Hakimullah is alive!!

[tor_khan]

No offense, but muslims marry cousins and other relatives, this is considered incest by many. I've even seen such marriages promoted here. So I wouldn't be throwing insults around like that.

Every offence intended if you are singularly pointing out Muslims. In the dark corners of the world, everything happens.

Marrying cousins is sanctioned in Islam. You would have to explain what you mean by other relatives to genuinely qualify that statement as plausible.

[imb706]

Every offence intended if you are singularly pointing out Muslims.

Being that it's most prevelant about them, why wouldn't I cite them, that and being that muslims calling someone incestrous is rather ironic.

Marrying cousins is sanctioned in Islam. You would have to explain what you mean by other relatives to genuinely qualify that statement as plausible.

Well, then incest is indeed sanctioned. Of course, i've read of muslims marrying half-sisters (hey, didn't Abraham marry his half-sister?) and of course, I linked to stories of incest in the Middle East.

But I'm going to stop with all this, I think I'm offending too many people. I'll be more docile from now on.

[Master Khan]

^
Dude no one here cares

[imb706]

Lulz

[Zari]

good job mista jamie..;D...keep ur mouth closed u dunt want to make enemies..:P...

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

good job mista jamie..;D...keep ur mouth closed u dunt want to make enemies..:P...

Aaw come on people, these are mere arguments, they are not supposed to make permanent enemies of anyone.

Look, according to the Bible marrying cousins is incest, this is an old Christian European value, carried through centuries so that now it is a fundamental Western value.

So these days, Europeans or Americans even if they are not religious follow it. Like Christmas.

Muslims are on the opposite end. In Islam you can marry your cousins. That is why they do it here. But as for pedo marriages, that is a bit too much. It is not the norm (standard, common place). It only happens 1 in 100,000 or more and that too in far off remote villages where they dont know about Islam and are illustrate.

What does Islam say:

The Prophet (Sahih Hadith) encouraged people to marry outside family.

[Talal]

oh for christ sake he isnt alive, he could have easily shot a video before he died..There is no authenticity to this video yet

But what is sad is people vying their support for a man who is resposible for killing so many innocents. And if he was alive why didnt he resurface when the taliban were getting flanked by the Pakistani Army..Even if he is alive his leadership is finished, and may him and his followers rot in hell for eternity

[MazloomyarMaseed]

oh for christ sake he isnt alive, he could have easily shot a video before he died..There is no authenticity to this video yet

But what is sad is people vying their support for a man who is resposible for killing so many innocents. And if he was alive why didnt he resurface when the taliban were getting flanked by the Pakistani Army..Even if he is alive his leadership is finished, and may him and his followers rot in hell for eternity

And you are the guy who said the Swat beating video was fake just like how Kasab was made out to be a SIkh militant.

Nobody beleives what an Pak fauge has to say anymore, you speak so against Taliban and so higly of Pak fauge, but tell us why is your fauge supporting Mullah Nazirs Taliban faction and openly supporting Commander gul badahur, or maybe you do not know these two guys as your never been to the areas.

We in tribal areas know very well the double game played by Pakistan army.

Its very amusing at times

[Talal]

^ speak for yourself, I along with a 166 million population believes what Pak Army has to say and as for that swat video it WAS fake..I didnt say that, the "international agencies" denounced it since it couldnt be "verified" comprende ?

And something that is really amusing is that people like you have the nerve to sit here and bamouth pakistani army where it is them who are going out there and risking there blood and bone to save pakistani people. The least you could do is show some gratitude.

And Pakistan has made it clear that the groups who didnt go after Pakistan would be left alone, if we did go after them you would be sitting here and crying for them. And last i checked it was Kunar that war providing refuge to some 500 TTP when they got their asses handed to them in Orakzai

[MazloomyarMaseed]

^ speak for yourself, I along with a 166 million population believes what Pak Army has to say and as for that swat video it WAS fake..I didnt say that, the "international agencies" denounced it since it couldnt be "verified" comprende ?

And something that is really amusing is that people like you have the nerve to sit here and bamouth pakistani army where it is them who are going out there and risking there blood and bone to save pakistani people. The least you could do is show some gratitude.

And Pakistan has made it clear that the groups who didnt go after Pakistan would be left alone, if we did go after them you would be sitting here and crying for them. And last i checked it was Kunar that war providing refuge to some 500 TTP when they got their asses handed to them in Orakzai

Oh really.....Then why did Col Imam visit Wali Ur rehman numberous of times,him being a father to two bridgiers of Pak fauge, why wasnt Wali ur rehman caught, is your technology so stone age that you can not find a person who a taxi driver can direct you to for a few rupees?

Also as i said, Ive returned from Waziristan, and only thing your army is doing is bombing civilians, making deals with taliban to cross over the border, then bombing more civilians, destroying homes.

I can even tell you that in North Waziristna, both taliban and army are very good friends, they patrol the streets together, your from Punjab, the only violence or taliban you seen was those lal masjid children haha. Why dont you visit the tribal areas Talal????

