Question to the atheists

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

your little brain cannot digest the truth...no wonder you get down to little ad hominems and you think.. you have achieved much. You are definitely a lewanaye.

Now let me ask you a question? Did your tribe exist before 1000 AD? .. Isn't it is Qais Abdur Rashid.. that all Pashtuns tribes trace back their lineage too.. Didn't he accept Islam? LOL..If he was a muslim.. then his sons must have been muslims..and all his sons must have passed the religion down to their sons... Isn't that how religion and culture is passed down?

Even, if you can show us some tribes that were pagan..hindu.. It still doesn't change the fact that we are all descended of Qais Abdur Rashid...who was a Muslim... Durranis..Hotakis..Kakars...MOhammadzai.. can all trace back their lineage to him..

It doesn't matter what pashtuns were before 1000 AD.. if it does..then the onus is on you to prove and show us which of the tribes that exist now.. existed back then.. and whether they were pagan.. hindu..kafir..

See, I just proved that you and soldout khamir are both...deviant outkasts..who are social rejects in Afghan/Pashtun Society..

And once again, you display for all to see your profound lack of knowledge.

The Qais story is as much a myth as the one that Pashtuns are the ancestors of Khalid bin Walid or Ali ibn Abu Talib and that the moon is made out of cheese. The Middle-Eastern "J" halogroup is rare amongst Pashtuns, who are predominantly R1a1 and hence not Semitic in origin. Most Pashtun tribes are descendants of the tribes that came down from Central Asia into India, from 1000BC until well during the period of the Delhi Sultanate (the last major tribe to descend from Central Asia into Afghanistan were the Khiljis or Ghiljis, as they are known today). The Abdalis came down during the era of the White Huns, which was again, one of the many ages when hordes of tribes from nomadic Central Asia swept into the plains of India and Persia for loot and to settle.

In fact, in ~500BC, Herodotus wrote about the tribes of Packtya and the Apridai people, both of whom were warrior-people that lived on the frontiers of India.

All of this proves that for thousands of years, Pashtuns were pagans, Hindus and Buddhists. The archaeological evidence is another matter altogether.

Seriously, read a book. Or better still, go back to the Random Thoughts thread where you belong and flirt with the other 12 year old girls over there and show your Afghan-ness and Muslim-ness to them.

[JAMALUDEEN]

And once again, you display for all to see your profound lack of knowledge.

The Qais story is as much a myth as the one that Pashtuns are the ancestors of Khalid bin Walid or Ali ibn Abu Talib and that the moon is made out of cheese. The Middle-Eastern "J" halogroup is rare amongst Pashtuns, who are predominantly R1a1 and hence not Semitic in origin. Most Pashtun tribes are descendants of the tribes that came down from Central Asia into India, from 1000BC until well during the period of the Delhi Sultanate (the last major tribe to descend from Central Asia into Afghanistan were the Khiljis or Ghiljis, as they are known today). The Abdalis came down during the era of the White Huns, which was again, one of the many ages when hordes of tribes from nomadic Central Asia swept into the plains of India and Persia for loot and to settle.

In fact, in ~500BC, Herodotus wrote about the tribes of Packtya and the Apridai people, both of whom were warrior-people that lived on the frontiers of India.

All of this proves that for thousands of years, Pashtuns were pagans, Hindus and Buddhists. The archaeological evidence is another matter altogether.

Seriously, read a book. Or better still, go back to the Random Thoughts thread where you belong and flirt with the other 12 year old girls over there and show your Afghan-ness and Muslim-ness to them.

According to LZ... the historian..the kafir historian.

12 years old girls even come here, I didn't know that? You must know all about them... you pedophile...

Every time you bark.. it further proves my point..that you are a non-pashtun.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were into incest...as well

since God does not exist for you, and no one is watching

[JAMALUDEEN]

Now answer this to me..

How do you atheist kafirs..who have no morals..who prey on young 12 years old girls..on pashtunforums..relate to Pashtuns/Afghanistan/National Anthem/Flag and our way of life?

I have answered you LZ..now it is time.. you answer us..

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

According to LZ... the historian..the kafir historian.

12 years old girls even come here, I didn't know that? You must know all about them... you pedophile...

Every time you bark.. it further proves my point..that you are a non-pashtun.

You're the kafir here, hiding the truth. You presented me with a myth and I presented you with a verifiable historical narrative and since you cannot respond to it, you reply with another childish and meaningless post.

