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    Iran warns Turkey over Arab World

    ( DP-News - thenational )
    The key military adviser to Iran's supreme leader told Ankara at the weekend that Turkey must reconsider its policies on Syria, the Nato missile shield and promoting Muslim secularism in the region.

    Otherwise, he warned, Turkey would face trouble not only from its own people, but from its neighbours, Iran, Syria and Iraq, because it was "acting in line with the goals of America".

    The characteristically undiplomatic outburst from Major-General Yahya Rahim-Safavi, an influential aide to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, highlighted Iran's frustration that Ankara's star is rising in the Arab world while Tehran's is declining. The outcome of the contest between the region's two major non-Arab Muslim states will help shape the future of the Middle East.



    Yet, experts say, Iran and Turkey have mutually beneficial relations that neither will want to see fray beyond repair.

    Relations between Iran and Turkey are becoming increasingly strained as they compete for influence in a changing Arab world.

    Sir Richard Dalton, a Middle East and North Africa expert at Chatham House, a British think tank, said: "Both are keen to maintain good economic ties. Iran has long tried to keep its commercial interests largely insulated from political difficulties."

    The Iranian regime watched with envy and dismay when Turkey's Prime Minister, Tayyip Erdogan, made a triumphal tour of North Africa last month. Before cheering crowds in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, he extolled Turkey's successful brand of secular Muslim democracy as a template for the Arab world.

    Mr Rahim-Safavi, the former commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, fumed that this was "unexpected and unimaginable", apparently wanting to claim that since the Egyptian people were predominantly Muslims, they would prefer a ruling system like Iran's, which places Islam firmly at its core.

    The Arab uprisings have been mainly secular in nature. But Mr. Khamenei has claimed they represent an "Islamic awakening" against dictatorial, Western-backed regimes, inspired by Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution. But Tehran is aware that its own model of a purportedly democratic Islamic government has little appeal in the Arab world.

    Television viewers in the Middle East are well-acquainted with the Iranian regime's draconian suppression of pro-democracy protests that erupted after President Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad's disputed re-election in June 2009. They are also aware that, despite its vast oil wealth, Iran is struggling to combat inflation and unemployment while Turkey's economy is booming.

    Nor can Tehran promote itself in the Arab world any longer as the leading rhetorical scourge of Israel and champion of the Palestinians. Mr. Erdogan has usurped that role far more convincingly.

    Economic ties also are enabling Turkey to increase its soft power in Iraq, where Iran had hoped to be the main post-Saddam commercial beneficiary, because of its good political relations with Baghdad's Shiite-led government. Even so, Baghdad is supporting Iran's stance, rather than that of Turkey's, on the Syrian uprising.

    Turkish pressure on Syria, Tehran's main ally in the Arab world, upsets Iran. Mr. Erdogan has taken a tough and proactive stand against President Bashar Al Assad's brutal response to the seven-month-old Syrian uprising. The Turkish premier predicted recently that the Syrian leader will be ousted "sooner or later", and is set to impose its own sanctions on Damascus. Turkey is also harbouring Syrian opposition groups and army defectors.

    Iran has a huge interest in Mr. Al-Assad's survival. His removal could sever Iran's umbilical cord to Hizbollah, Tehran's coreligionist ally in Lebanon, which gives the Islamic republic a cherished presence on Israel's northern border and enables Iran to project its power in the region.

    But it is Ankara's recent decision to deploy a NATO missile early-warning system in south-eastern Turkey that has most infuriated Iran. Tehran maintains this is a US ploy to protect Israel from any counter-attack should the Jewish state target Iran's nuclear facilities.

    "The missile defense shield is aimed at defending the Zionist regime," Mr. Ahmadinejad declared last week, while insisting it would not "prevent the collapse" of the Jewish state.

    Ankara counters that the radar system does not target a specific country and that Turkey had threatened to block the deal if Iran was explicitly named as a threat.

    Mr. Rahim-Safavi said trade ties with Turkey, which is an importer of Iranian gas and exports a wide range of manufactured goods to Iran, would be in jeopardy unless Ankara changes tack. "If Turkish political leaders fail to make their foreign policy and ties with Iran clear, they will run into problems," he warned in an interview with Iran's semi-official Mehr news agency on Saturday. "If, as they claim, they intend to raise the volume of contracts with Iran to $20 billion [Dh73bn], they will ultimately have to accommodate Iran."

