"If I had to choose sides today, I'd choose the Taliban,"

[Alchemist]

looks like the old man is putting up a fight.



For more than an hour, Gen. David H. Petraeus, U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry and other top Western officials in Kabul urged Karzai to delay implementing a ban on private security firms. Reconstruction projects worth billions of dollars would have to be shuttered, they maintained, if foreign guards were evicted.
Sitting at the head of a glass-topped, U-shaped table in his conference room, Karzai refused to budge, according to two people with direct knowledge of the late October meeting. He insisted that Afghan police and soldiers could protect the reconstruction workers, and he dismissed pleas for a delay.
As he spoke, he grew agitated, then enraged. He told them that he now has three "main enemies" - the Taliban, the United States and the international community.
"If I had to choose sides today, I'd choose the Taliban," he fumed.
After a few more parting shots, he got up and walked out of the wood-paneled room.
The riposte, and the broader fight over private security contractors, prompted deep alarm among senior U.S. officials in Kabul and Washington. The Obama administration had been trying for the better part of a year to cast aside earlier disputes and make nice with Karzai. But it clearly was not working. Eikenberry told colleagues at the embassy that the relationship had hit its lowest point in years.
As President Obama and his national security team assess the war this week, a central element of the discussion will be their difficulties in building a partnership with Karzai. Despite a concerted effort by top diplomats and commanders, the United States has been unable to achieve more than ephemeral bonhomie with the Afghan leader.
"Our relationship with him has become so tortured," said a senior administration official. "We've gone from one crisis every three months to one crisis a month."
There is near-universal agreement among top U.S. officials involved in Afghanistan that Karzai's behavior and leadership have a direct bearing on the outcome of the multinational counterinsurgency mission. But they remain divided about how to improve their ties with him, and whether it is even possible.
Skeptics of the strategy contend his actions, particularly in the six months since the Obama administration started to embrace him as a partner, demonstrate that he cannot be rehabilitated. As a consequence, they maintain that the overall U.S. mission should be scaled back because it is impossible to conduct a counterinsurgency campaign without a steadfast ally in Kabul's presidential palace.



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As U.S. assesses Afghan war, Karzai a question mark

[khyaal]

Once this hollow structure of Pakis-stan's false federation collapses and Afghan geography get restored everything will settle down, because these were Pakis who brought US to this region for their ulterior motive of occupying Azad afghanistan through their proxies.

[Catya Sher]

^ that's a wild theory!

Regarding Karzai, it sounds like a breakthrough.

I bet he could really spill the beans on a lot of bad doings of American entities in Afghanistan. So they can't just shove him out the way Washington would desperately like to, in favor of even more of a pushover.

Hence the "leaks" about Karzai's dependency on anti-depressive medication, or whatever the type was.

Thus the US can point the finger at the Afghan for being erratic. I bet they have already spoken to their choice to replace him.

Shades of the USSR and Taraki and Amin...

[khyaal]

The US just change their tactics, its next target is rather the poor Sindhi Zardari. ISI has become active and Maulana quits PPP's government. Sharif will certainly replace him soon.

[khyaal]

Alchemist the Paki, first you say Alqaeda does not exist and its all a Zionist conspiracy but then you glorify the Taliban, What do you know about the Taliban? You have not even been to Pakhtunkhwa but get your info from the Media.

Alchemist, we will wait for the day that Paki Punjab puts Taliban into their government.

Zama Wrora! Taliban do exist. Because only they could provide pakis (Punjabis) a way to capture azad Afghanistan. It is a simple logic, isn't it.

[Alchemist]

Let me give you a reality Check MI6 - You are a self hating paki. Oh yeah, you are pashtun, but you are paki. When an English man asks you at the pub "where did you come from?", you will reply "From Pakistan", because there is no "Pashtunistan" on the map. So stop slapping your self in the face. I can slap you too. But I just don't care to.
No matter how many times you scream it and how badly you would want it, you can't change reality. I know it is cathartic to pretend that I am paki so you project your own inferiority complex on to me. But it is unhealthy. Like wise sharia is opted by Muslims and Pashtuns are Muslims. So you a baymazab paki, a walking conundrum of identities need to figure ur self out before u try to figure me out. Also you are in denial of your british heritage. Come now its obvious you like your fish and chips over shurwa or whatever you call it Pakistan.

