Saudi Crown Prince Sultan dies

[Maulik]

LONDON | Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:44am IST
(Reuters) - Saudi Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul-Aziz has died, CNN reported on Saturday.

Prince Sultan, thought to be aged about 86, had been on a visit to the United States for medical tests. As well as heir to the throne of the world's top oil exporter, he was defence minister.

Saudi Crown Prince Sultan dies - CNN | Reuters

[sanman]

Saudi Crown Prince Sultan Has Died

Prince Sultan Bin Abdulaziz, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is now dead:

U.S. official: Saudi Crown Prince dies - CNN.com

[sanman]

There is speculation that the new crown prince will be Prince Nayef, born in 1934:

Crown Prince Sultan’s Death Starts Plans for Saudi Succession - Businessweek

[IamDZJ]

thousands of people die everywhere everyday under extremely bad circumstances. he was 84 or something so i am pretty sure he has a son or a grandchild who can take over. the end.

[muslim]

God bless his soul.RIP

thousands of people die everywhere everyday under extremely bad circumstances. he was 84 or something so i am pretty sure he has a son or a grandchild who can take over. the end.

he was a muslim and did good things too for muslim's, you didnt say this when Steve Jobs dead.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...82/index4.html
is it Hypocrisy?
hope you aint serious.

[IamDZJ]

saudi prince's goodness has not reached me. steve job's goodness has. [---EDITED---] take it as hypocrisy if you might.

[sanman]

Steve Jobs was half-Arab too, by blood.
His biological father was Syrian (gave him up for adoption after brief fling with a Jewish woman - [---EDITED---]

But the thing is that Steve Jobs cleverly created new value from nothing, whereas Saudi Royals simply pump their wealth out of the ground. No brains are required for that. That wealth should really belong to their people, and not the family.

[ScimitarXEdge]

yeah because no Pashtun guys do things like rape little boys or anything ..right Sanman ....by the way I know tons of Pashtun guys in New York and Virginia who knock up puerto rican and mexican....dominican girls ...don't live with blinders.

[sanman]

Well, I don't think becoming "born again" religious fundamentalist is the answer. That's like a backlash/rebound move. One shouldn't bounce around in life like a ball. Just show some moderation and judgement. Self-control is a good thing.

Likewise, I knew a Pakistani lady who used to wear all the short skirts and revealing clothes, and then one day after her separation from her husband she suddenly went for hijab and full covering, etc, visiting the mosque every day, etc.

If you go through some personal difficulties in life, perhaps because of bad judgement or poor self-control, then naturally there is a tendency to reach anywhere for some support - like religion, etc.

It's best to have a good picture of things and some good judgement before getting into trouble. Otherwise, then all the fundamentalist ranks are filled with those dumb people whose stupidity got them into trouble in the first place.

Strict religions then become a magnet or aggregator for people who have self-control problems. So if you want to find people with self-control problems, you know where to look.

[ScimitarXEdge]

that makes little sense logically speaking because it can be refuted by the concept of infinite regression. You can argue that any form of law, ordinance or social organization illicits a lack of self control in its members. Yet certain philosophies such as Rajneeshism and LaVeyanism identify a lack of self control as virtues, and such enabling doesn't produce the contraposisitive scenario.

The problem I have with your analysis is not that it's critical, but it's so shallow in it's scope, merely examining superficial apparancies, and making causational fallacies. One fails to examine the complex anthropological and sociological dynamic, the impact of mass consumption culture and Neoliberal Globalization in the scope of even conservative Muslims societies, which seems to more accurately account for the contradictions we often see.

Also it seems to assume that self control is something dependent on an ethnic or racial gradient, something any serious Anthropologist would shun resoundingly. One very easy falsifification is that Syrian-Arabs are actually only linguistically Arab, they were originally Indo-European peoples, hence why Syrians are phenotypically on the whole much different in appearance than other Arabs and culturally notably distinct. So would the rules of Arabs to Arabs of the Gulf apply to Arabs of Syria. Point being is people lack of self control has little to nothing to do with ethnic climate, but other stressors and imbalances.

One very irritating thing I find amongst Pashtuns is the idea that Pashtuns have some sort of enlightened society. Whether deeply Islamic or atheistic communists, Pashtuns are horribly flawed on the whole, because Pashtun culture/society is horribly flawed. So even apparent differences aside, the Atheist and Fanatic Pashtun share the same common modus operandi.

This isn't an attack on Pashtuns but a reminder that Pashtuns need to start showing a bit more humility as they tread this earth. It's time we call ourselves on our proverbial "bullsh*T"

[Karachi]

God bless his soul.RIP


he was a muslim and did good things too for muslim's, you didnt say this when Steve Jobs dead.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...82/index4.html
is it Hypocrisy?
hope you aint serious.

what good did he exactly do?? all these royal families are so corrupt and unislamic in reality, its amazing there are so many people out there who actually support them, no wonder the muslim world always gets bad leaders, its because people are the one who support them blindly

[sanman]

Scimitar, man that was a really long pedantic speech to parse thru. I didn't mention any racial factor there, anything can be a demographic. I feel that religions can gain or lose adherents much more flexibly, like any school of thought - in contrast to racial/genetic groups.

I think it's common sense that people who lack self-control or good judgement will turn to strict belief systems in times of crises (including self-inflicted crises due to personal deficiencies). I know people like that from personal experience.
The strict belief systems then become aggregators for such people. So you wind up with a demographic full of people who lack self-control, and who become stuck on the strict belief system because they're not smart enough to rationalize the real cause of their problems and get away from their primitivist beliefs. It then becomes a self-reinforcing cycle.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You make too many variables as givens, that's not sound argument. So then how do you explain the modern predominantly hedonic cultures of Europe?

[sanman]

I agree, there is plenty of hedonism in the developed world. But those people are culturally acclimated to turn to things like support groups, therapy groups, and other secularized traditions. There are some people who become "born again" type converts - you see this a lot in the United States. After suffering personal problems, they become super-fundamentalists and devoutly church-going. Because that religious tradition is there and within close reach, it becomes an easy branch to grasp at.

Steve Jobs himself had some kids through a fling, and then refused to admit he was the father. He later became a convert to Buddhism, because he says he felt it brought him peace. Oh well, at least he helped to enlighten the world by pioneering completely new ideas, products and services. They say he was a bit of a jerk, but that this might have also been why he was so bold in business and technology.

[abassinafghan]

may allah let him rott in hell