Is Qaddafi Dead?

[retro]

This morning, a BBC reporter in Libya spoke to a National Transitional Council fighter who told him that Muammar Qaddafi had been captured in Surt, holding a golden pistol. It is a measure about the uncertainty of his fate that, as far as anyone knows, it might well be true. There are also reports that he is dead, or shot in both legs, or still at large in the desert; a gruesome cell-phone picture that might be him or his corpse, but at any rate bloody; and that Surt had fallen, or hadn’t—I will be updating this post as we know more.

But here are some questions one can ask already: if he is captured, will he be tried, and by whom? If he was killed, how? As a prisoner or a fugitive? (That matters, even for him.)

Most of all, what comes next? Libya has suffered terribly under Qaddafi—as he put down their uprising, in Benghazi, in the siege of Misrata, now. It would be a mistake to draw lines too brightly—too ignore, for example, what might happen in the next triumphant days to the civilians of Surt. (The Washington Post had a report on the grim conditions in the hospital there.) Perhaps such circumstances will prove to have been a great crucible for a democratic future; that has not always been the case.
And we can’t forget our own role there. The Libyans seized their country with their own hands and now will build their own future. But our planes helped; we are involved. (Though Congress was not, or not adequately; we need to have a better domestic conversation about that.) We didn’t want to turn away from the people of Benghazi; what is our responsibility for the settlement after the storm? Maybe there was golden pistol: there are, in war and peace, very few silver bullets.



Close Read: Is Qaddafi Dead? : The New Yorker

[Soldat_Amir]

Libya has suffered terribly under Qadafi?????

Free education, free housing, free allowances for new parents, free scholorships abroad, a secular based system, pride of ones nation?

Or NTC...........Alqueda in charge of Tripoli, CIA/SAS agents controlling all political affairs, in fighting, tribalism, banditry, control over oil resouces, Western/Arab oil companies fighting over cheap oil prices, a starving nation thats exploited.


Retro...The two men, who happen to be both Jews, Henri Levy and Sarkoazy led this war once upon a Progressive Muslim government in favor of Alqueda and their Islamist militants.

Libya is facing the exact same position as Afghanistan was during the Najibullah years.

West with its Arab/Jew Islamist/Capitalists will exploit this nation dry over deluded claims of peoples rights etc etc etc.

Qadafi was a great man, and a good role model for Progressive Muslims, he liberated Libya from Western Anglo Grip, he was Pro Russian too, and in favor of a unified Eastern Europe without those Western European criminals, their Jewish partners and Arab allies.

If hes captured, he spoke his word and fought for his country against the same powers that once occupied it.

He is nothing to be compared with Taliban,Alqueda and co

In fact, America and Nato has given Libya directly to the hands of Alqueda leader Abdelhakim Belhaj!

[AFG21]

^ qadafi was president for 40 years, if he really was that good he would made reforms and made a strong democratic country. But no he only did those things that you mentioned above to hush the peopel but the peopel had enouf of him. He was so called secularist, he tride to combine islam whith communism, he faild, and what is happening in Lybia is his own fault. And don't compare him to Najibullah, there is a big difrence.

[khushal]

They will most likely kill him than capture him. His would be a difficult case in the Hague. NATO's interference was illegal in an internal matter. Western governments cozied up to him in his latter years. He did not invade any country nor can they prove that he ordered any killing of civilians.
A case for Prosecuting Bush for war crimes would be easier than prosecuting Quadaffi.

[khushal]

^ qadafi was president for 40 years, if he really was that good he would made reforms and made a strong democratic country. But no he only did those things that you mentioned above to hush the peopel but the peopel had enouf of him. He was so called secularist, he tride to combine islam whith communism, he faild, and what is happening in Lybia is his own fault. And don't compare him to Najibullah, there is a big difrence.

that can be said about any middle eastern country.

[AFG21]

^Yes and thats way they are all falling one by one.

[Soldat_Amir]

^ qadafi was president for 40 years, if he really was that good he would made reforms and made a strong democratic country. But no he only did those things that you mentioned above to hush the peopel but the peopel had enouf of him. He was so called secularist, he tride to combine islam whith communism, he faild, and what is happening in Lybia is his own fault. And don't compare him to Najibullah, there is a big difrence.

He nationalised the countries resources and gave it back to the people. Its not his fault that the greedy land owners and savage Islamists aided by Nato got the better of him.