Why dont you read this article which is published by a Pakistan Media outlet

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-on-the-run-militants-find-new-haven-ss-01

P.S my uncle is also a Major in Pakistan Army in Islamabad, and he told me the Pakistan army is looking for the guy who recorded the Swat Abuse, So try and get your sources correct before you utter another word.

Why doenst your army attack Haqqani group in North Waziristan????

You say how do i have a nerve to question Pakistan army, i find it very hilerious that you show your Pakistaniyat towards me as if iam a child and yoru my teacher, Iam from Makeen, South Waziristan, can you tell me where you are from???? and have you been beyond Peshawer?

BTW why has your Army allowed Taliban Abdullah Mahsud group to patrol dera ismail khan and tank????? remmeber these are guys who kidnapped the chinese engineers and killed them??? I thought your Army wanted to eradicate Taliban fully or maybe only wants to kill those who oppose the Pakistan Army, you ever been to Dera Ismail Kham, you heard of baz mohammad, Qari Misbahudeen and Qari Zainudeen, what about Turkistan Bhittani, alll are members of the Taliban but yet your army and police openly support them? Where is the myth of totally eradicating them totally.

[Talal]

Oh really.....Then why did Col Imam visit Wali Ur rehman numberous of times,him being a father to two bridgiers of Pak fauge, why wasnt Wali ur rehman caught, is your technology so stone age that you can not find a person who a taxi driver can direct you to for a few rupees?

Also as i said, Ive returned from Waziristan, and only thing your army is doing is bombing civilians, making deals with taliban to cross over the border, then bombing more civilians, destroying homes.

I can even tell you that in North Waziristna, both taliban and army are very good friends, they patrol the streets together, your from Punjab, the only violence or taliban you seen was those lal masjid children haha. Why dont you visit the tribal areas Talal????

Why dont you read this article which is published by a Pakistan Media outlet

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-on-the-run-militants-find-new-haven-ss-01

P.S my uncle is also a Major in Pakistan Army in Islamabad, and he told me the Pakistan army is looking for the guy who recorded the Swat Abuse, So try and get your sources correct before you utter another word.

Why doenst your army attack Haqqani group in North Waziristan????

You say how do i have a nerve to question Pakistan army, i find it very hilerious that you show your Pakistaniyat towards me as if iam a child and yoru my teacher, Iam from Makeen, South Waziristan, can you tell me where you are from???? and have you been beyond Peshawer?

BTW why has your Army allowed Taliban Abdullah Mahsud group to patrol dera ismail khan and tank????? remmeber these are guys who kidnapped the chinese engineers and killed them??? I thought your Army wanted to eradicate Taliban fully or maybe only wants to kill those who oppose the Pakistan Army, you ever been to Dera Ismail Kham, you heard of baz mohammad, Qari Misbahudeen and Qari Zainudeen, what about Turkistan Bhittani, alll are members of the Taliban but yet your army and police openly support them? Where is the myth of totally eradicating them totally.

Pakistan military has clearly told off even the Americans that they wont go after NW because they didnt take part in any bombings and they didnt mess with Pakistan. The reason states has failed in Afghanistan and the reason why Pakistan has succeeded against these monsters is because of our approach, to clear, build, hold and then advance..It will be pointless to go in NW until the areas that have been liberated are able to hold on their own. Its Taliban strategy to back out when they get flanked and then rear they're ugly head, this is a mistake that was made by NATO and Kayani in his presentation told them that this is where they went wrong and this is where our strategy is different. We went after the groups that were carrying out these bombings, we took em out but we cant go after other taliban till we absolutely make sure that they wont creep back into these areas. Pakistan army right now is capitalising on building and empowering the security agencies so that the taliban wont come back and that requires time and resources. Opening up a front in NW will jeopardise the entire operation

And Khalid didnt go to NW to catch anyone. Read what i wrote then talk, ive already told you Pakistan isnt going after the groups that chose to remain neutral, and that is called using your brains. TTP was an internal threat, the more factions that joined the worse it would have been for Pakistan because they would have been able to cause mayhem on a level that would have had very adverse affects on Pakistan, so they did the most wise thing. They broke them up, they tolerated the groups that didnt threaten pakistan and didnt take part in the bombings, they wanted to go after the insurgents that were being sponsored through The Afghan Intellgensia and RAW, and that was the purpose of Khalid Khawja taking a trip down to the NW, he was highly favored among the Taliban and was sent in to warn the NW taliban commanders about the TTP groups and leaders that had been bought out by the indians.