Khayla - your sarcasm is painful to read. Very.

p.s - next time you feel the urge to respond to me, just don't or I will slap some real sense into you.

[fzpz]

Alchemist, don't you know sharia was invented by the punjabi isi, and the pashtuns were forcefully converted to moslem by the dirty pakis, and that the taliban are just punjabis masquerading as afghans fighting the US (who are loved and wanted by our elders, sisters and mothers btw), the US who they sent to afghanistan to add to their punjabi empire in the first place?

[Catya Sher]

^ Clever and humorous!

[khyaal]

LOL. Here one unwittingly expose his/her real self and his/her motives.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Let me give you a reality Check MI6 - You are a self hating paki. Oh yeah, you are pashtun, but you are paki. When an English man asks you at the pub "where did you come from?", you will reply "From Pakistan", because there is no "Pashtunistan" on the map. So stop slapping your self in the face. I can slap you too. But I just don't care to.
No matter how many times you scream it and how badly you would want it, you can't change reality. I know it is cathartic to pretend that I am paki so you project your own inferiority complex on to me. But it is unhealthy. Like wise sharia is opted by Muslims and Pashtuns are Muslims. So you a baymazab paki, a walking conundrum of identities need to figure ur self out before u try to figure me out. Also you are in denial of your british heritage. Come now its obvious you like your fish and chips over shurwa or whatever you call it Pakistan.

Khayla - your sarcasm is painful to read. Very.

p.s - next time you feel the urge to respond to me, just don't or I will slap some real sense into you.

Alchemist first of all you are contradicting yourself. You say complex and then you point to an englishman to justify it lolzz. Ok so a englishman calls someone out of ignorance a "paki" therefore he is right and the Pashtun who wishes to have his sovereign land (which btw is rightfully Afghan territory which the British took and then handed to present day Pakistan...yeh real pashto and islam there lolzz). Second of all, just because a state doesn't exist doesn't mean one can't opt want or struggle for it. There is no Palestinian state but finally after 50+ years the world is starting to accept this idea. Why don't you use the same logic for them? For more than 40 years the Basques were oppressed by Franco and the French, yet they have been struggling for their unified Basque state.

Also if you are an Afghan than those "pakis" who live in Pashtunkhwa are your Afghan brethren, they speak your language and have your blood. The only difference is that the Englishman divided up our state and fed us to the wolves and we were leased out cheaply by our own Kings. From them on for a good number of decades we have to suffer under British where the people there gave many sacrifices. These same "pakis" made the bulk of the ghazis who fought and defended Afghanistan's nang in the third anglo-afghan war. So the next time you go to an August 19th Event cheering on "milli isthiqlaal" remember whose blood went to give you the oppurtunity to celebrate that day. These "pakis" did. Khalk dae khapakeegee na, MI6 khpl duniya kae dae ao tha ham khpl duniyaa kaee che khpl khalk tha domraa spak gorae ao bal da paasaa da islam ao khilafath khabarae kae nu dasae khabarae na dae kass zaan saathii.

[din]

Assalam o alikum
salamonna graan wronno au khwandoo ta wayam
khasatan wa M16 ta awal ta da sta da nama tashreeh ka chi da sa mana lari?
dwaham ta pa yow mamlookat pa khalag bandi nooman ma izhda chi da paki di..
beekhi dair wakht kizhi chi za sta articles waayam sta ya pa talib ,ya pa pakistan ,ya pa ISI bandi badh wayay au khalgoo ki da nafrat acha way..
daa zmush pashtun forum community tota tota kayay..
mush sta pa hadab na payizho..
pakistani pa ta sa kari di chi ta khpala pakistani yay au paki laqab ta tolo pakistan khalgoo ta ur kaway.shyed sta dushmani ba da yow pakistani ya group sara wi ..noo ta haq na laray chi tola pakistan ta paki uwayay..
pa pakistan ki dair pashtana usoozhi,ulooma sta, sayasi pohaan pashiki di,adabyan pishiki di.
agha chi sta khabari wawri da PF izat kishtat kizhi ..
mush ghwaroo chi da har Quowm , da har zhibi khalaq raasi da zmush community ugori di zmush sa yow shai izda ki..
agha chi sta da badrang article ugori agha zmush da tolo pashtano izat rakishta ka yay.
Za Din, sta sara ihtiraman hila laram chi dagha hatred praizhda ..yow sayasi mutaala waka pa hagha bandi khpal dushman ta maata warka education waka ...da khpal community khizmat waka ...
sta Islam dair khwash di noo pa hagha ki article post ka
pa education ki sha articles post ka
This is your last chance or else I will post a vote articlen to cast you out of pashtun forums
I myself can't bear any hatred on pashtun forums on any of its members.

