Islam will dominate the World! Inshallah

[KhalsaWarrior]

Yes of course.

When you become a citizen of a country, you take an oath of allegiance.

If you're a citizen of the country, you have pledged your loyalty to that country.

If you take up arms against the country you pledge your loyalty to, it's treason. There's no other option to consider.

That is very simplistic. If that was the case, there would have been no new nations ever. When atrocities pass a certain mark and rights are trampled upon, a person is bound to question and prioritize his allegiance. It is to be to his so called political nation or the nation of his people? Who is his Quam?

[KhalsaWarrior]

He wasn't anyone high up the ranks. But isn't that unimportant. It's more the prediction that was correct regarding Bongabungee that was important here.

Let's say King Tutankamen made a prediction and it turned out to be correct. You would have to say it was correct.

Now let's say a nobody made a prediction and it turned out to be correct. Wouldn't you have to admit it was correct also?

Tutankamen is such an easy word to spell.

[roadrunner]

That is very simplistic. If that was the case, there would have been no new nations ever. When atrocities pass a certain mark and rights are trampled upon, a person is bound to question and prioritize his allegiance. It is to be to his so called political nation or the nation of his people? Who is his Quam?

This is too subjective. Where do you draw this line/mark?

It could be that people are just racists and feel victimized, when they are not being.

[KhalsaWarrior]

This is too subjective. Where do you draw this line/mark?

It could be that people are just racists and feel victimized, when they are not being.

Absolutely. Victimization is temporary and can be addressed or could have been addressed in BD's case. The fact that it didn't happen proves that it was more than that. And I am sure you're aware of history yourself. Would you call it perceived victimization? That the Bengalis are/were racists? Why wasn't Mujib allowed to form a govt at Islamabad when he had won the elections in 1970? Do you know of Operation Searchlight?

[roadrunner]

Absolutely. Victimization is temporary and can be addressed or could have been addressed in BD's case. The fact that it didn't happen proves that it was more than that. And I am sure you're aware of history yourself. Would you call it perceived victimization? That the Bengalis are/were racists? Why wasn't Mujib allowed to form a govt at Islamabad when he had won the elections in 1970? Do you know of Operation Searchlight?

This is a silly statement.

Victimization is temporary if it is genuine victimization, and can be addressed.

Victimization is permanent if it is pseudo victimization based on racist feelings. This cannot be addressed whatever you try.

Therefore, when you say that it didn't happen and therefore proves something more, it proves that it was pseudo victimization.

Hope you follow this.

[KhalsaWarrior]

This is a silly statement.

Victimization is temporary if it is genuine victimization, and can be addressed.

Victimization is permanent if it is pseudo victimization based on racist feelings. This cannot be addressed whatever you try.

Therefore, when you say that it didn't happen and therefore proves something more, it proves that it was pseudo victimization.

Hope you follow this.

In fact I would say its the opposite. Genuine victimization cannot be treated. Because we are assuming that the perpetrators will be able to realize their faults and then take correct measures. But if its genuine then the perpetrators are really racist or bigots and are incapable of taking the correct steps.

Anyway, why don't you just stop beating around the bush and tell me if you think that the Bengalis were in fact racists and had wrongly perceived notions of victimization at the hands of the West Pakistanis?

[roadrunner]

In fact I would say its the opposite. Genuine victimization cannot be treated. Because we are assuming that the perpetrators will be able to realize their faults and then take correct measures. But if its genuine then the perpetrators are really racist or bigots and are incapable of taking the correct steps.

This is rubbish.

Genuine victimization can be treated because all it takes is for the perpetrators to be fair, and the victimization will disappear.

Faked victimization based on the racial feelings of the "victim" cannot be treated whatever the "perpetrator" does.

Anyway, why don't you just stop beating around the bush and tell me if you think that the Bengalis were in fact racists and had wrongly perceived notions of victimization at the hands of the West Pakistanis?

Of course they were racist! Every single bangladeshi voted for the Bengali political party!

But this wasn't really a problem. It is more a symptom of the society at the time if anything.

Victimization was generated in the Bangladeshi alternative media that touched on this hidden racist streak.

[Espresso]

khalsa bro ignore this pathetic guy he is a known troll he keeps derailing every threads trust me he is not worth any attention just put this pakistani troll in ignore list

Troll runner this thread is about islams dominance
& not about pakistan bangladesh problem got it
pashtun forum is an respectful website & not some fantasy pakistani one so stop derailing every thread got it

[KhalsaWarrior]

This is rubbish.

