Jihad against Muhajir?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Sure Zia might have propped up MQM to counter PPP in sindh but ISI no longer supports them.The goal of MQM is to create a separate jinnahpur for mohajirs through division of sindh.
Is ISI in favour of division of pakistan and creation of jinnahpur?
Pakistans intelligence and security agencies had launched an operation against mqm in 1992.

Actually the MQM had some legitimate goals and that was to address some of the discrimination being faced by Urdu-speakers.

As for "Jinnahpur", that is an accusation which the MQM have rejected and apparently has been confessed to having been made up by the army. However Jinnahpur is real in the sense that if Pakistan were to ever break up then "Mohajirs" (Hindustanis) would not want to be part of an independent Sindhi state, especially as they consider Sindhis as inferior but an independent Mohajir state of "Jinnahpur" (name is unimportant, concept is).

Mohajirs had always been strong Pakistani nationalists and centrists from the start and the Jamat i Islami had been their traditional party and they are still strong Pakistani nationalists now.

The truth is they are looked down upon as inferior by Punjabis and others, and feel aggrieved by that, though their own Hindustani racism (I as a Bengali have experienced their racism) and superiority complex is fine.

They believe in the inherent superiority and "more Islamic" nature of their Hindustani Neo-Mughal culture and feel that all Muslims should assimilate to that, and they will never abandon their Urdu or Hindustani culture to be, say for instance citizens of an independent Sindh.

The goal of the MQM currently is a Hindustani-dominated Karachi within the federation of Pakistan, a strong Pakistan with complete rights for "Mohajirs". The goal of an MQM/Hindustani dominated Karachi means that the ANP/Pashtuns must be stopped or expelled in their eyes.

This is delusional as Pashtuns are going as far as Qatar and the UAE on the western side of the Arabian sea for work, so surely they will go to the eastern side within a country they supposedly belong to, Pakistan.

As I said:

West Pakistan, Hindustani nationalism was defeated by Ayub Khan.

East Pakistan, Hindustani (Bihari) nationalism was defeated by Colonel Osmani, Khaled Musharraf and other generals of the Bengali liberation army.

South Pakistan, it seems they are going to be defeated for once and for all, not by the Sindhi PPP or Bhutto, or by Naseerullah Babar and the army, or by the Punjabi Taliban but by the ANP and in particular Pakhtuns from FATA and Balochistan.

The ANP may do what the Mukhti Bahini did in 1971 and give a conclusive and decisive defeat to the Hindustani desire for domination, supremacy, and political, economic and cultural hegemony.

[graveyardofempires]

YouTube - ‪ANP Shahi Syed Is In War With MQM RAW Trained Target Killers‬‏

[gadoonwal]

shahi syed is brave man.Him and his arm men are kicking hard the indians.
i spoke to a friend and he said that many indains also fled the pashtun dominated areas for safety.
pashtuns have no support but fighting back while the indains got strong support from ,,isi,,and napaki establishment.
At least here the ,,anp,,sind under the leadership of shahi syed defending all pashtuns.It has got nothing to do with asfandoyar.He is ,,isi,,child.

[graveyardofempires]

whats with the red circles on the guy holding the ak47 in the video.
as if pukhtane are nto to carrying weapons to protect themselves in a hostile country where the security institutions are takign part in massacring pukhtane.

time to wake and make them smell the dhaal.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Shahi Syed and other Pashtuns in Karachi, started a jirga-based, tribe-based action group for Pashtuns in Karachi, "Pashtun Action Committee" and it was only later that the main ANP leadership in Pekhawar were involved in making him the leader of the ANP in Sindh, otherwise who knows Pashtuns in Karachi may have been independent of the ANP, as they are in Quetta where they follow Mahmood Khan Achakzai and the PMAP.

There is no way the MQM can, in the long run, do anything against the 7 million Pashtuns of Karachi, who can also call upon support from Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, FATA, even Punjabis (there was a common Pashtun-Punjab ittehad against the MQM before) and even as far as some of the tribes of Afghanistan.

The MQM have lost this war before they even started it.

[gadoonwal]

i asking simple question pathans
dont you have zameer??? Dont you feel pain for your brothers
killing dying in waziristan mission after mission in swat
in bajaur in momand in orkazai in khyber in khurram???
All while hiding real tterrorists leaders protection by isi
military generals in military town supporting by panajabi
terrorists orginization jamat da waha all while doing this
dirty business pakhtunn dying in name of war on terror
yet dirty napakis dancing disco having sexy fun time
with black water??????