[Michin Khel]

It seems kandaharis have sympathies with taliban because mullah omar was/is from kandahar. A kandahari here , namely sholambay, actively support talibans though he doesnt accept it that talibans work for pakis.

[din]

Za kho poynashwoo, shook ta da comment day direct karai dai?

What last chance? what voting? Are you voting to get me banned? over what? Because I criticise your Proxies in Afghanistan who kiss the Kwana Of Pakistan Punjab ISI?

Or is it maybe you are abit mad I post better articles than the Aljazeera stuff you use?

Maybe I am wrong but I do not understand what you wrote, I am just guessing.

If you want Pashtun forums to become a Punjabi Jihadi Terrorist recruiment centre where threads glorify Taliban, then fine, but I am sorry many of us here oppose Taliban, wheather they are Kandahari or Waziristani, Most here oppose ISI Punjabi Agent Proxies who slaughter Pashtuns in the name of Wahabism

The only thing i wrote in that post was that dont call pakistani;s PAKI..
I asked you to give paksitani people respect nor did I say anything about taliban.
I only asked u to give respect on this forum.
I have no interests in your articles.Please mind your language and a true pashtun never kisses a k***** of anyone.
We have alot of guests on this website so please dont use that work for pakistani's again,


Yes I wrote about getting u banned using a vote system.

[darkwitch]

This is a forum not a Classroom. I can call a Pakistani a Paki all I want.
You are just upset that I post articles of how much your own Afghans are being misused by Pakis, it upsets you because its reality. I understand you may have a love for Pakis, maybe you were given a gift by them when they use to hang about in your village, so it naturally upsets you when we speak so badly about them.

If you want to talk about Respect, then go and teach your fellow Afghans such as Mrs banu,DazohraJaam and many others who regularly Insult families members of Pashtuns from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

This will be my last comment. Din has mde his position very clear, that speaking against Pakis and Taliban should be prohibited, and you guys expect us to join you and be brothers and sisters to you when you are showing the same characterisitics as your emir Abdur Rahman.

Din what is wrong with attacking Pakistan? Of course Pashtuns are kissing the backside of Pakis, that is why the whole south Afghanistan was once packed full of Paki Punjabi ISI officers. 7000 alone were stationed in Kunduz and I am sure that is in the North.

If the forum bans members from speaking against Pakistan, opposing Taliban, speaking against insulting family members of KP Pashtuns, then I am Afraid it wont look good nor respectable.

ummm m16 your not getting his point...
I think what he means to say is that talk in a professional manner.
He never said anything about taliban...why are you dragging the taliban into it?

[Alchemist]

I will say I come from Waziristan and He will say where is that, I will say its a Mountainous region.

Plus Alchemist, for a person who claims to have so much knowledge of things, did you even know that Waziristan was and is not part of Pakistan, Pakistan government has zero presence there besides a corrupted Political agent lol.

We are Pashtuns not Pakis, where was no Paki before the 40's. You are a Paki who calls the people of waziristan and bolochistan as kaffirs who want to divide Napakistan.

You cant even speak Pushto,claim to be a 6ft Afghan, you defend Arabs so strongly, you promote non sense pUnjabi conspricy theories to keep the Pashtun people oppressed.

Your Napak fauge has destroyed my region, and you dare to call us self-hating Pakistanis? when the hell were we Pakistanis anyway? You bomb our region,play games with Pashtun people, and you wonder why hate your country? dude, u need a reality check, this is not Pakistan Defence Forums

Soon we will see!

Yeah, good luck trying to convince the brits that you are not paki. It's obvious from your rhetoric that you HATE being affiliated with Pakistanis so all this time you spend in the forum is just a mental exercise for venting out that frustration. I feel for you brother. But just like you don't like being called paki, I don't like it either.

