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    CHONGQING, China — One dark night last December, a woman begging for
    money in a suburb of China’s largest city was hit by a truck.


    For more than an hour, she lay on the side of street moaning and crying for
    help. Nobody responded to her pleas. Those who heard her calls thought
    she was just another melodramatic beggar, trying to con passersby out of
    money. When someone finally did come for her, it was only to finish the
    job.


    It took two months to find her body and reconstruct what happened.
    Police still don’t know the women’s identity and have released very little
    information about her. But they say Tian Huobo, the 23-year-old truck
    driver they arrested this spring, intentionally killed the woman after first
    running her over accidentally.


    Tian hit the beggar with his truck and sped home, police say. He then
    found himself unable to sleep or calm down, so he returned to the scene to
    kill her and put the whole thing behind him. It almost worked, until someone
    found the woman’s body off the side of the road and police decided to
    investigate.


    The gruesome story would be troubling enough on its own. But the fact is,
    it’s just the latest among similar incidents across China in recent years.
    In the past two-and-a-half years Chinese media have reported on at least
    10 other hit-and-run cases where the driver is believed to have
    intentionally killed someone or knowingly let them die after first accidentally
    running them down.


    Just recently, a court upheld the death sentence for 21-year-old music
    student Yao Jiaxin of Xi’an. In December, Yao stabbed to death a
    26-year-old waitress he had hit with his car. He later explained that he
    thought if the woman survived the accident, she and her family might

    “badger me and my family endlessly for compensation.”


    Several of the hit-and-kill cases have involved children, including a
    horrifying one of a man in an Audi in Jiangsu province running over a
    3-year-old four times.


    Chinese netizens, typically appalled at the incidents, point to underlying
    problems with China’s medical care, insurance and legal systems. In short,
    it’s cheaper to kill someone in China than be responsible for a lifetime of
    medical costs.


    Victims’ families generally can’t bring costly lawsuits against the
    perpetrators, but rather must rely on a carefully proscribed compensation
    formula when someone is killed. The driver is typically responsible for
    medical costs, rather than an insurance company, if the victim lives.

    A driver might have to pay $40,000-$50,000 for running over someone and
    killing them, but paying medical bills for a seriously injured person for
    months on end can easily and quickly outpace the price of death.


    It all sounds very logical, but Chinese social scientists say there’s
    something beyond the simple economics of killing someone. The problem
    goes to the heart of much deeper and potentially dangerous troubles in
    this society.


    With a rapidly increasing wealth gap and little emphasis on morality, money
    has become more important than anything, experts say. China’s younger
    generations frequently view money above all else, so make decisions often
    not based on what’s right or wrong.


    The gruesome hit-and-runs are just one troubling manifestation of poison in
    the society, said one outspoken professor who didn’t want his name used.
    He listed China’s ongoing food safety problems, systemic corruption and
    the government’s own crackdown on artists and writers as further
    symptoms of a breakdown.


    But Mai Ai, a sociologist and the China University of Political Science and
    Law, said it’s unclear whether these incidents are actually on the rise if
    media reports have played them up. In any case, he said, there are
    underlying problems that need to be addressed.


    “It shows people don’t have the idea of responsibility; this is not only
    about the drivers in these situations, but is a general phenomenon,” said
    Mai. “When people are in a stressful situation, they ... try to avoid taking
    responsibility.”


    “What is more, there is a lack of respect and fear of life among the people.
    They think life has different values, that, 'Mine is more important than
    others,'” he said.








    That's one of the problems of a heavily secular society. Morality often comes second to personal monetary gain.
    ---
    To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
    own inclinations and desires
    .


    -Imam al Ghazali

  • #2
    Add capitalism to a godless society and morality ceases to exist. Everything is looked at as asset and liability where asset is always right and liability is always wrong. You see this in the West as how they treat their elders by putting them in a nursing home and neglecting the compassion and love that they need.

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    • #3
      nothing like the fine examples in the arab lands right now, showing us what compassion is all about . right kushal?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by faye View Post
        nothing like the fine examples in the arab lands right now, showing us what compassion is all about . right kushal?
        Give me an example Faye. The only place compassion has ceased to exist in Arab land is in their governments. The people are some of the most compassionate in the world.

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        • #5
          give me an example khushal.

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          • #6
            OK. Do Arabs leave their parents in a nursing home and let strangers take care of their parents and trust strangers to give them the love and compassion that parents deserve in their old and fragile state from their children like this.
            YouTube - ‪Police: NJ Health Worker Assaulted 91-year-old‬‏

            or this
            YouTube - ‪Horrors in the Nursing Home‬‏

            In Arab culture, if you hit someone accidentally with a car, they will do everything possible to keep the victim alive because if the victim dies there are serous consequences from the victims family. An injury is not as serious as a death. Also there is fear of the consequences in the hereafter. If the godless bunch who don't believe in the hereafter like in china, what incentive is there for them to do the right thing.

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            • #7
              so, the kind actions are done, not because of compassion but because of fear of a reprimand. that doesn't pass the test with me. i believe in and have compassion and empathy because it is from my heart not from fear.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by faye View Post
                so, the kind actions are done, not because of compassion but because of fear of a reprimand. that doesn't pass the test with me. i believe in and have compassion and empathy because it is from my heart not from fear.
                Tell that to the Chinese that accidentally hit people and then come back and finish the job by killing them so they dont have to pay hospital bills.