    This hard talk ignores the benefits Iran derives from its relationship with Turkey. Ankara, which has huge commercial interests in Iran, has opposed Washington's uncompromising stance on Iran's nuclear programme, arguing for a diplomatic solution to the protracted standoff instead of sanctions.

    Iran and Turkey also have a common security interest in battling Kurdish rebels from each country that are based in northern Iraq. Sir Richard, a former British ambassador to Tehran, said: "Tehran and Ankara have a relationship that each regards as very important, although it's never been without its difficulties.

    "Iran will try to benefit where it can with Turkey, while continuing to be frank about its opposition to some of Ankara's policies."

    http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=99341
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    1. The US/West was seriously considering using Turkey to invade parts of Syria, earlier this year.

    However they have backed down. One key purpose of such an invasion would have been as part of the process of establishing Turkey (a US proxy) as regional hegemon and godfather of the entire Muslim world, meaning Turkey could direct the Muslim bloc to follow policies in US interests and against the EU, Russia, China etc.

    2. The Turkish media, including Fethullahci Zaman, were making heavy noises about a Turkish invasion of Syria.

    3. Turkey should respect Arab states as equals and not as slaves to do her bidding.

    4. Bangladesh has already defeated US proxy, Pakistan and the US sponsored Pakistan army. We will do what needs to be done against another US proxy, AKP Turkey.

    5. America should give up its dreams of creating a Turkish-led Muslim bloc, thus under US direction/control.

    6. Iran, itself can't push too far as they are not too popular in the region either e.g. Arabs, Sunnis and others.

    In contrast to Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Arab regimes and dictatorships, Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh are all responsibe members of the Muslim bloc, and should act against excessive Turkish/Arab nationalism/maglomania in the Muslim bloc, act as a force of moderation, restraint and balance.



    Muslims in the world's biggest Muslim country, and arguably richest Muslim country with the biggest economy.









    Jakarta.







    The powerful Indonesian armed forces, amongst the biggest in the world.



    Indonesia has one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, including joint production of state of the art fighter planes with South Korea. Indonesia defends a country longer than the whole of Europe.



    South Korea's ultra-modern T-50 which Indonesia is now working on as well.







    Indonesian naval products.



    Indonesia's satellite programme.

    Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh need to act as the voice of moderation and progress in the Muslim bloc, as opposed to the violent and aggressive middle east Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Pakistanis.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
      Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh need to act as the voice of moderation and progress in the Muslim bloc, as opposed to the violent and aggressive middle east Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Pakistanis.


      HAHAHA. You forgot Afghans.

      At least Arabs (true Arabs from Saudi), Turks, Iranians and Afghans never were dominated by western powers.


      If Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia had oil, you would be screwed too.

      As for Malaysia and Indonesia. I doubt if it will remain good muslim countries since Japan is bringing its f*cked up culture and the youth is becoming degenerate. The Future will tell us.
      Last edited by Al Hanif; 10-10-2011, 12:21 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post


        HAHAHA. You forgot Afghans.

        At least Arabs (true Arabs from Saudi), Turks, Iranians and Afghans never were dominated by western powers.


        If Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia had oil, you would be screwed too.

        As for Malaysia and Indonesia. I doubt if it will remain good muslim countries since Japan is bringing its f*cked up culture and the youth is becoming degenerate. The Future will tell us.
        1. Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh do not try to export their ideologies and political influence as Turkey, Iran , Pakistan and some Arab states do.

        a: Pakistan as a matter of foreign policy doctrine believes in a weak and unstable Afghanistan which will be subservient to Rawalpindi. It also sponsors radicals in Bangladesh, as well as extremists in India.

        b: Turkey tries to promote its influence and ideology extensively, including bullying Slav Muslims in Greece (Pomaks) to call themselves "Turks", invading parts of Iraq, bullying the Iraqi Kurds, threatening Syria, verbally abusing Saudi Arabia for accepting a Bahraini request to send in troops etc.

        Turkey is a bully.

        c: Iran promotes Shiasm and also Persian nationalism.

        The Arab states which do not seek to interfere in other people's business include Morocco, same as Afghanistan. Some Arab states however are big trouble makers.

        Malaysia is a federal state and a parliamentary democracy. Indonesia is a parliamentary democracy and has a philosophy called Pancasila. Bangladesh minds its own business and tries to make itself better, whilst providing humanitarian and social help. Recently the current Bangladeshi prime minister reiterated what her father said decades before that Bangladesh seeks to be a "Switzerland of the east".

