Pakistani PM visits China

[єѕαρχαι]

lol about the trade deal, esapxai. After US it is Afghanistan that is your second largest export market, not even EU or any other country. You don't need to have a conrtact for Chinses imports, it will come your way.

Well refrain from "your" , I do not support establishment here.

But trying to tell you that china is a close ally of Pakistan.

Check what the chinese say
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...13883966_2.htm

[emkhan]

Well refrain from "your" , I do not support establishment here.

But trying to tell you that china is a close ally of Pakistan.

Check what the chinese say
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...13883966_2.htm

True ... This is a universal reality

[Nokia_Apridy]

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[ComradePashtun]

Well refrain from "your" , I do not support establishment here.

But trying to tell you that china is a close ally of Pakistan.

Check what the chinese say
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...13883966_2.htm

It depends how and where you use "you", it can have a differnt connotation from the literal meaning. Any way..

I know about China more than what you can ever get to know from Chinese official and semi-official Chines sites. I have studied and taken classes in Chinese foreign policy, but thank you. If you read what I stated in my posts and you could provide an answer I could appreciate that.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I don't really see much to these visits other than political posturing due to the situation in the region. In terms of pure trade, I don't see Pakistan really offering anything that China wants (bar minerals which are in under-developed and/or unstable areas). I really don't see it, it is good rhetoric, but ultimately is it worth it for China..I doubt it. I think Pakistan serves as a good hedge against India and Gwadar port, but that is it.

[khushal]

I don't really see much to these visits other than political posturing due to the situation in the region. In terms of pure trade, I don't see Pakistan really offering anything that China wants (bar minerals which are in under-developed and/or unstable areas). I really don't see it, it is good rhetoric, but ultimately is it worth it for China..I doubt it. I think Pakistan serves as a good hedge against India and Gwadar port, but that is it.

The only asset Pakistan has currently is that it is too big to fail. America keeps bailing it out because it fears the consequences for the region if it destabilizes. I doubt America will just keep bailing it out forever, eventually they are going to have to dismantle it and give half of the liability to the Indians and the other half to the Afghans just like a failed corporation that's too big too fail.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

The only asset Pakistan has currently is that it is too big to fail. America keeps bailing it out because it fears the consequences for the region if it destabilizes. I doubt America will just keep bailing it out forever, eventually they are going to have to dismantle it and give half of the liability to the Indians and the other half to the Afghans just like a failed corporation that's too big too fail.

That could happen, but then again it depends on the US's ultimate goals in the region. Also what stake the new regional powers like India, China, and Russia want. I agree that Pakistan is a too big too fail syndrome and that has to do with its large population, highly militarized state, etc. One too many recipes for disaster. Further, who would want to pick up the liability of a dismantled Pakistan (provided this happens)?

[khushal]

That could happen, but then again it depends on the US's ultimate goals in the region. Also what stake the new regional powers like India, China, and Russia want. I agree that Pakistan is a too big too fail syndrome and that has to do with its large population, highly militarized state, etc. One too many recipes for disaster. Further, who would want to pick up the liability of a dismantled Pakistan (provided this happens)?

If you do look at Pakistan as a failed corporation that just keeps needing a bailout. One has to wonder the US policy makers are thinking. Is it cheaper to dismantle it or is it cheaper to change the management that will get rid of its feudal system and its militarization. Who will pick up the pieces, I think India economy can absorb the majority of it and Afghanistan will benefit by having access to the Indian ocean. It would be a win win situation for Afghanistan and to the inhabitants west of the indus.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Well unity definitely will benefit Pashtuns in the long term, but a sudden dismantling would cause more harm than good and ultimately we have to ask ourselves on what terms will these changes happen. Again it depends, what does US want from the region and where does Pakistan fit in it....where does it fit with the other regional powers?

[ComradePashtun]

That is a far-fetched thinking, I don't think Pakistan will disintegrate. In case of it happening, I doubt India would want any piece of it.

[khushal]

That is a far-fetched thinking, I don't think Pakistan will disintegrate. In case of it happening, I doubt India would want any piece of it.

Well that whats they said about yugoslavia. India will be happy because it would get rid of its headache on its western border.

[Toramana]

[Toramana]

I wonder why is faye so sympathetic towards Pakistan.

But anyhow, Pakistan and China are getting closer to each other because both countries feel international isolation. By getting closer to China, Pakistan''s ruling elite wnats to warn the West that pressuring it would be a mistake causing Pakistan to be lost to China. Moreover, according to some analysts, Chinese know they cannot fill the gap if left ever by the US in terms of cash and budgetary support.

[randolph85]

That is a far-fetched thinking, I don't think Pakistan will disintegrate. In case of it happening, I doubt India would want any piece of it.

but there is a real possibility of it becoming like afg of the past or somalia. the bail out analogy was a good one, its just too big for the US to want to see it fail.

pakistan has great potential as a state but it has horribly placed priorities. around 100 nukes but a huge electricity shortage, a military industrial complex that produces advanced balistic missiles, but horrible poverty. a state that could concievably compete with the best economically but instead uses petty terrorist groups. the examples are endless.

history has shown that the pakistani state doesnt want to be anything more than what it is, its a failure in nation building.

you are right about india though, i seriously doubt they would want to incorporate any pakistanis into india in the event of a collapse. pakistan has always been more of a liability than an asset, i am sure the chinese will eventually figure this out.

[KhalsaWarrior]

India surely doesn't want any piece of Pakistan. A stable Pakistan is good for India. If it disintegrates, its fragments would be even more dangerous than Pakistan in its intact state.

Regarding China, I think India will soon move Pakistan out of the picture. Commerce wise India has more to offer to China than Pakistan can ever muster. Its only the mutual distrust and geo-political games that are stopping us. China is India's second biggest trading partner with USD50Bn worth of annual trade while India is 11th or 12th for China. So there's tremendous room for improvement for India. If we can build trust, solve our border disputes and increase trade, India can easily out-maneuver Pakistan and make it irrelevant to Indo-Chinese relations. And already there are signs that this is happening. Trade is increasing and jingoism is lower than previous years. Its just a matter of time.