                What the article says to us is that in china it is cheaper to compensate if the victims dies in the accident rather than injured in the accident. Most people will take the cheaper alternative so you will see a higher rate than normal of people killing the injured party rather than helping them. In America and other western countries it is a more productive lifestyle if you live in a old parent(liability) free atmosphere rather than spending time and resources to take care of them which would be compassion. If you say you have compassion and the vast majority of the people in the country you live in have that same compassion than I would assume that the vast majority of the elderly in Australia live with their caring and compassionate children. But the evidence is the contrary. These kinds of behavior is systemic. The system in the society dictates what the vast majority of the people will decide what is compassion and what is not. What will become social acceptable and what will not. You have people from the East moving to the west and they find this system of taking care of the elderly appalling. But then they realize that their children who grow up in the west gives in to the system and find themselves in those nursing home.

                Also I am still waiting for an example that you promised me.
                Last edited by khushal; 06-06-2011, 01:35 AM.

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                • #9
                  I was driving through downtown 5 in the morning when I saw a homeless man bleeding from his head and mouth lying on the street...and some other homeless men sitting some distance from him. An Ambulance came from the opposite direction and one of the homeless men waved the ambulance down...but it didn't stop and just kept going on its own route. I am pretty sure the first responders noticed that messed up old man lying on the street bleeding ... I am sure if he were wearing a suit and a tie they would have stopped for him.

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                  • #10
                    Of course they would have.

                    A guy in a suit and tie would be considered an asset, someone worth saving because he can pay. But the homeless one is a liability, no one cares what happens to them.

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                    • #11
                      khushal, in case you haven't noticed, the whole world is littered with humans inhumanity to humans. everyone needs to take stock of their communities and countries and SELVES to work to create a finer reality upon this planet. these articles that point out deviances from kindness are a bit pointless in my view, because there are gazillions of them and within all races. the muslim race is not immune from cruelty and callousness.
                      actually there is said to be a very large amount of chinese becoming christians. now THAT is interesting.

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                      • #12
                        In Kabul a homeless guy came to the house and my family gave him food and water because it was sadaqah. They are poor themselves and don't have much to give but they did anyway. Most families do that since it is encouraged by our religion.

                        But in London if a homeless guy knocks on your door, chances are he'll be drunk and will spend any money you give him on his drug habit. For that reason people usually tell them to 'f*ck off'. Here homeless people are not valued at all, they are seen as pathetic induviduals who are to weak to make it in our society, called 'tramps' and 'hobos'. They are told to go and help themselves when it is not as simple as that. Not all homeless people here are that way because of their own failures, increasingly more are losing their jobs or run away because of family problems. But people don't care about that. A hobo is a hobo and should be despised.

                        Our religion enforces giving to the needy through Zakat. All Muslims must give 2.5% of their surplus wealth to the needy. Regardless of their itentions wherther they do it to please God or out of compassion, the homeless still benefit a great deal more than they would without such a system in a secular society. Then there is Sadaqah which is giving out of compassion which is not mandatory but it heavily encouraged.
                        ---
                        To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
                        own inclinations and desires
                        .


                        -Imam al Ghazali

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                        • #13
                          @Faye,
                          You are missing the point. Reread my post about these things being systemic. You live in a society with a huge amount of resources at your disposal. You have no idea how the other 90% of the people live in this world whose resources are being plundered. You believe you have compassion because you have plenty and may give a little that does not even effect your life.
                          I'll give you another example. In the US hospitals used to make patients stay and care for them until they were ready to take care of themselves and the insurance companies were paying the bills. So the insurance companies bought all the hospitals and now the hospitals kick out the patients on the same day as the surgery and tell them to go find someone in the home to take care of them. Also the insurance companies have policies that require Doctors to spend as little time as possible with each patient.
                          In the west you have both parents that are forced to work long hours, this reduces their time and energy with their children. Many children grow up without the love of their parents because their parents were never there. the parents are out of touch with their kids. Once apon a time a family could make it with one parent working just 8 hours a day.

                          @Haris
                          In the West most homeless people have substance abuse problems ie alcoholics or drugs and some have mental illness. there are institutions that are actually provided that can put them back on their feet but most do not take advantage of them because the addiction has control over them.
                          In poorer countries, the homeless are people that are actually poor who can not afford shelter or food and the resources are not there to help them.

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                          • #14
                            khushal, do you see compassion as a material possession? like, 'oh, i have a bit to spare in my back pocket, have some.' maybe you don't yet understand what compassion is. you may not have seen a previous post where i mentioned that i lived poor, with the poor people in india for 2 years. also in nepal for 9mnths. i didn't have money in the bank, i lived off what i earned on a daily basis from portrait sketching. so get off your high horse on that one. i don't make promises khushal:>) there would be no point anyway as you choose to keep your head in the sand. i've now said what i need to say on this subject. not interested in going around in circles with you, khushal.
                            Last edited by faye; 06-06-2011, 02:27 PM. Reason: addition

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                            • #15
                              In the godless Chinese society abortion is decided once the parents find out it is a girl. This is decided because of the one child policy and traditionally boys have been the breadwinners, so most parents want a boy vs girl. I have also heard this is becoming common practice in India as well.

                              So Faye, if you were about to be born in China or India, there is a good chance you would be aborted and thrown in the garbage as if you were garbage, so you get off your high horse about thinking that man's law is better than god's law.

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