        Indonesians and Malaysians are the biggest student group in Al-Azhar. Bengalis regularly win Quran competitions and have the largest Islamic gathering on earth.

        Bully boys, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and some Arab states need to calm down with their aggression and maglomania.

        Do not use the "f***" word in relation to my posts or

        1. Your post may be reported in the future.

        2. I may place you on ignore, whereby all communication with you will be terminated.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          1. Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh do not try to export their ideologies and political influence as Turkey, Iran , Pakistan and some Arab states do.
          Indeed, they don't export but they import their ideologies from Japan, South Korea and India.

          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          a: Pakistan as a matter of foreign policy doctrine believes in a weak and unstable Afghanistan which will be subservient to Rawalpindi. It also sponsors radicals in Bangladesh, as well as extremists in India.
          Since when did I said I support Pakistan ?

          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          b: Turkey tries to promote its influence and ideology extensively, including bullying Slav Muslims in Greece (Pomaks) to call themselves "Turks", invading parts of Iraq, bullying the Iraqi Kurds, threatening Syria, verbally abusing Saudi Arabia for accepting a Bahraini request to send in troops etc.

          Turkey is a bully.
          I don't support Turkey either.


          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          c: Iran promotes Shiasm and also Persian nationalism.
          Same for Iran.

          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          Malaysia is a federal state and a parliamentary democracy. Indonesia is a parliamentary democracy and has a philosophy called Pancasila. Bangladesh minds its own business and tries to make itself better, whilst providing humanitarian and social help. Recently the current Bangladeshi prime minister reiterated what her father said decades before that Bangladesh seeks to be a "Switzerland of the east".
          Democracy is shirk. Why do you praise it ? "Switzerland of the east" because of usury : microcredits... ?

          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          Indonesians and Malaysians are the biggest student group in Al-Azhar. Bengalis regularly win Quran competitions and have the largest Islamic gathering on earth.

          Bully boys, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and some Arab states need to calm down with their aggression and maglomania.
          Pakistan has nukes, Turkey is a military power and its economy has 10% growth. Iran has the fastest scientific growth in the world. Its is the only muslim country with both a nuclear and spacial program.

          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          Do not use the "f***" word in relation to my posts or

          1. Your post may be reported in the future.

          2. I may place you on ignore, whereby all communication with you will be terminated.

          You call Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Pakistanis violent and aggressive. That's extremely racist. I could report you too... but since you're my brother in faith I won't use such methods

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          • #6
            NEW YORK, September 20, 2011 — "The Switzerland of the East" isn't a title most would associate with Bangladesh. Yet this is an impression Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina would like to forge.

            Speaking at the Asia Society on Tuesday afternoon, Hasina mentioned the central European nation as a role model for her own country, citing the two countries' similar position as crossroads amid much larger powers.
            Without a doubt, Bangladesh has a long way to go before anyone confuses it with one of the world's most prosperous countries. In recent years, however, the Bangladeshi economy has shown impressive growth, averaging six percent even during the recent global economic slowdown. According to the prime minister's prepared remarks, all sectors of the economy — agricultural, industrial and services — have shared in the growth, and 90 percent of annual public expenditure now comes from domestic sources.
            On top of this progress, Bangladesh has enormous economic potential, not least due to its geographic location. Situated between India and Southeast Asia and only a short distance from China, Bangladesh is positioning itself as a regional economic hub...

            "We want to become the breeze between East and West," remarked Sheikh Hasina.

            http://asiasociety.org/policy/strate...angladesh-rise

            India = 1.2 billion + market (market bigger than the whole of the EU or NAFTA, or EU & NAFTA combined)

            China = 1.3 billion + market, same as above, biggest market on earth, bigger than the EU or EU & NATA combined.

            ASEAN = 600 million

            China, India, ASEAN = market of 3 billion (50% of the world), Bangladesh is in the middle of all three markets.

            Switzerland is only in the middle of a 500 million economic market (EU & EFTA), our potential market is 6 times bigger.



            Europe is an aging and old continent with economies such as Greece, Iceland experiencing bankruptcy. The UK in a severe recession and members of parliament here warning of a repeat of the August riots. An aging market of 500 million.