Genuine victimization can be treated because all it takes is for the perpetrators to be fair, and the victimization will disappear.

Faked victimization based on the racial feelings of the "victim" cannot be treated whatever the "perpetrator" does.

Lets agree to disagree then.

Of course they were racist! Every single bangladeshi voted for the Bengali political party!

But this wasn't really a problem. It is more a symptom of the society at the time if anything.

Victimization was generated in the Bangladeshi alternative media that touched on this hidden racist streak.

I am sure this was all faked victimization -

1971 Bangladesh atrocities
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Beginning with the start of Operation Searchlight on 25 March 1971 and continuing throughout the Bangladesh Liberation War, there were widespread violations of human rights in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) perpetrated by the Pakistan Army with support from local political and religious militias. Time reported a high U.S. official as saying "It is the most incredible, calculated thing since the days of the Nazis in Poland."[1]
Bangladeshi authorities claim that 3 million people were killed,[2] while the Hamoodur Rahman Commission, an official Pakistan Government investigation, put the figure as low as 26,000 civilian casualties.[3] The international media and reference books in English have also published figures which vary greatly from 200,000 to 3,000,000 for Bangladesh as a whole.[2] A further eight to ten million people fled the country to seek safety in India.[4]
Many of the murdered intellectuals were victims of the collaborators of Pakistan Army: Razakars, Al-Shams and Al-Badr forces,[5] at the instruction of the Pakistani Army.[6] There are many mass graves in Bangladesh, and more are continually being discovered (such as one in an old well near a mosque in Dhaka, located in the non-Bengali region of the city, which was discovered in August 1999).[7] The first night of war on Bengalis, which is documented in telegrams from the American Consulate in Dhaka to the United States State Department, saw indiscriminate killings of students of Dhaka University and other civilians.[8]

Numerous women were raped, tortured and killed during the war. The exact numbers are not known and are a subject of debate with some sources quoting figures as high as 400,000. One of the more horrible revelations concerns 563 young Bengali women, some only 18, who were held captive inside Dhaka's dingy military cantonment since the first days of the fighting. They were seized from Dhaka University and private homes and forced into military brothels, with some of the women carrying war babies being released.[9]
There was significant sectarian violence not only perpetrated and encouraged by the Pakistani army,[10] but also by Bengali nationalists against non-Bengali minorities, especially Biharis.[11]
On 16 December 2002, the George Washington University's National Security Archive published a collection of declassified documents, consisting mostly of communications between US embassy officials and USIS centers in Dhaka and India, and officials in Washington DC.[12] These documents show that US officials working in diplomatic institutions within Bangladesh used the terms selective genocide[13][14] and genocide (see The Blood Telegram) to describe events they had knowledge of at the time. The complete chronology of events as reported to the Nixon administration can be found on the Department of State website.[15]
Every major publication and newspaper in Bangladesh and some international publications on genocide and human rights abuses use the term genocide to describe the event.[16][17][18][19][20

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[roadrunner]

Lets agree to disagree then.

You can disagree but can't provide a reason as why. I conclude therefore that you just want to say you disagree to not be shamed by the loss of your argument.

I am sure this was all faked victimization -

I could quite easily argue this with solid links to disprove all this, as I have done before.

But I'm not interested in discussing such things at the moment.

If you want some hard links that disprove this, then look up Sarmilla Bose's research and the academic seminar in the US where Bangladeshis claim Bangabonga added an extra zero to the casualty toll "by mistake".
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Look
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971 by Sarmila Bose « Pakistanthinktank313's Blog (banned in Bangladesh this one)

[graveyardofempires]

toraghow destroy Pashtun with his/her lie's

[KhalsaWarrior]

You can disagree but can't provide a reason as why. I conclude therefore that you just want to say you disagree to not be shamed by the loss of your argument.



I could quite easily argue this with solid links to disprove all this, as I have done before.

But I'm not interested in discussing such things at the moment.

If you want some hard links that disprove this, then look up Sarmilla Bose's research and the academic seminar in the US where Bangladeshis claim Bangabonga added an extra zero to the casualty toll "by mistake".
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Look
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971 by Sarmila Bose « Pakistanthinktank313's Blog (banned in Bangladesh this one)

I know about Sharmila Bose's research. Quite a good analysis. But apart from the fact that numbers were exaggerated it still doesnt take away the fact that atrcoities were committed.