Pakhtun elected as deputy speaker

[ComradePashtun]

Graveyard,
What makes you so sure that you are absolutely right? What is with this anoying condescending attitude bro? Unlike you my source of information is not Western media outlet and in this particular case I know what I'm talking about, mind you.

[ComradePashtun]

In fact when Taliban were sweeping through Hezb territories even Gulbadin himself joined Rabani, does it make him part of the same gang? My ignorant friend, he was a commander of Hezb and rather than joining Rabani/Massoud (whose dogs are the enemies of Afghanistan today more than any one) but some one else is good enough to know.

[graveyardofempires]

so he is hezbi islami?
in the government?

[ComradePashtun]

Asking such questions only crystalises the enormous gap between your minimal understanding and how politics and the situation in Afghanistan is. Just google even that will educate you that segment of Hezb Islami is part of the government. At one point one third of all governors were hezbi, with few members of them in cabinet (Farooq Wardak, Khoram, and now Arghandiwal) and around 30 legislators. Call Kabul and ask a random Tom, **** and Harry and he will tell you what the situation situation is. New figures show (check a report by Kabul Centre for Strategic Studies) that there is a hezb group of parliamentarians and they make up around 50 MPs, almost 20% of the house and force to reckon. I am just reading some stuff at the moment if you want I let you read them showing that they are the most organided Pparty etc. I asked a friend who works for the parliamant and knows alot and he is saying the speaker is from Hezb group.

[randolph85]

hezb i islami has a strong presence in the government.

hell, gulbo is nearly part of the government himself.

[graveyardofempires]

Asking such questions only crystalises the enormous gap between your minimal understanding and how politics and the situation in Afghanistan is. Just google even that will educate you that segment of Hezb Islami is part of the government. At one point one third of all governors were hezbi, with few members of them in cabinet (Farooq Wardak, Khoram, and now Arghandiwal) and around 30 legislators. Call Kabul and ask a random Tom, **** and Harry and he will tell you what the situation situation is. New figures show (check a report by Kabul Centre for Strategic Studies) that there is a hezb group of parliamentarians and they make up around 50 MPs, almost 20% of the house and force to reckon. I am just reading some stuff at the moment if you want I let you read them showing that they are the most organided Pparty etc. I asked a friend who works for the parliamant and knows alot and he is saying the speaker is from Hezb group.

there is a difference between hezbi islami and ex hezbe islami.
there are also taliban in the government that doesnt mean The taliban ar ein the government and the house speaker is not hezbi Islami.
he was part of hezbi islami and later jumped on another wagon.
hezbi islami has clear points and one of them is they will not join the government unless the foreign troops leave,how does these "members" fit in there?

[randolph85]

there is a difference between hezbi islami and ex hezbe islami.
there are also taliban in the government that doesnt mean The taliban ar ein the government and the house speaker is not hezbi Islami.
he was part of hezbi islami and later jumped on another wagon.
hezbi islami has clear points and one of them is they will not join the government unless the foreign troops leave,how does these "members" fit in there?

lol dont be naive. there is official rhetoric and there is unofficial behind the scene politics.

both factions of the group are close to each other. they are playing both sides of the game. there are delegations sent by gulbo traveling to kabul weekly. that part isnt even a secret, these are official delegations. gulbo also sent a delegation to kabul to welcome the eu's ambassador to afghanistan.

hezb i islami is an officially registered political group in the government, with past hezbi leaders/members in it, who are close to gulbo and are working to bring him into the government right now.

[randolph85]

ironically, the hezb in kabul probably has more power than the hezb in the mountains of kunar.

[ScimitarXEdge]

To all the Salafi types

UnSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS NEED TO STOP!!!!

[salahuddin]

Sangar has a special authentic hadith which allows him to declare other Muslims Sikhs, Hindus, Kafirs, Murtads and liars without any proof and on mere emotional farts.

Sangar tactics are of a bazari mullah, like bijligaar. He makes good entertainment, although at the expensive of Islam. I can just imagine the kind of punishment waiting for people like him. Using Islam and Musalmaniyat as a tool to insult other Muslims and people. It's so sad, that in their sick, twisted minds, people like him actually think they'll be rewarded, or are doing a favor for Islam.