The fact is that Pashtuns changed their religion probably many times over in the past and you have just been proven wrong quite comprehensively.

Your sarcasm detection meter is also broken, apparently. "12 year old" was not meant to be taken literally.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were into incest...as well

since God does not exist for you, and no one is watching

So if tomorrow, you find out that God doesn't exist, is that what you'll do? I'm sorry but the very question reflects the level of your thinking. It's not just immature, it's also disgusting to even think along those lines. You should be ashamed of yourself.

So is there anything else you'd like to say here before you return to flirting with kids your age in the Random Thoughts thread?

Now answer this to me..

How do you atheist kafirs..who have no morals..who prey on young 12 years old girls..on pashtunforums..relate to Pashtuns/Afghanistan/National Anthem/Flag and our way of life?

I have answered you LZ..now it is time.. you answer us..

So I suppose when one has been proven wrong, he resorts to trolling...

[JAMALUDEEN]

You're the kafir here, hiding the truth. You presented me with a myth and I presented you with a verifiable historical narrative and since you cannot respond to it, you reply with another childish and meaningless post.

The fact is that Pashtuns changed their religion probably many times over in the past and you have just been proven wrong quite comprehensively.

Your sarcasm detection meter is also broken, apparently. "12 year old" was not meant to be taken literally.





So if tomorrow, you find out that God doesn't exist, is that what you'll do? I'm sorry but the very question reflects the level of your thinking. It's not just immature, it's also disgusting to even think along those lines. You should be ashamed of yourself.

So is there anything else you'd like to say here before you return to flirting with kids your age in the Random Thoughts thread?

You are just like smitir, you are both dishonest....

hahahahahahahahhaa

you accuse me of flirting with 12 years old..and i proved you wrong that i didn't.. and also proved that it is actually you who likes to perv on 12 years olds...

you are just trying to save a face.

Have some shame...oh wait.. you are an atheist.. atheists do not believe in shame.. as shame is the killer of opportunity as some would put it.. another non-pashtun..non-islamic trait that you got..

the rest of your post is irrelevant.. you are a traitor....just like the commies.. with no shame...

disgusting..

[graveyardofempires]

Jamaludeena

prey yee da bechara khatem dey.

i feel sorry for such people who will never be accepted as pashtuns.
instead of accepting the truth they try to change the history for their benefit and agenda.LOL

wesharmegey pe dwaro jahanuno.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

you accuse me of flirting with 12 years old..and i proved you wrong that i didn't.. and also proved that it is actually you who likes to perv on 12 years olds...

You misunderstood me.

You said that Pashtuns are Muslims only and non-Muslims cannot be Pashtuns. And then I said that Pashtuns have been non-Muslims for thousands of years - in fact, they have been non-Muslim longer than they have been Muslims. They were worshiping stones and rocks only 1000 years ago.

You also said that Pashtuns don't change their religion. Then I pointed out to you that Pashtuns changed their religions from Buddhism to Islam and before that, from nomadic paganism to Buddhism and/or Hinduism.

Then you said that Pashtuns don't follow the ways of their conquerors and then I showed you that Pashtuns have adopted the religion and partial-language of their Arab and Turkish conquerors.

So the premise of your thread that Pashtun = Muslim has been defeated. Please don't derail the discussion at hand by posting childish and out-of-context remarks.

Have some shame...oh wait.. you are an atheist.. atheists do not believe in shame.. as shame is the killer of opportunity as some would put it.. another non-pashtun..non-islamic trait that you got..

Another straw man "argument"? Will you ever grow up?

[Michin Khel]

Jamaludeena

prey yee da bechara khatem dey.

i feel sorry for such people who will never be accepted as pashtuns.
instead of accepting the truth they try to change the history for their benefit and agenda.LOL

wesharmegey pe dwaro jahanuno.

Its true that athiests can never be accepted as part of pashtun society but i think they have right to live among us as human beings

[JAMALUDEEN]

You misunderstood me.

You said that Pashtuns are Muslims only and non-Muslims cannot be Pashtuns. And then I said that Pashtuns have been non-Muslims for thousands of years - in fact, they have been non-Muslim longer than they have been Muslims. They were worshiping stones and rocks only 1000 years ago.

You also said that Pashtuns don't change their religion. Then I pointed out to you that Pashtuns changed their religions from Buddhism to Islam and before that, from nomadic paganism to Buddhism and/or Hinduism.

