Arab Racism against Black Africans

[randolph85]

^ ideology is not race. islam between against right and wrong, what human beings can willingly choose to believe or not. this is with no regard to how a human being is born or what skin color he/she is born into.

islam is unique in the abrahamic religions in that belief is the ONLY basis in which to be judged. christians believe we are all born sinners and have the burden of sin to bear, jews believe they are the chosen race regardless of belief in god.

meant to point to the guy before u lol

[randolph85]

ideology is not race. islam between against right and wrong, what human beings can willingly choose to believe or not. this is with no regard to how a human being is born or what skin color he/she is born into.

islam is unique in the abrahamic religions in that belief is the ONLY basis in which to be judged. christians believe we are all born sinners and have the burden of sin to bear, jews believe they are the chosen race regardless of belief in god.

[randolph85]

damn, this editing sucks

[Toramana]

ideology is not race. islam between against right and wrong, what human beings can willingly choose to believe or not. this is with no regard to how a human being is born or what skin color he/she is born into.

islam is unique in the abrahamic religions in that belief is the ONLY basis in which to be judged. christians believe we are all born sinners and have the burden of sin to bear, jews believe they are the chosen race regardless of belief in god.

ma oshmaira dargad shum...

[ScimitarXEdge]

That is your own inference, my friend. I posted a thread about racism in China as well if you would've cared to notice. So the intentions weren't to drag Islam into this but to point to the issue of racism in general.

Anyhow, I did mean that communities and nations are conscious of the uniqueness of their collective-being (as embodied in their shared culture, values, etc.) and want to preserve it...and that they tolerate the encroachment of outsiders as long as in their zone of comfort or within the limits of their sense of security. Nothing can completely eliminate that almost instinctive trait in humans be those Arabs or Pashtuns.

Now as for Islam, its orthodox/fundamentalist form does have a racist agenda when it tries to religate Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc. to the status of subhumans and promotes hatred against them (by calling them immoral, sinful, etc.)...and in that way engender segregation of society based on creed.


Also, as for I have noticed, you, despite carrying yourself as the leading beacon of Pan-Muslim fraternity, have shown racism towards others, e.g., when you called me someone from a low-cast tribe and in one of the threads, boasted of your aristocratic/royal lineage...so much so that you also braged of your birth in the US (a post-modern state probably not out of love for or pride in US but out of ego) while pointed to my FOB status.

I am a nationalist and say my nation is my immediate focus but humanity is much larger and grander which is my ultimate goal.

The argument reveals the abject logical weakness of your position and the desperation you're doing to grasp for straws.

Religion is not race; beliefs can be chosen (even if you're raised to believe one thing or another). Race is expressed by variables which have no voluntary control what so ever. A Christian can convert to Islam. A Pashtoon cannot convert to Chinese.

Your claim of seeking humanity as your larger ultimate goal is insincere; because Nationalism defines itself by manufactured distinctions; not inclusiveness or morality or principles.

Stop trying to salvage your eroded reputation; you've lost your propaganda agenda on this forum. Try another one to dwell in as a parasite.

[Toramana]

I told you Toramana, if you hit, I hit back. I am a Pashtun just like you and I take badal when I want and need to. I never maligned your tribe and only bought up the strength of Kandahar after you called me a Panjabie.

Barakzai, revenge is not a good thing if you are working for a grander cause. I have seldom seen people of knowledge and higher causes driven by egoistic emotions. We are not fighting over personal things but ideas and ideals.

I am not interested in personal agrandisement...and you can call me any thing a Paki, a low-cast, etc. as long as you listen to what I say with your mind...

[ScimitarXEdge]

is this your way of saying you're driven by egostic emotions; because you seem to always hurl accusations on people. When your ides are rejected.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzai, revenge is not a good thing if you are working for a grander cause. I have seldom seen people of knowledge and higher causes driven by egoistic emotions. We are not fighting over personal things but ideas and ideals.

I am not interested in personal agrandisement...and you can call me any thing a Paki, a low-cast, etc. as long as you listen to what I say with your mind...

Badal in this case meant I am not going to let you walk on me by calling me a parasite. It meant tit for tat. You, most of all, should understand this concept since it is you that is claiming that Edge and Abdali are weakened by their love for the ummah above their love for the Pashtoon. You are basically attempting to take advantage of what you view as my weakness and assume that since you are a part of that ummah that I will sit there silent and let you get away with ignorant insults that are baseless. Had you made an argument to David in a manner that was courteous and stated something to the effect of how you felt that my views did not suit Americas selt interests, etc. there would have been no qualm. You instead made no such argument and hurled out terminologies like "camel" and "parasite."

Everyone here can read man, they are all literate. You threw out insults and I responded. Even Tor Khan had to step in because your mouth ran too far with you. I have not attacked you when you actually espouse ideas.

This should more than anything show you that you have a misguided view of how I view the ummah. Every man is my brother. But if he usurps my rights I have the right to bear arms.

By the way, is calling someone's mother a camel a good way to argue? Why do you have such a hard time admitting you were in the wrong. Everyone would respect you more if you did so. Instead you hold on to your foolish pride.

[Toramana]

The argument reveals the abject logical weakness of your position and the desperation you're doing to grasp for straws.

Religion is not race; beliefs can be chosen (even if you're raised to believe one thing or another). Race is expressed by variables which have no voluntary control what so ever. A Christian can convert to Islam. A Pashtoon cannot convert to Chinese.

