Karzai says no to US Permanent military bases

[khushal]

for clearity afghan people dont know "politics" and believe Karzai if he says something good to happen and that makes them "hopeful",so when Karzai play "politics" and dont deliver this will backfire on him.
so if he says no to permanent bases than it simply means this issue is beyond him and it is historical incorrect decision and if he agrees with it he will have big problem with Afghan PEOPLE.

i understand the views of randolph etc seeing it from an "informed" angle.
In Afghanistan people just perceive it differently and these "bigger picture story" would be irrelevant for them to form their opinion.

You are correct but in politics dirty games are played. When Karzai speaks against this, what that tell me is its not his decision. I believe they are going to bring the issue to the parliament. Remember in parliament, the vast majority are Hazara even though their population is a minority. But all this planning was done in advance, you had a lot of fraud done in favor of Hazara especially in Ghazni where every single seat was won by hazara even in Pashtun districts. Do you think the Hazara wants to see the US leave. During this whole US invasion no one has benefited more than the Hazara.
When parliament votes in favor of it, Karzai is off the hook because he says it was not his decision and he worked hard against it. These are all games being played out.

[faye]

so why are so many hazara becoming refugees?

[graveyardofempires]

You are correct but in politics dirty games are played. When Karzai speaks against this, what that tell me is its not his decision. I believe they are going to bring the issue to the parliament. Remember in parliament, the vast majority are Hazara even though their population is a minority. But all this planning was done in advance, you had a lot of fraud done in favor of Hazara especially in Ghazni where every single seat was won by hazara even in Pashtun districts. Do you think the Hazara wants to see the US leave. During this whole US invasion no one has benefited more than the Hazara.
When parliament votes in favor of it, Karzai is off the hook because he says it was not his decision and he worked hard against it. These are all games being played out.

Do you really think hazaras can make such a decision about Afghanistan?
that too will backfire on them cuz again that will be called illegitimate and historical incorrect and i dont believe they will do such a thing.

Things arent that black and white either about the ethnic situation in Afghanistan.

Offcourse there is this typical play going on but Afghanistan is not a typical place.

[ghundal]

Afghan Interior Minister Says Karzai Against US Permanent Bases

Afghan Interior Minister Says Karzai Against US Permanent Bases


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Afghan Interior Minister Says Karzai Against US Permanent Bases
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Sunday, 24 April 2011 19:49 Written by Wali Arian


President Hamid Karzai is against establishment of US permanent military bases in Afghanistan, Interior Minister said on Sunday.
After the Afghan House of Representatives summoned security officials to brief the house on security situation which is being unprecedentedly worse in recent weeks. Interior Minister and Deputy Defence Minister appeared before parliamentarians to answer some security questions.
Speaking in the commission of domestic security affairs of parliament, Interior Minister Bismellah Mohammadi said currently the focus is more on strategic partnership between Kabul and Washington.
"Nobody accepts the discussion of US permanent military bases and the government also rejects it," Interior Minister Bismellah Mohammadi said.
During the briefing Deputy Defence Minister Enayatullah Nazari said more than 1820 insurgent groups are operating in Afghanistan that are related to bigger insurgent networks.
When asked about defence ministry assailant, Mr Nazari said "one thing is clear for us that the attacker couldn't have entered into the ministry without having a link within the ministry."
Last week on Monday Afghan defence ministry's main building came under attack from a would-be suicide bomber who was shot dead before detonating his explosive vest.
Two Afghan army soldiers along with an ANA officer were killed in the incident.
Once again Interior Minister emphasised that resolving security challenges wouldn't be viable until insurgent havens outside Afghan borders are not demolished.

[khushal]

Do you really think hazaras can make such a decision about Afghanistan?
that too will backfire on them cuz again that will be called illegitimate and historical incorrect and i dont believe they will do such a thing.

Things arent that black and white either about the ethnic situation in Afghanistan.

Offcourse there is this typical play going on but Afghanistan is not a typical place.

Its not just hazaras, all the parliamentarians are bought and sold, there was no real election. Americans will make the decision and no one else. The real question is will they succeed in making it seem legit. Will the show be a masterpiece with award winning actors.

[faye]

I used to wonder why women on this forum were rarely involved in political discussions. I understand now that it's because they are either ignored or belittled.

[khushal]

I used to wonder why women on this forum were rarely involved in political discussions. I understand now that it's because they are either ignored or belittled.

What is this about?