of the fall of Tripoli and the subsequent liberation of Qaddafi's strongholds in Bani Walid and Sirte. Last week, the Brother Leader himself was captured and appears to have been executed later that day.
    The issue of religion in politics came roaring back Sunday, however, when interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil, thought to be a moderate, declared in his "liberation" address that Libya would be an Islamic state and that sharia law would be a fundamental source of legislation. That remark differed little from statements he had made previously, however (and all Arab states have similar provisions in their constitutions). What did catch people's attention was when he got into specifics: Libya's new constitution "will not disallow polygamy," he said, and charging interest will be forbidden.
    Libyans seemed satisfied, but secular Arab commentators were taken aback. Sultan al-Qassemi, an Emirati columnist, tweeted that Abdel Jalil had just declared "the Islamic Republic of Libya." Gulf News editor Abdul Hamid Ahmad said "Mustafa Abdul Jalil has just given an evidence to all [the] world that [the] Arab uprising will end up to be Islamic states."
    No doubt the international press is going to have a field day, and there will be some serious soul-searching in Western capitals, especially coming after the shocking way in which Qaddafi was killed and the far-from-transparent way in which his autopsy was conducted.
    It's hardly surprising that Libya is heading in a more religious direction -- the vast majority of Libyans are conservative Muslims, after all -- but what is somewhat alarming is the way Abdel Jalil simply decreed these things from the podium. If Libyans want to outlaw interest and bring back polygamy, fine, but let them do so in a democratic and transparent way: Write a new constitution and let the country vote on it.
    What's amazing is that Abdel Jalil's speech happened on a day when, next door, Tunisians lined up to vote in what look to be free and fair elections to choose a constitutional assembly. Maybe they'll end up granting a plurality to the moderate Islamist Ennahda party, and maybe a coalition of liberal and leftist parties will emerge to promote a secular state. Either way, the important thing is that the people are getting a chance to choose in an open and institutionalized process. After today, the gnawing doubts that Libyans will be able to do the same will only grow.
    UPDATE: I should note that others had a different interpretation of Abdel Jalil's speech. Al Jazeera English reports him calling for "a democratic state based on Islamic law" (their paraphrase) and quote him saying, "We strive for a state of the law, for a state of prosperity, for a state that will have Islamic sharia law the basis of legislation."
    I should also add that, while there are clear differences between technocrats like Tarhouni and Islamists like Belhaj, I don't think religion will much be a faultline in Libyan politics -- it's pretty clear where the bulk of the population stands: in the conservative middle. What is worrisome are the clear geographic faultlines -- between east and west, for instance, or between the Western mountains and the coast. Perhaps, then, Islam can serve as a glue that unifies the country as splits begin to emerge over reconstruction, how to distribute oil revenues, and the some $200 billion Qaddafi left behind.

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    Also note that Abu Yahya Al-Libi, the Libyan AlQaeda member who has been tipped as Osama's likely successor, has been heavily involved in the fight against Qaddafi.

    It's entirely possible that AlQaeda in Libya will now mushroom, just as it did in Iraq, after the US invaded that country.

    On the other hand, maybe it will be good for Afghanistan if people like Mr Al-Libi and Mr Al-Arab, etc all go running off to Libya to fight the NATO forces there, instead of fighting in Afghanistan. It may not be so good for Libya, however.

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    • #3
      nah they're too busy murder poor blacks like the cowards they are.

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      • #4
        But I think these Arab jihadis are very fickle. If they see a more attractive jihad opportunity in Libya, then they will run over there immediately, and leave Taliban "brothers" high and dry.

        Maybe US/NATO understand this, and have deliberately supported Libyan rebels who include AlQaeda types to overthrow Qaddafi's govt.
        In this way, by making Libya ripe for jihad, US/NATO can tempt all the Arabs hiding in Afghanistan to pop out of their holes and go running to Libya for jihad, where they can be finished off more easily.

        It's much easier for US/NATO to fight them in Libya than it is to fight them in Afghanistan.
        Will "Arab Afghans" take the bait?

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        • #5
          yes, so they fund and arm AlQaeda, enable them to commit ethnic atrocities against Tauregs, and then ink a deal to acquire Libyan oil, just so they could just to lure them into some show down. Maybe they were never really interested in getting AlQaeda, maybe their goal is Neoimperialism.

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          • #6
            When the General for the Armed Resistance spoke to the people and numerous time he said Jihad fe SabilAllah the translator for BBC and CNN got nervous and translated oh my goodness after a while being quite with "Struggle" and not "Holy War"...i guess if Sheikh Usama Bin Laden says Jihad fe SabilAllah they will translate it into "Holy War".
            High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
              nah they're too busy murder poor blacks like the cowards they are.

              What are you talking about ????

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              • #8
                By the way Abd Aljaleel is not the new president .
                Plus Libya is very Islamic and traditional with some exceptions , i.e. if an extremist group comes to Libya they won't make big changes .

                As for people of dark skin , please note that Libya is in Africa , and it happens that some or many of the people who were involved with the ex-government are of dark skin . Don't believe people who tell you that the rebels are killing people because of their skin colour . I have relatives of dark skin and they're fine thanks to Allah .

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                • #9
                  Guess what folks.....one thing can describe this scenerio with Libya.


                  AFGHAN REMAKE 2011 IN LIBYA

                  CIA/SAS/ARAB INTELL AGENTS-DIRECTORS

                  This is one aspect I dislike about western policy makers, they are so two faced, they've put in charge a man who was a inmate in gitmo and released over 800 prisoners linked to the gang by the name of Libyan Islamic group who are considered a terrorist group by Qadafi.

