Why Pakistan produces Jihadists?

[Nadir Shah]

^wait, Kashmir is getting attacked by two terrorists though.

Terrorist army of Pakistan and India.

The epicentre of terrorism in South/Cent Asia is Pakistan.

[Son of Mountains]

The epicenter of terrorism + drugs mafia in south/cent asia is Afghanistan.

[Son of Mountains]

@pakistani
if Nadir shah can conclude such remarks, then why cannot i conclude?

[Nadir Shah]

What brings you to that conclusion.

The fact that Pakistan has supported terrorist organization in all it's nieghbouring countries. eg Islamic Emirate of Taliban in Afghanistan, TTP and Jalaluddin Haqqani in Pukhtunkhwa, Jaish e Mohammad, Lashkar ye Taiba, Harkatul Ansar, Harkatul Mujahideen, Al Badar Mujahideen in India and Kashmir, Jundullah and Mujahideen e Khalq in Iran, East Turkistan Islaimc Movement in China. The Central Pashtunkhwa has been made a safe haven for terrorists from all over Cenntral Asia (Uzbeks, Tajiks etc).

South Punjab has an assortment of terrorist organization operating with the help of the establishment eg Sipah e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jhangvi.

Muridke is the centre of the Jammat ud Daawa terrorist group.

[tor_khan]

One should avoid dealing in absolutes. There's no such thing as absolute evil and there's no such thing as absolute good. In the West, saying that Hitler was a good orator would be processed and understood as, "the holocaust was a good thing". Similarly, saying "there are certain good aspects of Islam" is understood as "I want 9/11 to happen everyday".

I like the way you say that. You're right. Not everything is as black and white as people would have believe. There's a certain naivety in certain political circles that a middle ground doesn't exist.

What do Lenin, Mussolini, George W. Bush and Hilary Clinton have in common?

They've all used this trick of false dilemma whereby they've stood up and said to the world, "You're either with us; or you're against us."

[Nadir Shah]

I like the way you say that. You're right. Not everything is as black and white as people would have believe. There's a certain naivety in certain political circles that a middle ground doesn't exist.

What do Lenin, Mussolini, George W. Bush and Hilary Clinton have in common?

They've all used this trick of false dilemma whereby they've stood up and said to the world, "You're either with us; or you're against us."

A small addendum. There is only one way that truly catagorizes society in a way that is scientific, progressive and liberating. Bourgeoisie and Proletariat. No person is immune to this categorization. Your existence or your interests must be aligned to one of these classes.

[tor_khan]

A small addendum. There is only one way that truly catagorizes society in a way that is scientific, progressive and liberating. Bourgeoisie and Proletariat. No person is immune to this categorization. Your existence or your interests must be aligned to one of these classes.

Thanks for adding more to think about.

Can you move between the two and if so, is there a platform of transition where you are more one, with elements of the other or somewhere in the middle.

Seems confusing, but I think it might be possible. I don't know, just thinking aloud.

The main thing though was that I completely agreed with Lewanaye's post.

[Nadir Shah]

Thanks for adding more to think about.

Can you move between the two and if so, is there a platform of transition where you are more one, with elements of the other or somewhere in the middle.

Seems confusing, but I think it might be possible. I don't know, just thinking aloud.

The main thing though was that I completely agreed with Lewanaye's post.

There is a certain way for the rightful class to assume control of the means of production and the state. The antagonism between the two is irrevocable and irreconcilable. Anyone who has studied the courses 'Project Management' or 'Operations Management' would suffice to this.

As an individual, i believe you can move up the social strata but only to a point where you are a part of the petty bourgeoisie, that is, you are somewhat affluent and well-to-do, but you are totally dependent on the capitalist monopolies for your existence. You employ wage slaves in trust for the capitalist. You can never challange the status quo.

[tor_khan]

There is a certain way for the rightful class to assume control of the means of production and the state. The antagonism between the two is irrevocable and irreconcilable. Anyone who has studied the courses 'Project Management' or 'Operations Management' would suffice to this.

As an individual, i believe you can move up the social strata but only to a point where you are a part of the petty bourgeoisie, that is, you are somewhat affluent and well-to-do, but you are totally dependent on the capitalist monopolies for your existence. You employ wage slaves in trust for the capitalist. You can never challange the status quo.

Ouch.

Which is why (and I jest of course) I sometimes think of my down-tech desert-island life. Just me, a makeshift hut, and a coconut palm or two - plenty of fish and a spear.

That or removing myself from the rat race and taking up a hermit's existance in a cave somewhere along the Himalayan Range.

Wait ... I can't possibly allude to that in one sentence ... I'm Pashtoon, and I talk about caves ...

What exactly did Hilary Clinton say about "with us or against"??

[Nadir Shah]

Ouch.

Which is why (and I jest of course) I sometimes think of my down-tech desert-island life. Just me, a makeshift hut, and a coconut palm or two - plenty of fish and a spear.

That or removing myself from the rat race and taking up a hermit's existance in a cave somewhere along the Himalayan Range.

Wait ... I can't possibly allude to that in one sentence ... I'm Pashtoon, and I talk about caves ...

What exactly did Hilary Clinton say about "with us or against"??

A blissful escape indeed. But an escape all the same. True existence is always a sum of certain fullfilments, hedonism being the foremost, followed closely by intellectual and rational potential stirrings.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

The epicenter of terrorism + drugs mafia in south/cent asia is Afghanistan.

There are two main militant groups in Afghanistan, one being taliban and the other being hizbul islami

in Pakistan, there are 20 different groups, one being TTP,jainsh mujahideen,lashkar e tayba, Hizbul Mujahideen, Sepha Sahaba, LASHKAR-E-JHANGVI,and so on

Is the Pakistan army so corrupted and scared that it can not face fighting for its interests but instead use others to do its dirty work, and as in regards to Drugs Mafia? in the UK nearly every Drug dealer caught, always turns out to be some Punjabi or Kashmiri Pakistani and not Afghan, secondly their drugs, all get brought over from Pakistan.

And regards to Epicenter of Terrorism please take a look how PLM members were meeting with militant punjabi members of Lashkar e tayba and Sepa sahaba to get their votes and support and how the man in charge of Punjab begged Taliban not to target Punjab but to destroy other areas as he shares the same views.

Pakistan is a corrupted state that is one very extremely coward that it can not face others without inventing some other militant group to do its dirty work.

[imb706]

I couldn´t imagine living a primitivist life. I´m not even just talking of the disease and inability to collect a sustainable amount of resources, I mean, no toilets...

What do Lenin, Mussolini, George W. Bush and Hilary Clinton have in common?

That´s a somewhat apt description, at least with George Bush and Hilary Clinton XD

[karachipashtun]

Pakistan needs to hange it's environement.

[imb706]

^Its not as bad as your making it like.

Actually, it´s usually far worse. There´s a reason humans left the ¨good ol days¨ of mass disease and back breaking terrible labor, where all you could enjoy in life was some food and some self satisfication from work. When humans moved from the farms to the more advanced settings, progress exploded, and civil liberties, a rise in the quality of life, and many other things happened. Why? Because we were able to devote time to other things than working 13 hours a day in the farms. Whether they be from the far left or far right, I get a bit dismayed when I run into primitivist. They don´t understand human history and are a bunch of hypocrites. Not that I´m calling anyone here a primitivist.