Ahmadiyya Muslim sect thanks Guardian for exposing hate

[retro]

Look at the Copts in Egypt right now - you think they're not being called stooges? But where are they supposed to go? What about the Aluwaites, Shias and Christians in Syria? Same thing. Meanwhile in Bahrain, it's the other way around - it's the Sunnis who are the elite pampered minority. Oh, but they still hire lots of Pakistani ex-soldiers to go over there and beat up the majority community.

The demographic transition in the Middle East favours the Shia and not Sunnis. As you point out Bahrain like Iraq has a Shia majority and the Saudis and their Paki coolies aren't a counter regionally to Iran.

[Soldat_Amir]

not me but my friends. also they act as if their beliefs are the same as other muslims, this is the biggest deceptive thing they do, they try to mingle with you

I agree probably not every ahamdi is like this but their missionary people are like this, i have met some myself, so i know

But this said, i dont condone any type of violence against them. They should have rights to practice what ever they want

Its all a conspiracy, the amount of Muslim Fundies/Tablighis knocking on the foors of Christian houses, its all a conspriacy, they try to mingle with you and become so deceptive!

Its all a conspriacy against the Ummah! Tho Shall Smash all Ahmadis!

haha thats just my humor!

Anyway, besides having a Panjo as a prophet, which i Dislike, would rather like a Malaysian instead, but find them to be very silent people who dont bother you much!

But I find a common thing with all faiths, everyone is out there to convert you!

Ahmedi,Evangalical,Wahabi,Salafi, Sunni,Shia, Catholic etc etc etc!

[AFG21]

^what kind of religion do you follow or do you have any at all Amir?

[akbarkhan]

**** pessimists. that is my point.

I am not a pessimist but even if I was I wouldn't **** you because it is haram, thanks for the generous offer though.

[akbarkhan]

If you tell me that this is already addressed in scripture, and that I have to pay you Jizya or something, I will tell you that you need to update your practices and beliefs.

Do you actually know anything about Jizya or have you just learnt the term and it is superficial meaning?

Do you know that if you are paying Jizya tax, you are basically paying less taxes than a Muslim and will getting the same access to public services!? Plus we as Muslims have to pay a yearly Zakat tax. Zakat is binding on our property, jewellery, businesses etc. Jizya tax is not binding on the property/jewellery of non-Muslims!

So if you actually do the numbers, a non-Muslim will pay less taxes in a Islamic country than his/her Muslim counterpart. Also, those who pay Jizya are exempt from compulsory military service. Put all of this together, in a lot of ways non-Muslims are better off living in Muslim countries instead of living in their own and paying up to 60% of their income to government taxes.

[Soldat_Amir]

I dont see the logic in hating Ahmadiyya at all, when Muslims themselves cant even figure out the Islam their Prophets followed.

Can anyone tell me what Islam was practiced during the Prophets time?

Thats what I mean................People will say it was Sufism, then how come I dont see any vocal or violent objection towards Wahabism, which was introduced only a few decades ago?

So whats the big hype with Ahmaddiyaa???

Why is it side lined, but other sects of Islam are allowed to flourish?

Its something to really really think about!

[Alchemist]

I dont see the logic in hating Ahmadiyya at all, when Muslims themselves cant even figure out the Islam their Prophets followed.

Can anyone tell me what Islam was practiced during the Prophets time?

Thats what I mean................People will say it was Sufism, then how come I dont see any vocal or violent objection towards Wahabism, which was introduced only a few decades ago?

So whats the big hype with Ahmaddiyaa???

Why is it side lined, but other sects of Islam are allowed to flourish?

Its something to really really think about!

To answer your first question: It was a perfect admixture of Suffism and Whabbism.


Actually now that I think about...you should really consider becoming an Qadiani. It has none of the elements you would want in Islam anyway. There is no Jihad! Also their leadership is supposed to be based from Punjab, Qadian..so they are mostly urdu speaking. And I am sure you are fluent in Urdu. They love British Raj! In fact they see it as their religious duty to help the Queen and her cronies. They are favoured by the British government, after all they funded and created them. So you would fit in nicely! I am sure you will be a devout and zealous follower.

[Karachi]

one thing i am not sure is why many non south asian countries follow Ahmadiyaa???

even in Jamaica lol: Jamaica Tv! Religious Hard Talk with Ahmadiyya - YouTube

[Alchemist]

^ What is true and will remain to be true is that there are few arabs that would ever convert to Qadianism.
Qadiani arguments rest on the meaning of arabic words in the quran. You can convince a jamican or a pakistani that the word "Rafa3a" doesn't mean raise up, or take high, but tell that to an arab and he will laugh at you.

They are trying very hard to convince the arab populace. I have seen their arabic television program, mem or something, but the arab viewers who call in to their shows are not taken in by them. The arabs find them them strange but because the show doesn't mention much of their flawed perceptions in regards to Isa ibn Maryam, they don't find them harmful. About 3/4ths of their shows are dedicated to salafi and whabbi bashing. They make it a point to associate mainstream muslims with mindless violence.

Personally I don't hold any grudge against qadianis. Heck, I find ****mitars beliefs to be pretty close to qadianiesm too. Same line of reasoning and exact type of propaganda.

[Catya Sher]

Sorry if this has already been covered in this thread,
as i just arrived at the last page.
But what ARE those wrong beliefs about Hazrat-i-Maryam ?

Regarding loyalty to British Raj - that's unbelievable!
Yet the Ismailis are and were the same. Agha Khan & son
were secret agents for the British in World War II -
and much decorated for their exploits to help the British...

[sanman]

And Qaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah is Ismaili.

Pakistan itself was a construct of the British, and its creation was encouraged by the British, in order to more effectively fight against the Soviets. And sure enough, within a few years of its creation, Pakistan was signed into military alliance with the West, under the CENTO treaty. What more proof do you need?

[Sultan]

My dear friends Ahmadis are Muslims and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited Messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmad(as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa).

[emkhan]

Universal punishment for the traitors is capital punishment in any law. So traitors are to be beheaded. That is what they deserve.

[Sultan]

When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.

[Sultan]

Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 56