Question to the atheists

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

OK Lavaneea Lets hold palaver. And it is palaver because I feel that this discussion has been had a thousand times now a thousand and one.

Its not your discussion of Islam, its your incoherence and contradictory nature.

Take for example your views on history and your own people. If you have lived there, you know full well what the true state of affairs are in the village and what the average Pashtun views as important. But you SUBVERT this.

I don't recall ever trying to prove that Pashtuns are generally not religious.

You create an anti reality and revise or neglect history that is uncomfortable for you. Yet you decry the Muslim revisionist who dares question the holocaust or some other Western assertion. This is the accusation you make against the hardcore Muslims, but you do the same thing!

I like to believe that I'd put my weight behind whoever has the best evidence. I don't remember choosing any position without reviewing the evidence from both sides.

Take for instance your repeated assertions justifying American incursions into Afghanistan. You blithely state: well Osama and a group of Arabs did a terrorist attack on America and that justified America entering Afghanistan. Then, you predicate your support for the Karzai government and the former Najib government (two governments with nearly diametrically opposed views on capitalism) based on this.

That is a matter of opinion. Some still glorify Al-Qaeda and the Taliban regime despite their human rights record and their subservience to Punjab and they are free to choose to believe as they do. Virtually every terrorist organization from Punjab had set up its office in Afghanistan during that era and since we couldn't get rid of them ourselves, the Americans did it for us. Or does holding that position stop me from being a Pashtun?

As for Karzai and Najeebullah, I'm not an ideologue nor am I an extremist. I oppose both states of mind.

Yet you gloss over the very important history of what America did to create the mess, instead deciding, without substance or proof that the typical Pashtun communist retort of "Brzenzski dunnit" suffices. You know full well it does not. You know full well what sort of incursions and adventures on the part of the Western powers and their interventionalism created this mess.

Can you please further elaborate on this point?

You know full well what the rural masses live like and what they are comfortable with.

Ghaznavi is in an entirely different boat than you. From day 1 here, when you see his oldest posts he clearly states that he may not agree with the ground level Afghan... he does not believe in the same theological constructs as the rural masses... but he admits freely that this is what Afghanistan is and was. He does not try to create an anti reality where Pashtuns were bangra bagra ing it up, where Khushaal Khan Khattak could go and pay some visits to Zergunaay's house and take her out for coffee.

If Khushal Khan were alive today, he would've been killed by the Taliban or their Al-Qaeda allies a long time ago. As it is, the Arabs generally hate to see their conquered peoples practicing their own cultures or speaking their own languages. The Taliban couldn't even leave Rahman Baba in peace and bombed his shrine. And I don't think they would've appreciated the following couplet:


شېخ دې لمونځ روژه کا زه به ډکې پيالې اخلم
هرسړی پيدا دی خپل خپل کار لره که نه

He does not create this false construct that you and others do where Pashtuns were like some sort of Soap Opera melodrama of love devoid of any sort of societal mores.

Where have I created a false construct? Can you tell me exactly where I've done this?

And also, if we talk about insults, let us think for a minute about what the village mother will tolerate or the village elder.

From you we have heard about scotch on the rocks, Lindsay Lohan looking good in skirts, and Veena Malik being brave.

To many in our areas these are offensive as much as Graveyard and AFG21's language toward eachother, if not more.

So LZ cannot even make a joke every now and then? I'm sorry, Barakzai seb but I can't be serious like you all the time.. It's not in my nature.

Take in other instances your blithe postings without serious investigation before you do it, regarding Islamic injunctions.

For instance you posted the hadith that supposedly discusses chess, a board game the Arabs had yet to encounter, and just said here: fatwa proves its haraam. And then you sat back and confidently assumed you had just made Islamic theology look backwards, idiotic, and foolish when in fact it was your own inadequate research on the subject that made you look that way.

With people like graveyard, emkhan (he claims that non-Muslims smell bad because of their beliefs lol), al-arab, al-hanif, al-habibi wal-kababi, etc around, do you really think that I, of all people, will Islam look backwards and foolish?

Yeah, I just did a ctrl+f on my Sahih Muslim PDF. What do you know, I was wrong. I'm fallible, after all.

I mean your views are not hard to figure out, you basically march lock stock and barell with the prototypical ANPiite view of what Pashtuns should be, but are not.

Again, I don't remember ever posting anything about how any individual should be, let alone the Pashtun nation.

And this is the massive chasm of difference between you and the Amir. He has stated clearly that secular democracy, atheism, amongst other ideological constructs are not native to Afghanistan and are not palatable to the masses. He views Afghanistan as it is, not as he wishes it to be.

Even his commentaries on Islam, he does not go to the local polemic website called answeringislam.com and cut and paste from there, and not have read up on the topic.