                  Its a shame for Libyans, they think these Western powers are going to cater for their needs, the best they will get is a few refugee cards and a payment of 20 pound a week, other than that, their oil deposits are open for Western and Arab oil companies to exploit and take.

                  Its truely shameful, I actually supported Qadafis view of a African Union, his development plans and equality of the masses was admirable, but hes gone now, and now we will see Libya go through the EXACT same change AFGHANISTAN went through during the 70's.

                  We will see Libyan warlords take control of certain parts of country, and they will fight eachother for control of the resouces.

                  Its as simple as that. In the UK i saw many Libyans dancing around in celebration of Qadafis death, most of them are actually relatives of exiled radical preachers/clerics.

                  Qadafi was a braveman and died as a warrior! He never took exile and his blood mixed in the soil of his forefathers.

                  I will miss you Qadafi. I respect your Islamic Socialism!

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                  • #10
                    booooooo
                    as if what they did to gadaffi was very islamic.

                    I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                    non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MohannaD View Post
                      By the way Abd Aljaleel is not the new president .
                      Plus Libya is very Islamic and traditional with some exceptions , i.e. if an extremist group comes to Libya they won't make big changes .

                      As for people of dark skin , please note that Libya is in Africa , and it happens that some or many of the people who were involved with the ex-government are of dark skin . Don't believe people who tell you that the rebels are killing people because of their skin colour . I have relatives of dark skin and they're fine thanks to Allah .

                      Yeah, I'm not talking about dark skinned Arabs or berbers, I'm talking about black and Tuaregs

                      Black Africans executed in cold-blood by rebels in Libya – The Zimbabwe Mail - Daily Zimbabwe News at your fingertips

                      maybe you should keep abreast on recent news.
                      Last edited by ScimitarXEdge; 10-24-2011, 08:45 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                        Its a shame for Libyans, they think these Western powers are going to cater for their needs, the best they will get is a few refugee cards and a payment of 20 pound a week, other than that, their oil deposits are open for Western and Arab oil companies to exploit and take.
                        !
                        you know this and yet you think western powers will cater to Afghanistan?

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                        • #13
                          Most of these blacks were working as mercenaries but not all.Killing mercyless old people and innocent libyans.
                          High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                          • #14
                            so because some blacks were mercenaries ......they should go around killing any blacks over there.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                              Most of these blacks were working as mercenaries but not all.Killing mercyless old people and innocent libyans.
                              Do I have to teach you another Lesson young chap. You speak of Black Mercenaries, but what about the Non-Muslim Kuffur student from America who joined the Rebels as follows:-

                              Libyan Rebels Banish U.S. Student Who Joined Fighting for Summer Vacation

                              The usual vacation spots apparently didn’t get 21-year-old UCLA student Chris Jeon’s adrenaline pumping. So a few months ago he decided to hop on a flight and join the Libyan rebels in their ground campaign against Gadhafi.

                              Jeon was quite a sight alongside the motley crue of Libyan rebel fighters covered in kalashnikovs and bandoliers of ammunition. The Christian Science Monitor described Jeon’s battefield dress as:
                              “A cobalt basketball jersey emblazoned with the words “Los Angeles” and the number 44, camouflage pants, and black and white Converse sneakers. Around his neck hangs a spent ammunition casing on a string, and a black and white scarf is wrapped around his head, courtesy of the rebel fighters.”
                              Jeon speaks no Arabic and was only able to communicate with the rebels in broken Italian. When asked about his motivations for joining the Libyan rebels, Jeon told the Christian Science Monitor:
                              “At spring break I told my friends a ‘sick’ vacation would be to come here and fight with the rebels. This is one of the few real revolutions, I just thought I’d come check it out.”
                              The most recent reports, though, indicate Jeon’s adventure tourism has come to an end. Al Jazeera English‘s Evan Hill tweeted that rebels decided they had had enough of Jeon, and despite his enthusiasm for ride-along Jihad, sent him home.
                              Jeon should count himself lucky. A father and son from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania joined the Libyan rebels as well, and they were killed instantly when a mortar round hit their vehicle.
                              Last time he was seen, Jeon was heading towards Benghazi on a pickup truck.
                              No word yet on whether Jeon will head to Syria next to “take in the sights.”



                              Afghanistan2010, your kind are just good for one thing, fighting for American/Zionist/Arab oil company interests. Thats all!

                              Libya will become nothing but a infested crap hole packed with Armed Jihadis who will turn their guns on their own fellow Muslims!

                              If you had any brain cells at all, you would know, that Qadafi brought Libya out of the "Middle ages", he brought development and education to the land, lets see what your kind bring in this deluded revolution of yours, paid by Nato and the Zionist lobby.

                              If you had any brain cells, you would know, the first person to introduce this planned invasion of Libya by Nato, was a Zionist Jew called Bernard Levy, who is a associate of Sarkozy, you bring Insult to the whole progressive Muslim society and community.

                              You want to infest the Muslim world with the same "trash minded individuals" who destroyed Afghanistan with Western/Arab/Pakistani dollars!

                              Have some Shame jolly ol chap!

                              Accept reality.....Libyan rebels would have been silenced and finished months ago if it wasnt for Nato's assistance.

                              You will always remain the proxy of the Kaffirs!

                              Hahaha!

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