Tajweed Lesson Three: Makhraj

[*Mahzala*]

See, the way I wrote it is a prime example of what Mujib wror pointed out. Ghayndalwaw.. instead of writing dhaad, I wrote it as a mixture of ghayn and dal haha.. I'm telling ya, I have a heavy accent! =(

Bless him, he gave a classic example. I've heard that a few times standing behind an Imaam and what ends up happening is you hear so much giggling many end up walking out during the Jama'ah. So, needless to say, pronounciation is important. We can work around your accent, though I am certain you are underestimating yourself. =)

[Mayana]

So I just confused myself with all the dhaa daad zaa dhad sounds. I will ask my Arab friends for some demonstrations tomorrow inshAallah and them return to these lessons less confused and hence maybe less confusing

[*Mahzala*]

^ Go for it. Everyday is a new learning experience. Come back and share what you picked up. And the confusion, don't worry, you are not alone. Most of the non-Arab world has the same difficulty until it is pointed out and rectified with practice. And, it is not hard. =)

[abubaker]

The letter ḍād is confused in various ways in various parts of the world. It is mispronounced as a dāl. Many Afghans mispronounce it as a ġayn-dāl-wāw (three letters in one). For example, "wa laghdwalin" at the end of al-Fatiha. Others mispronounced it as a ẓāʾ. For example, "Ramazan," "riza," etc.

The addition of the wāw in the mispronunciation of ḍād is done with ṣād, ṭāʾ, and ẓāʾ as well. So they will be mispronounced as "swat/swad," "twa," "zwa."

funny thing is they say we are saying it wrong, the mullah back in our villiage insisted that it was swad, dwad, dzwad

i think it was sheykh Bilal Philips who said that the arabs are the people saad and daad as in no one else can pronounce it better than them

[abubaker]

Right. What is usually confused with zaa ز is dha ذ . But again, it differs from person to person.

Again, Allah reward you for your input Graane.

salamuna

i think it might be zaa [thaa with a dot]

ps how come no one is showing any interest, i remember allot of people were enthusiastic about this

[*Mahzala*]

i think it was sheykh Bilal Philips who said that the arabs are the people saad and daad as in no one else can pronounce it better than them

I don't agree with the statement. I think there are many Ajams who read Quran very well, and, some, even better than Arabs. Surely, if you begin at, say, your mid-twenties to fix your pronunciation, it will, undoubtedly, be hard. If you've sat with a teacher since you were young and read and recited and practiced in your own time, then today, in your mid-twenties, your pronunciation is no different from Arabs, in fact, better.

[abubaker]

I don't agree with the statement. I think there are many Ajams who read Quran very well, and, some, even better than Arabs. Surely, if you begin at, say, your mid-twenties to fix your pronunciation, it will, undoubtedly, be hard. If you've sat with a teacher since you were young and read and recited and practiced in your own time, then today, in your mid-twenties, your pronunciation is no different from Arabs, in fact, better.

I agree i was just quoting the sheykh

[*Mahzala*]

salamuna

i think it might be zaa [thaa with a dot]

ps how come no one is showing any interest, i remember allot of people were enthusiastic about this

Thaa with a dot, yaane, ذ ?

I think it comes down to the difficulty of the understanding the subject matter in terms of how we are conferring it (online, but again, it is only theory). I am certain it is being read and attempted to be understood. Once again, I am not sharing this information to put anyone down or underestimate them. My initial post about these lessons said that it should be a collective effort and not something with rules or educator/student barriers. In fact, with my own students, immediately speaking, I am very open too. An interactive learning environment always has positive results.

[abubaker]

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Thaa with a dot, yaane, ذ ?

I think it comes down to the difficulty of the understanding the subject matter in terms of how we are conferring it (online, but again, it is only theory). I am certain it is being read and attempted to be understood. Once again, I am not sharing this information to put anyone down or underestimate them. My initial post about these lessons said that it should be a collective effort and not something with rules or educator/student barriers. In fact, with my own students, immediately speaking, I am very open too. An interactive learning environment always has positive results.

sorry if i confused you

ظ

[*Mahzala*]

Mahzalah, I reallly love these courses. I am following and I might have a few questions do I post them here?

I am happy to hear that. I sincerely hope they are of benefit.

Post where ever you feel comfortable.

[*Mahzala*]

sorry if i confused you

ظ

No need to apologise. It's the transliteration, which is natural to be misunderstood. Yes, that too, is often confused with zaa .ز

[*Mahzala*]

Question: There are seven heavy letters in the Arabic alphabet and are often confused with the lighter of similar pronunciation. What are they? And what are they confused with?

The seven heavy letters are:
ح
ص
ض
ط
ظ
ع
ق

Below, I have made a table which shows the more common sounds on one side (left) and the close sounds (right) on the other. I hope this helps.

[Laila]

The seven heavy letters are:
ح
ص
ض
ط
ظ
ع
ق

Below, I have made a table which shows the more common sounds on one side (left) and the close sounds (right) on the other. I hope this helps.

Definitely informative, and something i can relate to. I gotta admit, I have a slight problem with differentiating between ه and ح especially when i am trying to write, not as much when i am reading. But when i need to write, i really have to think about the differences and which letter is proper to use.

Thread is very helpful indeed, thank you

[IamDZJ]

does any one else pronounce ص differently than it is mentioned in the chart up there or m i in my own little nutshell as always? don't we pronounce it as "swat"?

[Laila]

^ I was taught to pronounce it as 'swat' but now i pronounce it as 'saad'