Again, I've never said that Pashtuns are liberals who believe in democratic values and what not. If you read my last post, I have stated that Pashtuns hold many different views.

Lastly, I have never borrowed any argument from answering-islam. I find that website appalling and deceitful.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Even though you say that, you do have a problem with people's beliefs.

Beliefs are the source of people's actions. For the most part you do disagree with the actions of Muslims. Most that do apostatize do have a problem. For example osho believes that "ghairat" is a sign of backwardness and a hinderence for pashtuns to "modernize". You believe that Islamic Laws should be replaced with Secular Laws ...but if that were to happen in effect muslims wouldn't be as muslim as christians are christains in the west - only in name.

Morality does not come from religion. I know of many Muslim Pashtun males who commit zina and are not even ashamed of it. I don't share this habit with them. So that would make me more Muslim than them in a manner of speaking.

Osho is entitled to his opinions just like you are to yours.

It is not in the magesterium of science to explain to you how to live your life.

Oh no, you just invoked NOMA...

To be honest, people end up leading their lives however they like, Muslim, Christian or Hindu!

Even if you were believe in debunked pseudoscientific theories like evolution

I'm still waiting for you to scientifically disprove evolution and win the Pashtun nation its first Nobel prize. Bachaa Khan came close but he couldn't win, he only got a nomination. What's stopping you?

That the selfish gene compels you to work for your own interests above the rest? That you must sleep with as many women as possible and spread your seeds as much as possible otherwise you wouldn't be fulfilling your function?

Hey hey, I'm an opponent of polygamy, not its proponent!

Regardless of what you "believe"...if you go to afghanistan as a pashtun and an afghan (and not what your other passport says) and declare your atheism...by law...you will be hanged!
It doesn't matter what YOU believe...it matters more what the community believes.

My beliefs are very personal to me and I don't wear them on my sleeve. I don't advocate them and I don't think they make me better than anyone else. I might not smell as good as you or emkhan but I'm still a nice guy, okay? I'm sure there are many others who always end up asking themselves - is it really real? What does it all mean?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Religion is only a private matter in the west where muslims are a minority... so they have to cope with the laws of the majority.. isn't that how democracy works?

However, in case of Afghanistan, it is a whole different case. Despite all the ethnicities, Afghanistan is still 99% muslims...and if you think that the kalima and allahu akbar only has symbolic value, then you are just being ignorant...

The flag and the national anthem of a country is the representation of the people.......

yawazey khudai poyeshi chi desta pa zrey ki cheshai da aw aga teh da afghanistan sara meena larey ya nah...

teh woos ham peh koshish ki yey chi pe yaw las ki dwa indwaney wonesi..

So what you're saying is that myself, Soldat, osho, Kakarr and many others are not Pashtun despite the fact that we descend from Pashtun tribes, we speak Pashto and we are all Pashtun nationalists? How does one cease to be a Pashtun?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Were there no Pashtuns before 1000AD? Why do Pashtuns say their nation is 6,000 years old? Are they as deluded as me?

By the way, since you're so big on this, I have a few questions for you:

- Do you wear kamis pardug everyday?
- Do you wear a patka, pakol or shamla?
- Do you have a Sunnah beard?
- Do you pray five times a day in a mosque?
- Do you hold hands with your male friends in a non-sexual way?

The answer to most of these questions is no. Therefore, you are not a Pashtun. You don't follow Pashtun culture and you don't even have a Sunnah beard (which, according to you, is a part of Pashtun culture, ya habibi). You don't pray five times a day in a mosque and neither do 90% of the rest of the members here.

[Soldat_Amir]

So what you're saying is that myself, Soldat, osho, Kakarr and many others are not Pashtun despite the fact that we descend from Pashtun tribes, we speak Pashto and we are all Pashtun nationalists? How does one cease to be a Pashtun?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Were there no Pashtuns before 1000AD? Why do Pashtuns say their nation is 6,000 years old? Are they as deluded as me?

By the way, since you're so big on this, I have a few questions for you:

- Do you wear kamis pardug everyday?
- Do you wear a patka, pakol or shamla?
- Do you have a Sunnah beard?
- Do you pray five times a day in a mosque?
- Do you hold hands with your male friends in a non-sexual way?

The answer to most of these questions is no. Therefore, you are not a Pashtun. You don't follow Pashtun culture and you don't even have a Sunnah beard (which, according to you, is a part of Pashtun culture, ya habibi). You don't pray five times a day in a mosque and neither do 90% of the rest of the members here.

Lewanay vrora.....Jamal is a hypocrite himself, he spends most of his time on this forum flirting with female members and he calls himself a righteous follower of al Islam, does he know, the segregation laws also apply to the Internet.

Anyway, back on topic.