He claims he is a representative of "true" and "authentic" Islam, how unfortunate.

Wrayun, would'nt you say Sangar is a good example of what happens when one takes religion too seriously.

Sangar at times makes point that some Muslims like to hide under the matt.

Wrayun, every Muslim out there claims to follow the true and authentic Islam, that is why Islam is divided and will be until its reformed.

Man invented the hadith without even living with Mohammad, Islam is a translation by a man, so obviously you are going to find Sangar types, its natural, that is relgiion for you.

The reason why there are people like Sangar in Islam, is because he focuses mainly on the Military side of Islam than the peaceful side, Islam is the only religion in this day and age, which also preaches a Military form of itself.

No point sugar coating it.

[salahuddin]

Sangar

Haqqani is a well known ISI spy and slave of the Hindu Pirs lol

[ScimitarXEdge]

no people like Sangar exist because they dont take religion seriously enough, they believe in the concentration of secondary features of worship rather than morality, character building and general social welfare, ideas like shirk are taken grossly out of context. People taking things out of valid context is indication they're not taking things seriously.

As for military aspect? So what? There's no disagreement that there are peaceful and militant aspects on Islam, but both are enshrined within Islam and both have contexts of validity. The problem is, are they being applied and emphasized relevantly?

The hadith are not "all" fabricated that is pure nonsense and historically disproven by existing parchment that date back to the 7th and 8th century.

[graveyardofempires]

lol dont be naive. there is official rhetoric and there is unofficial behind the scene politics.bing nave s whenyou beieve everything coming out out of the regulated media.hezbi islami has as much involvement in politics as the taliban do.


both factions of the group are close to each other. they are playing both sides of the game. there are delegations sent by gulbo traveling to kabul weekly. that part isnt even a secret, these are official delegations. gulbo also sent a delegation to kabul to welcome the eu's ambassador to afghanistan.
would you like to disclose the source of what you are saying here.

hezb i islami is an officially registered political group in the government, with past hezbi leaders/members in it, who are close to gulbo and are working to bring him into the government right now.

with past hezbi islami leaders
so you are telling me that hezbi islami members are on the side of invading forces?

[Wrayun]

Wrayun, would'nt you say Sangar is a good example of what happens when one takes religion too seriously.

Sangar at times makes point that some Muslims like to hide under the matt.

Wrayun, every Muslim out there claims to follow the true and authentic Islam, that is why Islam is divided and will be until its reformed.

Man invented the hadith without even living with Mohammad, Islam is a translation by a man, so obviously you are going to find Sangar types, its natural, that is relgiion for you.

The reason why there are people like Sangar in Islam, is because he focuses mainly on the Military side of Islam than the peaceful side, Islam is the only religion in this day and age, which also preaches a Military form of itself.

No point sugar coating it.

Mr. Pukhtikawa, Mr. Maseed,

If anyone should know and understand Sangar, it's you. You see, when I look at Sangar, and you, I see the exact same thing, just at the opposite spectrum of things. You two are the different sides of the same coin. You both have a lot in common, and in fact, would make good friends.

Both of you lie to save your face. Both you will insult anyone and everyone even at the slightest disagreement. Both of you are Western raised, bred, confused, and looking for an identity. Both of you are proud of whatever tribal cave you crawled out of. Both of you lack the ghairat, to be considered Pukhtoons, though you vigorously claim you are. Both of you are the same age, and probably have gone through the same experiences i.e. once were atheists, liberals, religious, supporters of Talibs etc. and now have rebelled against the previous positions. No matter how many times your fallacies are exposed, due to your superficial, unwarranted self importance, and ego, you continue to beat the dead horse of an argument you have. Both of you have been banned. Both of you have insulted respected members, including female members. Both of you are doing a disservice to the people that you actually claim to represent. You insult atheists, liberals, for being that **** you are. And he insults religious people, traditionalists and conservative people, for the **** he is. On and on and on and on...

I also know for a fact, that in reality, you both are living contradictions to what you preach here on this platform.

I can go on and on about the similarities between the two of you. Maybe your both related. It's uncanny.

[ComradePashtun]

Graveyard, my ill-iformed and stubborn friend arguing with is wate of time. Brotherly advise; learn more and talk less. Laka mach har zaay kshe bangazhee.