You have no shame??? You ask no question???

Why not protest and say heyyyyy you dirty nation!!!
Say heyyyy you dirty army!!!!!! You say al qeada in wazristan!!!
You say osama in pakhtun villages!!!! You say terrorists in pakhtun homesss!!!!
But here osama in military town biggest military town
all this time you killing innocent tribale pakhtuns with drones
reciving military aid in billiions never one drone attack in
sindh not in panajab but all drone attacks military operations
all looking for terrorist in pakhtun areas

but terrorist hiding in militery town????????

Why dont you ask ohhh you coward pathanss???
Dont you have brains whats going on???
Don you see what is going on????
Osama golden chicken!!!!
Be bringing dollars every month
while napak army torture kill humiliate pakhtuns
asking innocent pakhtuns where osama? Where taliban?
While actually hiding them???


WASHINGTON: A cell phone used by Osama bin Laden’s courier appears to show that he was aided by the Harkatul Mujahideen (HuM) militant outfit, The New York Times said on Thursday.

Citing US officials who were briefed on an investigation into the phone, the Times said calls from the device were traced to HuM, which it said is linked to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). It cited US officials as saying the cell phone showed that the group’s commanders had called Pakistani intelligence officials. The newspaper cited one US official who said the two parties had met.

“It’s a serious lead,” one US official told the Times. “It’s an avenue we’re investigating.”

Another US official told the daily that the link was not, however, a “smoking gun” that definitively linked bin Laden to the ISI, as it was unclear whether any calls were related to him.


LOOK AT VIDEOS IN SIGNATURE
NOW THINK ALL THIS HAPPENING TO INNOCENT PAKHTUNS
WHILE REAL TERRORIST HIDING IN MILITARY TOWNS
PROTECT BY ISI AGENTS AND PANJABI TERRORIST JAMAT DAWA
WHO LEADERS UNDER PROTECTION BY ISI ARMY ALSO

ANY PATHAN PROTEST AND ASK NAPAK ARMY HEEEY WHY
YOU KILLING MY PEOPLE????? YOU SAYING YOU DID NOT KNOW
OSAMA IS HIDING IN MILITARY TOWN??? YOU SAYING YOU DID NOT
KNOW JAMAT PEOPLE YOUR TRAINED MILITANTS LINKING WITH
THESE PEOPLE YOU SAY YOU DIDNT KNOW WHILE HE HIDING
NOT IN VILLAGE BUT A MILITARY TOWN FULL OF COMMANDERS
GENERALS POLITICS ARMY SCHOOL RICH PEOPLE
LIVING IN MANSION????

YOU THINK WE STUPID?????

NO PATHAN PROTEST
LOOK AT EGYPT
LOOK AT TUNSIA
LOOK AT SYRIA
THEY HAVE MORE GAAARAAT
THEY NOT EVEN KILLED
THEY NOT EVEN HAVE DRONE ATTACKS
THEY NOT EVEN BEING SOLD TO BLACK WATER
THEY JUST FIND LITTLE CORRUPTION NEWS
AND THEY PROTESTING

YET PATHANS YOU BEING FOOLS
AND YOU STILL NOT PROTESTING???
WHATS WRONG???

WHAT HAPPENED???

TOO MUCH LASSSI DAAL CHAPAAATI??????

kabalia ,,mung ta pegoruna kawai khpal grewan ki hum wagora.
dostum,fahim aw hazaragu darsara sa lobai nadi karai halta staa gerat aw pakhtu cherta wah?.
da shamali seemu sakha e da topak pa zor washaralai halta staa gerat cheria woo?
dostum aw hazaro da pashtanu mermano ezatona ahestia woo da hagao perzad mu hum sa ,,laarun,,ya protest karia woo?.
i fully aggree with you that pashtuns in pashtunkhwa and karachi should stand against its enemy punjabi establishment but stop this ,,pagor,,and be realistic.They should work against the interest of pakistani govt.
I am calling on them to stand for their ture identity ,,pashtunistan,,,and get rid of the punjabi state.
Did your leader or people it present ever said a single word for the support of pashtuns in pakistan?
when the ,,isi,, and napak army was bombing swat,momand,kurma,terah etc where was your govt and pashtun hamid karzai and people?
The bombing of waziristan by napakis and ISAF continue so do your people and govt ever said something against napakis not to bomb pashtuns.
on the other side pashtun nationalists like mahmud khan achakzai sb of pakhtunkhwa map and anp leaders openly critisized the napki govt for its interfaring in afghan affairs.
you should get rid of punjsheris and other persains and pashtunize your country before you teach us.
pashtuns inshallah will crush the indains and i hope will get control of this port city.

