Ahmadiyya Muslim sect thanks Guardian for exposing hate

[Maulik]

A minority Muslim sect says it still faces persecution from extremists but has praised efforts to stamp out discrimination in south London.

A year ago, this newspaper exclusively revealed shocking examples of Ahmadiyya Muslims, whose main mosque is in Morden, being openly insulted and discriminated by religious bigots who targeted their livelihoods and even their political candidates.

Ahmadiyya Muslim sect thanks Wimbledon Guardian and Wandsworth Guardian for exposing hate (From Your Local Guardian)

[JAMALUDEEN]

A minority Muslim sect says it still faces persecution from extremists but has praised efforts to stamp out discrimination in south London.

The Ahmadiyya religion does not believe, as most Muslims do, that the prophet Mohammed was the last messenger of Allah – a theological difference so serious it led to Ahmadis declared as non-Muslim heretics in Pakistan.

the contradictions..LOL

[gomal]

Gomal believes not in this falsehood.

Neither the Guardian nor the Ahmadiyyah are to be trusted.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a despicable man who has successfully diverted many righteous sheep from their path.

[IamDZJ]

politics and religion should not be mixed together.

[JAMALUDEEN]

politics and religion should not be mixed together.

and why is that? please elaborate

[randolph85]

ehh

these people use islam for street cred when they are really just another group entirely. reminds me of the nation of islam.

[randolph85]

politics and religion should not be mixed together.

politics would get in the way of religion, then.

in the western world where equality is the name of the game, supposedly, muslims are not allowed to live by their own laws because the political law of the land supersedes it. so its easy to say politics and religion shouldn't mix from a non religious standpoint while still pretending like religion still has a voice, but we both know thats not true at all.

so unless the politics and the religion u are talking about lives oceans apart, there is no compromise.

[sanman]

ehh

these people use islam for street cred when they are really just another group entirely. reminds me of the nation of islam.

Huh? What kind of ridiculous comment is that?

I know people who are Ahmadi Muslims, and they're just ordinary Muslims. Some whom I've seen are more pious than the average Muslim.

The problem is that too many fanatics tell tall tales and preach hatred against them, that many uninformed Muslims think they're horrible heretics.

They had an extra teacher named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - it's no big deal, really - not much different than Ismailis, or other Shia sects.

Gomal believes not in this falsehood.

Neither the Guardian nor the Ahmadiyyah are to be trusted.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a despicable man who has successfully diverted many righteous sheep from their path.

Likewise, Gomal - you should know better than to just believe in any old propaganda. They haven't done anything to contradict or deviate from Islam. You think Taliban and their manufactured Emir-ul-Momineem aren't deviating? Come on. In real Arabic, the plural of Talib is Tulaba, not this made-up name 'Taliban', just like the made-up name 'NWFP'.

and why is that? please elaborate

Hoo boy, this is like trying to explain calculus to someone who doesn't even know basic arithmetic. Total waste of time.

With guys like this, no wonder Pakistanis have to import everything. They can't even make bicycles without importing the parts from abroad.

[randolph85]

Huh? What kind of ridiculous comment is that?

their ideology is opposed to muhammad being the seal of the prophets. this being an islamic tenent. yet, they call themselves muslims.

its like someone calling themselves christians but denying that jesus is the son of god.

[sanman]

their ideology is opposed to muhammad being the seal of the prophets. this being an islamic tenent. yet, they call themselves muslims.

its like someone calling themselves christians but denying that jesus is the son of god.

No, when you say "opposed to seal of the prophets" you're just sensationalizing the fact that they have an extra teacher, Ghulam Mirza Ahmad. They don't equate him with the prophet Muhammad. Like I said, the Ismailis have their leader the Agha Khan, and my Ismaili friends swear to me that he is God's man on Earth, like the Pope, or an additional Prophet. So it's no different for them - and hell, Jinnah was an Ismaili - good ol' Qaid-i-Azam. So why scoff at others?

It's like when some Christians claim that Mormons aren't Christians, just because Mormons believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. Maybe you're one of those Christians who claim that - I dunno. I was watching Mitt Romney on TV, while he was campaigning in a crowd, and as he extended his hand to an old man to shake hands with him, the old guy bristled and loudly said "I ain't trusting or voting for no Mormon!"

So maybe you're like that guy - I dunno. But I don't see that everybody who comes from their sect needs to be treated like a pariah or a mentalcase. They're just a different sect, and I don't see the need to bar them from calling themselves Christian, or ostracizing them.

Too many people take religious dogma too seriously, to the point of obscuring ethics or values. If you reduce your Christianity or Islam to a mere brand or banner, then what good is it?

[randolph85]

except for the fact that this man that they follow, and name their sect after, claimed to be mehdi, a prophet, and with him final victory would come. oh, and he was a british stooge.

as for taking dogma too seriously, this man built himself upon dogma, one which rejected him.

[sanman]

except for the fact that this man that they follow, and name their sect after, claimed to be mehdi, a prophet, and with him final victory would come. oh, and he was a british stooge.

as for taking dogma too seriously, this man built himself upon dogma, one which rejected him.

there were a lot of people who were British stooges - if I had a nickel for every Christian leader who were worried about what would happen if the colonial masters left, I could pay off the US debt. That's the same all over.

Look at the Copts in Egypt right now - you think they're not being called stooges? But where are they supposed to go? What about the Aluwaites, Shias and Christians in Syria? Same thing. Meanwhile in Bahrain, it's the other way around - it's the Sunnis who are the elite pampered minority. Oh, but they still hire lots of Pakistani ex-soldiers to go over there and beat up the majority community.

Pakistani troops aid Bahrain's crackdown - Features - Al Jazeera English



Courtesy of Pakistan's Fauji Foundation - the Pakistani Blackwater.

When they're not fighting alongside the Talibs, then they're going abroad to terrorize the ordinary folk.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Hoo boy, this is like trying to explain calculus to someone who doesn't even know basic arithmetic. Total waste of time.

With guys like this, no wonder Pakistanis have to import everything. They can't even make bicycles without importing the parts from abroad.

My previous post was targeted at DaZahroJaam sister. Instead of wasting your time making personal remarks against me. Why don't you debate me on the matter and stop speculating.

[sanman]

What debate can one have with you? You haven't even told me what your standard of proof is. When one asks you that, you simply demur, and say you've mentioned it in the past. Well, I wasn't here when you allegedly mentioned it, so tell me now.

For someone who claims to believe in and respect God, you don't act like it. Surely God would not be pleased at someone who plays dishonest games the way you do. So if you do respect God, then why not show your respect by stopping your games and taking the time and effort to explain what your standard of proof is.

If Ahmadi Muslims are evil for revering Ghulam Mirza Ahmad as their spiritual guide, then why aren't other branches of Islam evil for doing the same thing?
What about your Taliban, who call Omar "Emir-ul-Momineen"? Aren't they giving unduly high status to this man, as if he was their Prophet? If all people are equal in the eyes of God, then why do they elevate this man and put him on a pedestal?

If Ahmadi Muslims think of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as their "Emir-ul-Momineen" then why would you begrudge them for that, if you feel the same way about your "Emir-ul-Momineen" Omar? It makes no sense.


You seem very delicate and highly sensitive to criticisms ("do not attack me!", "do not ridicule me!", "do not hurt my feelings!")
Big deal - grow up - be a man - and stop whining like a child everytime someone says something you don't like.

[emkhan]

They are traitors and the general law for a traitor in any country, any system is to execute them. So their destiny is capital punishment.