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if u look at the proponents of concepts like eugenics, its always atheists.
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There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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Hmm tor khan, did you read the entire 'article'? Because I'm sure that if you did, you would mock it for its simplicity, deceitfulness and stupidity. It's clearly authored by a deceitful albeit unintelligent person.
It's a copy/paste job from this blog and someone just has to skim through it to tell that most of the information there is inaccurate and is deliberately misrepresented. In fact, one wonders whether or not an atheist has authored that blog in order to mock Christians.
For example:
"Muslims/atheists/Russians are just terrible people, not on average, but as a whole".
Now this is something Bill O'reilly would say and we'd all laugh at him. Anyone who even concurs to that statement would be a fool.
Secondly, Jihad Watch would take out quotes from the Quran and al-Bukhari to make conclusions ranging from "Islam is intrinsically evil" to "there is no such thing as a good Muslim". This is exactly what the author of this blog does:
"It is an article of passionate faith among "politically correct" biologists and anthropologists that brain size has no connection with intelligence; that intelligence has nothing to do with genes; and that genes are probably nasty fascist things anyway".
How is this racist? Brain size does have a connection with intelligence and all humans, ranging from black Africans to far-east Asians have the same average brain-size as a species. Einstein, a Semitic Jew had a larger-than-average brain. This would've been racist if it were asserted that certain genes that are predominant in Caucasian people (which would include brown Afghans, Indians, Persians along with Swedes and Germans, incidentally) are not found in Negroid people. Lastly, the theory of evolution states that all humans have a common origin and we are still the same species so I don't see how atheism can 'preach' racism.
The 'article' also quotes Richard Lynn, a man who is widely condemned in the scientific community and the 'scientific' basis of his experiments is questionable at best. Regeh Omar did a piece on him (and the relationship between 'race' and intelligence) and you should definitely check it out. To state that Lynn represents the scientific community is akin to claiming that Osama bin Laden and Muslims who believe that suicide attacks against civilians are justified represent all Muslims.
And then it goes on to say this:
It's basically a rant instead of an intelligent article, which it tries to evolve into but fails.Everybody knows that basically 100% of atheists are racists (atheists especially know). The preservation of the race is the utmost goal for the atheist or racist (it’s the same thing).
Racists atheists are split into two categories:
- Those that pretend not to be racist
- Those that do not pretend not to be racist
Now people like Jamaudein believe that the Pashtun nation magically appeared in the 7th century out of three people so I suppose he is entitled to believe what he wants and such blogs will make sense to him. In any case, scientifically, there are no "races" in human beings. All humans (homosapeans) are one race. We are all one species of African migrants, according to the scientific understanding of the world. Now even within ethnic groups, you can have people of varying intelligence. For example, look at me and then look at Jamaludin. There's a world of a difference between our intellectual capacities. Furthermore, why are white Afghans collecting garbage in Punjab while brown Punjabis are building fighter jets?
Lastly, this article only represents one of many schools of thought in the scientific community. While many biologists assert that genes play a huge part in what we are, there are an equal number of psychologists who say that intelligence comes not from genes but from cognitive learning (Behaviorism)."If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".Comment
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LZ - Salaam! If it at all apppeared that I was in agreement with the article, then no, not at all. Mine was a passing comment on my experience of living with 'political' racism. These groups in Europe almost always have articulate well presented people at their leadership level. Whilst some may defend Europe as a Christian fortress, often at the core of their 'rational racism' are values that fit closer with atheism than Christianity. In fact many are equally hostile to Christianity. A key example of this was a conversation I had with a certain someone who was an activist on the political scene who very calmly told me that he was an advocate of social and racial evolutionary theory. This was the reasons why whites were racially superior according to him. He believed it had nothing to do with God but was something that had been occurring since the first people began to evolve into a better/stronger version than our common African ancestors. That is why Europeans had technologies whilst in Africa two storey buildings were unheard of until the European conquest.
Make of that what you will but it doesn't rest comfortably with me since that kind of Darwinistic argument has been used by people to justify any number of historical human rights abuses. That includes Hitler, Engles etc.Last edited by tor_khan; 01-05-2012, 04:25 AM.
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Yes, I've read. Pseudo-scientific digressions of someone with limited intellectual capacity. It's not even manipulation because manipulation requires cunning mind.Originally posted by Jamaludeen View Post
More specifically - there is lack of evidence to prove generalizations.
Jamaludeen, how could you so thoughtlessly quote such nonsense? Only because it fits to your beliefs? If you really believe that all atheists are racists and want to convince someone, then please do some intellectual effort and write something good, what will make sense and what will really prove your thesis.دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابهComment
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I blame the Wahabism, its all the Wahabism, this is what it does to you.
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Okay,let us agree for sake of argumentation that it has to do with Wahabism
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what about this man ?
Kingdom of Heaven - Salahuddin slays evil fat man. great scene. Salahuddin promised to kill this fat idiot with his own hands, promise fulfilled – YouTube
Wahabism doesnt existed in his times
alhamdulillah on that day (when Jerusalem was conquered) soldiers of islam beheaded all Templars except for some Templars who escaped.High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.
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How is it non-sense? Because you say so...Originally posted by Yasmeenaah View Post
X thinks that A is a bs artist, and tells B about it, but B doesn't necessary has to believe X, since X will have to explain on why X thinks that A is a bs artist with supported proof...