The first thing is, I was aware of when I mentioned racism in the context of Islam...and the aim wasn't its literal use but pointing to the discriminatory attitude that religious teachings inculcate....Notice what I said in the preceeding paragraph when I said nothing can eliminate it, etc.

Now we have not locked into a wrestling competition...at least it embarrasses me when you take it like that...We should not be fighting for our egoes...

[ScimitarXEdge]

Toramana's disingenuous appeal to Noble motives seems to just backfire against him

as you clearly demonstrate; he's full of shallow, prejudiced characterizations which demonstrate ignorance, poor education and bigotry

and yet believes that people should passively accept his flagrancy.

This is just like how people in Power always try to promote Pacifisim amongst the masses and yet the police and military all have weapons. It's a crooked tactic of manipulation.

[Toramana]

Badal in this case meant I am not going to let you walk on me by calling me a parasite. It meant tit for tat. You, most of all, should understand this concept since it is you that is claiming that Edge and Abdali are weakened by their love for the ummah above their love for the Pashtoon. You are basically attempting to take advantage of what you view as my weakness and assume that since you are a part of that ummah that I will sit there silent and let you get away with ignorant insults that are baseless. Had you made an argument to David in a manner that was courteous and stated something to the effect of how you felt that my views did not suit Americas selt interests, etc. there would have been no qualm. You instead made no such argument and hurled out terminologies like "camel" and "parasite."

Everyone here can read man, they are all literate. You threw out insults and I responded. Even Tor Khan had to step in because your mouth ran too far with you. I have not attacked you when you actually espouse ideas.

This should more than anything show you that you have a misguided view of how I view the ummah. Every man is my brother. But if he usurps my rights I have the right to bear arms.

By the way, is calling someone's mother a camel a good way to argue? Why do you have such a hard time admitting you were in the wrong. Everyone would respect you more if you did so. Instead you hold on to your foolish pride.

Againt that is your mis-interpretation...I was refering to a particular kind of thinking not to someone's mother...I have absolutely no concern with other people personal and family affairs...

Anyhow, now that my membership of this forum will be terminated after 10 days as tor_khan conveyed to me, I will speak my mind to that DavidKross...

[ScimitarXEdge]

The first thing is, I was aware of when I mentioned racism in the context of Islam...and the aim wasn't its literal use but pointing to the discriminatory attitude that religious teachings inculcate....Notice what I said in the preceeding paragraph when I said nothing can eliminate it, etc.

Now we have not locked into a wrestling competition...at least it embarrasses me when you take it like that...We should not be fighting for our egoes...

Believe me this is not a wrestling competition; but to me your intellectual dishonesty which you constantly peddle; projecting fabrications as facts is something that should be exposed for what it is.

You fail to even acknowledge that a large body of your positions depend on very absurd logical fallacies; you use False Appeals more than Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. To me it represents that you have corrupt motives and I feel those should be addressed at every turn.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Againt that is your mis-interpretation...I was refering to a particular kind of thinking not to someone's mother...I have absolutely no concern with other people personal and family affairs...

Anyhow, now that my membership of this forum will be terminated after 10 days as tor_khan conveyed to me, I will speak my mind to that DavidKross...

First of all do not even go and paint it like that OK. I have no personal qualm with you. I had no part in that 10 day dismissal thing and I do not think that Edge did either as he actually said you should be allowed to stay. I have no idea who or how the conversation reached the higher levels. Even through all this I still see you as a brother. A misguided and completely assinine one, but nonetheless I would not call for your removal. If you violated the terms these folks have here, then that is between you and the mishraan.

I am willing to accept that you did not have Edge's mother in mind, but you certainly had me in mind when you were talking to David about parasites as I was the only poster that held the America first view.

As I said, if you actually just said, "look, it went too far and maybe I, like others could have utilized different wordings so that things did not come off so as personal BETWEEEN forum members" I bet that 10 day thing would never have come up.

I mean heck, look at that Pashtun and Afghan nationalism thread. There are people there that are bashing Amanullah Khan, Bacha Saquo etc. and no one cares because these are public figures like Bush, Clinton etc. The rules appear to allow that sort of thing. Ahmad Shah Abdali and Ahmad Shah Massoud are called all kinds of names and the administrators know that they do not need to intervene because there is no malice hidden there.

And once again, I am not the least bit offended or hurt about the parasite quote. I answered you in kind and held my self up against you. I am simply telling you that the maimed innocent creature costume you are trying to wear does not fit the situation.

[Master Khan]

To be honest we pashtuns make fun of black people aswell
we call them names like "tor Makhe", "torey" etc.
Even Indian take the mick of them....everyone do.. not just arabs

[ScimitarXEdge]

Againt that is your mis-interpretation...I was refering to a particular kind of thinking not to someone's mother...I have absolutely no concern with other people personal and family affairs...

Anyhow, now that my membership of this forum will be terminated after 10 days as tor_khan conveyed to me, I will speak my mind to that DavidKross...

So when you mentioned that I was Half-Arab; after me stating my mom is Arab. It has nothing to do with making a snide remark at my maternal bloodline; wholly ignoring that my father is 100% Pashtoon.

If your argument is that I am "Arab" , which is fine because I love Arabs as much as I love Pashtoon: is based on my viewpoints. Then let me take the initiative by saying you're Angrez and Farang, since none of your viewpoints are consistent with the values of Pashtoons, their customs or their moral paradigms and yet mimic theirs precisely.