The only resentment towards Qadafi during his years of power, was from the Libyan Islamic group, who happen to the same ****bags killing Afghan soldiers and Nato soldiers in Iraq.

Most of the rebels are criminals, alqueda, and bandits. Your telling me they represent the people of Libya?

Why are these "Fed up" people fighting eachother in Misra, why is are most of the NTC leaders connected with the Libyan Islamic group?

Why are SAS/CIA/Jordanin special forces, Qatari special forces guiding these "Fed up" people?

Of course I will compare him with Najibullah, because Najibullah received the same fate as Qaddafi.

[khushal]

^Yes and thats way they are all falling one by one.

no its not, why do you beleive that is the reason.

[al-arab]

Libya has suffered terribly under Qadafi?????

Free education, free housing, free allowances for new parents, free scholorships abroad, a secular based system, pride of ones nation?

Or NTC...........Alqueda in charge of Tripoli, CIA/SAS agents controlling all political affairs, in fighting, tribalism, banditry, control over oil resouces, Western/Arab oil companies fighting over cheap oil prices, a starving nation thats exploited.


Retro...The two men, who happen to be both Jews, Henri Levy and Sarkoazy led this war once upon a Progressive Muslim government in favor of Alqueda and their Islamist militants.

Libya is facing the exact same position as Afghanistan was during the Najibullah years.

West with its Arab/Jew Islamist/Capitalists will exploit this nation dry over deluded claims of peoples rights etc etc etc.

Qadafi was a great man, and a good role model for Progressive Muslims, he liberated Libya from Western Anglo Grip, he was Pro Russian too, and in favor of a unified Eastern Europe without those Western European criminals, their Jewish partners and Arab allies.

If hes captured, he spoke his word and fought for his country against the same powers that once occupied it.

He is nothing to be compared with Taliban,Alqueda and co

In fact, America and Nato has given Libya directly to the hands of Alqueda leader Abdelhakim Belhaj!

What a Kafir you are! Truly amazing.

And Libya is a Arab country if your little communist head has forgot this.

The tyrant is dead, the tyrant is dead. Alhamdulillah! Now Syria and soon Yemen! Insha'Allah!
الله أكبر

[Tjanaparh]

How say the chinese fairytale?

THE DRAGON IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE DRAGON!

And it will continue and continue everywhere, where people think that with violence you can stop violence. This will have continuation untill a big part of mankind won't change.


More I hear about politics more I respect the peoples of northern Russian Federation(the ones who live whole year in the northern fields and woods having their deer) - some of them havn't even got the word "war", because they never had it in their history.
That are people to admire - they are still independent - even if they ae part of Russia.
no tsar, no general secretary noone could force them to change.
The only thing of tecnology they took is the cellphone to comunicate better.
They do not destroy nature, they do not kill their brothers and give a reespect to mankind and nature. They take only that what they need to survive.
Long live the peoples of the north!

[muslim]

Qaddafi was crazy and no one would understand him. he was REALLY LEWNAI .

video of him being killed ,his pic and all.

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...201566639.html

[al-arab]

The tyrant is dead, the tyrant is dead!

الله أكبر

[AFG21]

no its not, why do you beleive that is the reason.

The reason is they were claiming to be secular and schit but it was not true. They used some of Islam and some of western ideologies to benefit themself.
On the surface they said to be secular, but the family lawas and women lawas were mainly like the ones of Sharia. But if you looked true economic they used a lot of western systems. And they dressed like westerners. So that peopel would think they are really progressive. Don't judge a book by its cover.

[AFG21]

How about his power abuse and torturing peopel. Imprisoning peopel who had difrent political view.

yes I heard about that too, that is true

I didn't say that. But Qadafi was to long on power he was 40 years president, what was he thinking the he was some kind of king.

I never heard of the fight between rebels in Libya

The same you could say way were communist in Afghanistan backed-up bij USSR.

Najibullah didn't rule Afghanistan for 40 years. No one should have so much power for so long. Power makes peopel corrupt.

[KhyberKhan]

I'm glad he's dead. The bulk of the fighters that uprooted him were fighting for Islam. They are sadly represented by secularist at the top. Hopefully they'll keep their guns or turn them in as a big bargaining chip to hold the areas they liberated under islamic law. The Libyans look like clever people and I don't think they are dumb enough to let the west ravage them of their resources.

Also, not surprised that commies in this this thread are dissappointed he's dead.