Then you said that Pashtuns don't follow the ways of their conquerors and then I showed you that Pashtuns have adopted the religion and partial-language of their Arab and Turkish conquerors.

So the premise of your thread that Pashtun = Muslim has been defeated. Please don't derail the discussion at hand by posting childish and out-of-context remarks.

Another straw man "argument"? Will you ever grow up?

Pashtun tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Something for you from wikipedia.... you seem to be ignorant of our past.

You still haven't answered my question.... please do so your utmost honesty.... i encourage you to be honest one time, you will feel good.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Its true that athiests can never be accepted as part of pashtun society but i think they have right to live among us as human beings

Their existence and views do more social harm than good. Just look at what happened to Afghanistan, when the commies came... they can belong in sindh..and punjab, if you want?

To be honest, they should go become part of communities, who share the same views as them, and stop perverting the people of Afghanistan with their wicked views.

[graveyardofempires]

Its true that athiests can never be accepted as part of pashtun society but i think they have right to live among us as human beings

but as we can see they arent acting like human beings but they want us all to follow their fitna.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Its true that athiests can never be accepted as part of pashtun society but i think they have right to live among us as human beings

Yeah, people whose beliefs deviate from what is considered the norm are often shunned during their time.

Take Pir Rokhan for example.

Read the topic of this thread.. dumb ass..

It is actually you who is trolling... you atheists will never answer this as you know... you will be proven as non-pashtun..non-afghan..and traitors...

Answer me.. have some shame...you little pedophile..oh wait you are an atheist.. i forgot.

Perhaps all of this "you are not a Pashtun!!11!" is coming from some sort of insecurity on your own part?

In any case, the language and tone in that post is anything but decent and decency is the first attribute that one relates with Pashtuns.

Your straw man statements aren't helping your cause.

Jamaludeena

prey yee da bechara khatem dey.

i feel sorry for such people who will never be accepted as pashtuns.
instead of accepting the truth they try to change the history for their benefit and agenda.LOL

wesharmegey pe dwaro jahanuno.

Perhaps you would like to correct the little historical narrative I posted and specify exactly where and how I was wrong. That would be more beneficial than this ranting.

[graveyardofempires]

bechara leka che pe reshtay leewanay shoo.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Pashtun tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Something for you from wikipedia.... you seem to be ignorant of our past.

You still haven't answered my question.... please do so your utmost honesty.... i encourage you to be honest one time, you will feel good.

Jamal, you just embarrassed yourself again. Did you even care to read what was in the link that you sent me? Here's what it says:

Traditionally, according to folklore, all Pashtuns are said to have descended, at the time of the introduction of Islam, from the tribe of Qais Abdur Rashid, who died in 662 CE, and his three sons: Saraban, Batan and Ghurghusht.

Folklore: a body of widely held but false or unsubstantiated beliefs.

The Qais story is as mythical as the dragon that St.George slew in his folklore.


And which question? The question about what I feel about the religious language on Pashtun flags and what not? I've already answered it - I'm indifferent to it. I couldn't have cared less if it were the the Ankh of Tutankhamen on them.

Now please be a little serious here and answer my retorts to your claims. Why have Pashtuns changed their religion so often? Why have they adopted the religion of a people who conquered and humiliated them?

[JAMALUDEEN]

Jamal, you just embarrassed yourself again. Did you even care to read what was in the link that you sent me? Here's what it says:

Traditionally, according to folklore, all Pashtuns are said to have descended, at the time of the introduction of Islam, from the tribe of Qais Abdur Rashid, who died in 662 CE, and his three sons: Saraban, Batan and Ghurghusht.

Folklore: a body of widely held but false or unsubstantiated beliefs.

The Qais story is as mythical as the dragon that St.George slew in his folklore.


And which question? The question about what I feel about the religious language on Pashtun flags and what not? I've already answered it - I'm indifferent to it. I couldn't have cared less if it were the the Ankh of Tutankhamen on them.

Now please be a little serious here and answer my retorts to your claims. Why have Pashtuns changed their religion so often? Why have they adopted the religion of a people who conquered and humiliated them?

so this is all wrong.. all that has been taught in Afghanistan is wrong.... my father who studied there is wrong..my uncle is wrong... the books my uncle has are all wrong...

they are all a bunch of made up stories...

LOL