To me, your post is nonsense. How could you generalise a whole article based on 1 line without even discussing the arguments the author proposed. So just because of Hitler, we should assume.. that all germans are nazis.. So just because of one line, that you didn't like or enjoy, we should assume that the whole article is bs... I don't see the logic in that..
Nice try..Comment
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LZ says this article is stupid? Why? Because he says so...
LZ says the author of the article is stupid and unintelligent? Why and how? Because he says so..
LZ says Brain size determines intelligence? How and WHy? Supporting notes.. nono because he says so..
LZ says Jamaludeen iis unitelligence and that he himself is a very intelligent sane person? Jamaludeen says how? How the hell did you measure your intellgence? DId you use a measure tape? I need one too.. it must be god damn accurate... again no supporting documents..
not even a definition of intelligence? wtf is intelligence? can we see intelligence? lol...
Oh well, i will not even bother arguing with you..
you intellect is no match for mine son... and quit with your ad hominems and other fallacies.. it makes you sound even more dumber...
Atheists..=Stupid.Comment
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the more you will talk, the more you will be exposed.. :PComment
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Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
I agree with you that even though it has been scientifically proven that one's skin color and ethnicity have nothing to do with intelligence, there are many racists in Europe who still want to claim that white people are superior. And they base this on some sort of pseudoscientifc knowledge. In fact, "white" people aren't even a race. Brown Indians share the same genes with blue-eyed Poles and Lithuanians and are considered Caucasian.
In fact, there is, in most cases, a direct relationship between racism and the influx of immigrants in most European states. European Xenophobia always takes the form of racism. And those racists need scientific justification for their beliefs. During earlier times, the Europeans believed that black Africans had been cursed by God and that's why they're as they appear. Now they've been cursed by nature, apparently.
However, I don't think it's fair to associate evolutionary science with eugenics much in the same way that it's unfair to equate Christianity with the Inquisition and Islam with 9/11.
Originally posted by Jamaludeen View Post
The author of the blog you posted made huge claims and provided either no evidence or engaged in quote-mining and misrepresenting facts in order to give legitimacy to his wild assertions. I've debunked most of them in my post on page two of this thread.
And yeah, anyone who took that blog seriously after having read it must be a very unintelligent and gullible person because of the obnoxious claims made in that piece and the concocted evidence used to support them.
By the way, it's "more dumb" - "more dumber" is grammatically incorrect."If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".Comment
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again...
LZ says he is unintelligent.. he is gullible.. so jamaludeen asks how? and he says because he made obnoxious claims.. because they do not fit in with his view.. :Pwithout any supporting proof...
then he again throws in some ad hominems in order to sound smart.. but reality is .. he sounds even more dumb everytime he posts.. without any factual evidence...
he also ignores what i said..
LOL
i bet this LZ also thinks that all africans are the same.. lol just because they are coloured..Comment
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What did I ignore?Originally posted by Jamaludeen View Post
Obnoxious and unproven claims in that blog:
- Atheists are just terrible people, not on average, but as a whole.
^ unsubstantiated, blanket statement.
- Misrepresenting Richard Lynn as mainstream, acceptable science.
- Everybody knows that basically 100% of atheists are racists (atheists especially know). The preservation of the race is the utmost goal for the atheist or racist (it’s the same thing).
Racists atheists are split into two categories:
- Those that pretend not to be racist
- Those that do not pretend not to be racist
^ unsubstantiated claim.
- In public they’ll say something like:
“I view everyone as equal, everyone is equal in my eyes, I don’t care about anyone’s race, it just doesn’t matter to me, it just doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, it just doesn’t matter at all”
^ Straw-man argument
(and there are dozens more if you had cared to read the blog you posted).
The author also ignores the fact that European racism originated, evolved and became institutionalized in Christian Europe and not the atheist-Europe of the 20th century. Hitler was also a Christian and so were his Nazi thugs.
Perhaps if you manage to explain the claims made in your cherished blog, you might be taken seriously. Otherwise, this will be considered the trolling exercise that this is."If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".Comment
- Atheists are just terrible people, not on average, but as a whole.
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see how he just says.. blanket statement.. straw man..without really explaining it..and backing it up with proof.. he also cherry picks... little bits of it...
what you are doing is making just baseless statements... he ignores the whole article...and of course he would.. oh well LZ.. :P
"You breaked my heart"
this is my last post to you, unless you write something that is worthy for me to read it..Comment
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What's wrong with calling a spade a spade? Any reasoned argument would be free from blanket statements and straw-man arguments.
Your failure to defend the claims made in that blog you posted are evident in your evasion of any criticism of it. Let's start with the easy part then, shall we:
Atheists are just terrible people, not on average, but as a whole.
^ Prove it by taking the godless philanthropist Bill Gates and Asa Philip Randolph, the atheist American civil-rights movement and the American labor movement member as examples. The article failed to prove it all atheists are horrible people despite claiming that. But you should now prove it with sufficient and satisfactory evidence.
If you can do that, we can move to the other claims in the article that need proving and clarification."If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".Comment
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LZ getting thanked and me not getting thanked is argumentum ad populum..
faye..
just so you know
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