Stop with this rhetoric that i am from waziristan so i know better, if you wanna use that excuse somewhere then use to go fight for waziristan instead of badmouthing those who actually are

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Pakistan military has clearly told off even the Americans that they wont go after NW because they didnt take part in any bombings and they didnt mess with Pakistan. The reason states has failed in Afghanistan and the reason why Pakistan has succeeded against these monsters is because of our approach, to clear, build, hold and then advance..It will be pointless to go in NW until the areas that have been liberated are able to hold on their own. Its Taliban strategy to back out when they get flanked and then rear they're ugly head, this is a mistake that was made by NATO and Kayani in his presentation told them that this is where they went wrong and this is where our strategy is different. We went after the groups that were carrying out these bombings, we took em out but we cant go after other taliban till we absolutely make sure that they wont creep back into these areas. Pakistan army right now is capitalising on building and empowering the security agencies so that the taliban wont come back and that requires time and resources. Opening up a front in NW will jeopardise the entire operation

And Khalid didnt go to NW to catch anyone. Read what i wrote then talk, ive already told you Pakistan isnt going after the groups that chose to remain neutral, and that is called using your brains. TTP was an internal threat, the more factions that joined the worse it would have been for Pakistan because they would have been able to cause mayhem on a level that would have had very adverse affects on Pakistan, so they did the most wise thing. They broke them up, they tolerated the groups that didnt threaten pakistan and didnt take part in the bombings, they wanted to go after the insurgents that were being sponsored through The Afghan Intellgensia and RAW, and that was the purpose of Khalid Khawja taking a trip down to the NW, he was highly favored among the Taliban and was sent in to warn the NW taliban commanders about the TTP groups and leaders that had been bought out by the indians.


Stop with this rhetoric that i am from waziristan so i know better, if you wanna use that excuse somewhere then use to go fight for waziristan instead of badmouthing those who actually are

Of couse i know better, As your never been there but I have,

I hear this usual Zaid Hamid non sense, and you just admitted to me that the NW taliban dont say anything to Pakistan but there you clearly admitted that to support good taliban is good even though their policies are no different than the bad taliban and btw the south waziristan taliban chapter are all moved to north waziristan, as your col imam met wali ur rehman in mir ali north waziristan.

did you read the article or not?

It states Pakistan Army patrols with Foreigners for whom you label as raw agents etc.

Go to waziristan please and vision the reality, get out of bahria town or whatever army colony you live in.

[Talal]

Of couse i know better, As your never been there but I have,

I hear this usual Zaid Hamid non sense, and you just admitted to me that the NW taliban dont say anything to Pakistan but there you clearly admitted that to support good taliban is good even though their policies are no different than the bad taliban and btw the south waziristan taliban chapter are all moved to north waziristan, as your col imam met wali ur rehman in mir ali north waziristan.

did you read the article or not?

It states Pakistan Army patrols with Foreigners for whom you label as raw agents etc.

Go to waziristan please and vision the reality, get out of bahria town or whatever army colony you live in.

Zaid hamid ? How is what i am saying in any way related to what that buffoon says..Ive presented the ground argument behind Pakistan's War on Terror, Dispute the points i raised and stop derailing the discussion. I've clearly told you why pakistan isnt going after the Haqqani group and why NW to a large extent has been left untouched till now. And that is about to change

I've told you before to read my reply and then answer, Pakistan army isnt having a picnic in NW

You living there means nothing if you cant even understand the ground realities, and the ground reality is that despite what you want to believe from reading these internet conspiracy theories, Pakistan army our soldiers and that includes pashtuns, punjabis, sindhis, balochis alike are fighting for our people, and these people are just as much your people as they are mine. You dishonour all their sacrifices by calling it a drama

http://tribune.com.pk/story/10409/operation-in-north-waziristan-probable-mukhtar/

Operation in North Waziristan probable: Mukhtar



Gujrat: Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar claimed on Sunday that consultations for a military operation in North Waziristan are currently underway.
While talking to the media in Gujrat, Mukhtar also spoke on the energy crisis, claiming that loadshedding would reduce significantly in four years, but not end completely.
He added that he was not in favor of the creation of new provinces.
With regards to the fact-finding committee assigned to reveal who ordered the washing down of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination site, Mukhtar claimed some new facts may come to light.
The defence minister’s statements came as the country’s security apparatus is currently engaged in a battle in the tribal areas, and is considering entering the militant-stronghold of North Waziristan.

Two soldiers killed in North Waziristan clash
PAKISTAN - 28 APRIL 2010

PESHAWAR: Two security personnel were killed and at least 13 injured in the latest clash in North Waziristan on Wednesday.

The casualties took place when militants attacked the ISA check post in North Waziristan. Four militants, which included three Uzbeks and a German, were also killed in the clash.

This is the second attack on Pakistan army personnel in North Waziristan in the past seven days. On Friday, seven soldiers, including an officer were killed and at least 16 injured as militants ambushed an army convoy in North Waziristan

According to local sources, many of the Taliban groups had fled from South Waziristan and moved to North Waziristan. Many of these groups include Chechen and Arab fighters as well.

The situation in North Waziristan is a complicated one with some factions supporting the government and providing safe passage to the Pakistan army.

Meanwhile the operation in the Orakzai Agency is also continuing, with security forces claiming to have killed five militants in the latest phase of the assault.

[imb706]

Look, according to the Bible marrying cousins is incest, this is an old Christian European value, carried through centuries so that now it is a fundamental Western value.

Actually, it's also promoted in the Bible :P But interestingly enough, the US is the only country I know of where there's laws in some areas against cousin marriage. I wasn't saying I consider it incest, I was saying many do, so muslims do kind of look like asses if they call people incestuous.