            Bangladesh is next door to the Asian Tiger economies, and the Asian cubs (Thailand, Philippines) and the Asian kittens (Myanmar and Cambodia), as well as China and India the two largest countries on earth who are developing rapidly.



            Not Switzerland but Bangladesh's higher-altitude Bandarban region.



            Shopping centre in Dhaka.













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            • #7
              Al-Hanif, you have now been placed on ignore.

              Suffice to say I am not saying every Arab/Turk/Iranian/ is violent, but their region is unstable, the culture there is more aggressive and tribal (Bengalis/Malays do not have tribes or "tribal honour" or "honour killings") and even the peoples of that region boast about their supposed military prowess in comparison to calmer Bengalis/Malays who do not think they are God's gift to the universe, whereas Turks boast of the Ottoman Empire, Iranians of the Safawi or pagan barbaric empires of the Persians, and Arabs with their superiority complex of being the only true Muslims (with non-Arab Muslims not even being considered as actual Muslims by some of them).

              The replies to your posts above will be the last time I attempt to engage with you. Unless you improve your manners or behaviour I do not wish to interact with you.

              * Conversation terminated *

              - Bengal Tiger.

              By the way, for others, I was primarily refering to the political actions of their states (Arabs,Turks, Iranians) and the mentality of their regimes/security-military nexus. Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh do not think of themselves as major powers, or successor to former empires whose "destiny" is to regain their former imperial "glory" and "grandeur". Pakistani nationalists feel it is their destiny to ultimately invade and conquer India. Turkish nationalists feel they are superior to all other Muslim countries and feel that following Islam makes you an "Arab", and their destiny is to either revive neo-Ottoman influence or a fully westernized state (Kemalists goal), or even "Turan" (greater Turkish state from Bulgaria to Siberia), many Arabs feel they are the only true Muslims and dislike non-Arab Muslims.
              Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 10-10-2011, 01:53 PM.
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              • #8
                Mr. Bengali Tiger, I agree with you on every word that you have said to this Arab...

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                • #9
                  Omg, toramana please dont agree with him, he speaks a load of nonsense, yeah some of what he is saying is true....but he has an inferiority complex, he sees himself as beneath them, he needs some healing. One thing that has been skirted, yes this is an afghan forum, but like al hanif said, bengal tiger forgot afghans. A lot of what he is saying could include afghans too, but bengal tiger is a desperate suck up.

                  In itself, these stuckup aggressive attitudes are displayed by arab, turks iranians AND afghans....




                  But guess what it's shown my BENGALIS, MALAYSIANS AND INDONESIANS too...

                  Trust me I am Bengali, I love bengali culture, for me it is the second best culture in the world (after the islamic one) as I'm sure evryone loves their culture...I also LOVE indonesian culture... But
                  Bengali Tiger needs to stop hating against any countries/peoples... he "clarifies" later that he means it at the gov't not the people, but then why does he refer to it as violent/agressive arabs, iranians etc...
                  thats' to do with people, he needs to grow up and stop caring about race so much and while my religion is the most imortant thing to me ever, sometimes i can get a long better with a nice non muslim than a rude muslim, so he needs to broaden his mind!

                  Bengal Tiger, fix up!

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                  • #10
                    Omg, toramana please dont agree with him, he speaks a load of nonsense, yeah some of what he is saying is true....but he has an inferiority complex, he sees himself as beneath them, he needs some healing. One thing that has been skirted, yes this is an afghan forum, but like al hanif said, bengal tiger forgot afghans. A lot of what he is saying could include afghans too, but bengal tiger is a desperate suck up.

                    In itself, these stuckup aggressive attitudes are displayed by arab, turks iranians AND afghans....




                    But guess what it's shown my BENGALIS, MALAYSIANS AND INDONESIANS too...

                    Trust me I am Bengali, I love bengali culture, for me it is the second best culture in the world (after the islamic one) as I'm sure evryone loves their culture...I also LOVE indonesian culture... But
                    Bengali Tiger needs to stop hating against any countries/peoples... he "clarifies" later that he means it at the gov't not the people, but then why does he refer to it as violent/agressive arabs, iranians etc...
                    thats' to do with people, he needs to grow up and stop caring about race so much and while my religion is the most imortant thing to me ever, sometimes i can get a long better with a nice non muslim than a rude muslim, so he needs to broaden his mind!

                    Bengal Tiger, fix up!

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