Secondly, grow a pair of bullocks.
This is the first time I've heard a pashtun whine so much about pakis. Shame on you. Since when did afghans admit defeat to pakis? since when did indians/pakistani take over Afghanistan? Pakistan was and is a weak retarded baby with a colt .45 and you are pissing your pants that it might shoot you in the face when really the chance is just as high for it to shoot it self. People pick their enemies according to their own toughness. So let me reassure you that pakis don't have what it takes to subdue, manipulate afghans/pashtuns, let alone conquer us. Pakistan was created by subservient, spineless cowards who licked british boots for pleasure. As long as pakistan is in the boot licking business they will never win the respect of any afghan/pashtun ...be it talib or me. So take a chill pill. Punjab will never be a threat...

Alchemist first of all you are contradicting yourself. You say complex and then you point to an englishman to justify it lolzz. Ok so a englishman calls someone out of ignorance a "paki" therefore he is right and the Pashtun who wishes to have his sovereign land (which btw is rightfully Afghan territory which the British took and then handed to present day Pakistan...yeh real pashto and islam there lolzz). Second of all, just because a state doesn't exist doesn't mean one can't opt want or struggle for it. There is no Palestinian state but finally after 50+ years the world is starting to accept this idea. Why don't you use the same logic for them? For more than 40 years the Basques were oppressed by Franco and the French, yet they have been struggling for their unified Basque state.

Also if you are an Afghan than those "pakis" who live in Pashtunkhwa are your Afghan brethren, they speak your language and have your blood. The only difference is that the Englishman divided up our state and fed us to the wolves and we were leased out cheaply by our own Kings. From them on for a good number of decades we have to suffer under British where the people there gave many sacrifices. These same "pakis" made the bulk of the ghazis who fought and defended Afghanistan's nang in the third anglo-afghan war. So the next time you go to an August 19th Event cheering on "milli isthiqlaal" remember whose blood went to give you the oppurtunity to celebrate that day. These "pakis" did. Khalk dae khapakeegee na, MI6 khpl duniya kae dae ao tha ham khpl duniyaa kaee che khpl khalk tha domraa spak gorae ao bal da paasaa da islam ao khilafath khabarae kae nu dasae khabarae na dae kass zaan saathii.

I didn't contradict my self. I just stated the REALITY of the situation. And that contradiction is a part of reality. Sure I acknowledge that Waziristan is actually Afghan property. Pashtunistan belongs to Afghanistan - da pashtunistan zeman
But here is another HARD fact of reality. You are all still being played by the brits...

It seems kandaharis have sympathies with taliban because mullah omar was/is from kandahar. A kandahari here , namely sholambay, actively support talibans though he doesnt accept it that talibans work for pakis.

Work for pakis means that they are on paki payroll and that they take instructions from pakis. And currently there the media identifies two different "taliban", one in afghanistan and another in Pakistan. Basically, ISI is paying for the destruction of its own country? No, the chicken are coming to roost in Pakistan? No, I am telling you that ISI works for CIA/GCI/Mossad/MI6 because they are part of the same cabal of international mercenaries who work for the interest of the global elite. But the Government of Pakistan has no control over its own army. It did have control up until the invasion of Afghanistan by the US. But because the US is underming the Pakistani government's sovereignty with its drone attacks the locals are getting the feeling that every man is for himself. And translates to the fractured psychology that you witness here - mass paranoia and chronic anxiety.

This is a forum not a Classroom. I can call a Pakistani a Paki all I want.
You are just upset that I post articles of how much your own Afghans are being misused by Pakis, it upsets you because its reality. I understand you may have a love for Pakis, maybe you were given a gift by them when they use to hang about in your village, so it naturally upsets you when we speak so badly about them.

If you want to talk about Respect, then go and teach your fellow Afghans such as Mrs banu,DazohraJaam and many others who regularly Insult families members of Pashtuns from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

This will be my last comment. Din has mde his position very clear, that speaking against Pakis and Taliban should be prohibited, and you guys expect us to join you and be brothers and sisters to you when you are showing the same characterisitics as your emir Abdur Rahman.

Din what is wrong with attacking Pakistan? Of course Pashtuns are kissing the backside of Pakis, that is why the whole south Afghanistan was once packed full of Paki Punjabi ISI officers. 7000 alone were stationed in Kunduz and I am sure that is in the North.

If the forum bans members from speaking against Pakistan, opposing Taliban, speaking against insulting family members of KP Pashtuns, then I am Afraid it wont look good nor respectable.

Insult pakies all you want .. just don't insult me by calling me a paki. Thanks bro