[Yaggi]

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[Shehbaz Khan]

First of all as per the video, as Aab-e-Hayaat said it's the dumbest video of the century. The problems of Pakhtuns in Karachi could never be solved by such videos.

Coming to the point as a few brothers of mine commented that Mohajirs/MQM is getting support from Army or ISI, currently.

This is the biggest mis-conception we have today, no doubt MQM was formed by Zia Ul Haq to counter PPP in the city of Karachi but that doesn't mean that til date they are getting support from ISI/Army. Infact they aren't getting any sort of support from either, It's a fact that it was Army and the intelligence agencies who conducted an operation against them in the past decade. So it is very clear from those operations that MQM is not having any support of ISI/Army.

After all we Pakhtuns must not blame Pakistan Army/ISI/CIA etc etc for our problems try finding a solution...

[Shehbaz Khan]

whats with the red circles on the guy holding the ak47 in the video.
as if pukhtane are nto to carrying weapons to protect themselves in a hostile country where the security institutions are takign part in massacring pukhtane.

time to wake and make them smell the dhaal.

Nobody can carry Un-Authorised weapons legally. So those red circles are to show why are those people carrying the weapons. If you must be really un-aware, these red circles are there when people in any rally of any political party whether, PTI, MQM or PML(N) have weapons.
Plus, If ANP is really the follower of Non-Violence why are they carrying these rifles (Chukles, no need to answer this last line:p)

[Shehbaz Khan]

shahi syed is brave man.Him and his arm men are kicking hard the indians.
i spoke to a friend and he said that many indains also fled the pashtun dominated areas for safety.
pashtuns have no support but fighting back while the indains got strong support from ,,isi,,and napaki establishment.
At least here the ,,anp,,sind under the leadership of shahi syed defending all pashtuns.It has got nothing to do with asfandoyar.He is ,,isi,,child.

Shahi Sayyed is the most dumb man ever, sold the blood of the hundreds of Pakhtuns killed on 12th May? Where was he? Do you have nay idea how cheap that blood was he just took 12 crore to keep his mouth shut, you have any source in ANP, they will confirm you that. Plus do you know in the past elections he told one of his candidates not to stand in the election and to with draw his documents as he had some deal with MQM on that seat. He is just a person hungry for money, and that's it.

As In my earlier post I had said that MQM has got support from none, plus if you really have access to Pakistani Televisions, watch along with the killings of the Pakhtuns they are also showing those dead bodies in the ambulances of KKF, Khidmat-e-Khalq Foundation and than count which bodies are more in number. That's not a blame game, this is all just politics, dirty politics in Karachi.

Under the leadership of Shahi Sayyed they are doing nothing, And If Asfandyar is the child of ISI than what you think of Shahi Sayyed being the child of Asfadyar Khan? So ..

[Karachi]

Shebaz, i am not karachi, what is the ground level situation there?

These killings are so pointless, its clear they are done on purpose to destablize the city and pakistan itself. MQM is definatly not working in the national interest of pakistan. Some people say it was formed to break up the country. its probably true.
Many urduspeaking people themselves are sick and tired of these people, but they can't really do anything since MQM is in 80% of the city

[Shehbaz Khan]

Shebaz, i am not karachi, what is the ground level situation there?

Like always, the situation gets better after the brutal killing of the common man after a few days, and now it's getting better.

These killings are so pointless, its clear they are done on purpose to destablize the city and pakistan itself. MQM is definatly not working in the national interest of pakistan. Some people say it was formed to break up the country. its probably true.
Many urduspeaking people themselves are sick and tired of these people, but they can't really do anything since MQM is in 80% of the city

Not many I will say 80% of the Urdu speaking are against MQM.. I daily meet around 80-90 Urdu speaking friends and among those 5-6 are MQMers. No political party over here is working for the national interest, they all are using the bloody common man for their personal benefits and that's it ..

So I am not a person who will blame only MQM for all these things happening in Karachi, yes they are a part of it ..