Lewanay Vrora, its cool, let these Talib supporters from America,West sleeping in their cosy beds watching American sitcoms call us Non Pashtuns, its okay zma vrora I would rather be an ancestor of a Real Pashtun, you know, the tribesmen who gave their blood to fight off the Arabs and Turks and preserve their real culture and religion than these confused minded Arab slaves who walk around judging who is a Pashtun or not while they sit in America or any other Western country.

Just like the Pakis, Jamal like people's history starts with Islam and ends with Islam, just like the Pakis whose history starts in the 40s and ends........Such people are a obstacle one must just brush aside with all other fanatics and loony bins.

One day, i hope Jamaludeen, gets booted as a slave labourer in UAE or Saudi Arabia, and let him taste the beauties of his holy land, when they lash him to move faster.

Preshza da, da khalq doo nambar dee, Jamal cant even resist to chat up female members on this forum, then he dons the Jihadi and "I am the Pashtun" suit jsut to troll more decent and intelligent members on this forum.


Jamaludeen, for your own information, I have worked with charities in DI Khan and even physically handed out rations and aid to fleeing IDPS from Waziristan in 2009.

Now, from that one true and honest act, what have you exactly done for the Pashtun people besides sit there and call others Non Pashtun.

Go back to your hole where you belong.

[Soldat_Amir]

EM Khan you ever smelt the dirty gutters of Pakistan? Nobody you ran away and live in clean Britain.

[Soldat_Amir]

You always talks of loy afghanistan and leavany zalmay is a big supporter of loy afghanistan..you two have this in common but you are rejecting him because he is an athiest?

Zma vrora

Graveyard of empire, thinks the Afghan Taliban are fighting for a loy Afghanistan. This goes to show his mentality and knowledge.

He is a person you just brush side or give him a rupee to silence his jibberish.

He ignores ground realities and theory. He ignores who educated the Taliban and from what ideology they inherited.

Taliban oppose all forms of Nationalism including Loy Afghanistan, because they refuse anything outside the identity of Islam and being a slave to Punjab.

Grave probably was not even born during the Talib rule, he probably has not read any book related to the Taliban.

He see's a few videos on youtube and then comes to the conclusion that the Taliban are fighting for a Loy Afghanistan.

He considers using children as suicide bombers reasonable and holy while he sponges off the German tax payers money living on welfare and being a complete "duffar".

Its these kind of people that give us Pashtuns a very bad name. They have no logic nor rationality on anything.

If graveyard met a Talib and told him "hey roara, I hear your fighting for a Loy Afghanistan against these Punjabis"

Talib 100 percent would reply "Silence, they are our Mujahid brothers, how dare you speak of dividing the Pro Talib Ummah of Pakistan, they fed us, and protect us, and most of the Mujahid were educated in their madrassahs by Punjabi Pakistani Madrassah teachers, we cant blame Pakistan for what they did, they are a poor muslim country with the only nuclear bombs"

I know for a fact, Graveyardofempires would switch sides and change his whole views and become bhai bhai of Punjabi Mujahids hahaha

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Lewanay vrora.....Jamal is a hypocrite himself, he spends most of his time on this forum flirting with female members and he calls himself a righteous follower of al Islam, does he know, the segregation laws also apply to the Internet.

Anyway, back on topic.

Lewanay Vrora, its cool, let these Talib supporters from America,West sleeping in their cosy beds watching American sitcoms call us Non Pashtuns, its okay zma vrora I would rather be an ancestor of a Real Pashtun, you know, the tribesmen who gave their blood to fight off the Arabs and Turks and preserve their real culture and religion than these confused minded Arab slaves who walk around judging who is a Pashtun or not while they sit in America or any other Western country.

Just like the Pakis, Jamal like people's history starts with Islam and ends with Islam, just like the Pakis whose history starts in the 40s and ends........Such people are a obstacle one must just brush aside with all other fanatics and loony bins.

One day, i hope Jamaludeen, gets booted as a slave labourer in UAE or Saudi Arabia, and let him taste the beauties of his holy land, when they lash him to move faster.

Preshza da, da khalq doo nambar dee, Jamal cant even resist to chat up female members on this forum, then he dons the Jihadi and "I am the Pashtun" suit jsut to troll more decent and intelligent members on this forum.


Jamaludeen, for your own information, I have worked with charities in DI Khan and even physically handed out rations and aid to fleeing IDPS from Waziristan in 2009.

Now, from that one true and honest act, what have you exactly done for the Pashtun people besides sit there and call others Non Pashtun.

Go back to your hole where you belong.

Ao.. da khalak zaan ta Afghanan wayii kho pa fikr ke sam Pakistanyan di. Bal sok da mazhab pa num spakawal ao sahar makhaam mazhab-deen-imaan pa gharra garzawal da Pakistanyano da ttolo na khwakh adatuna di.

Pa sa waja doi nashi zghamalay che bal sok ham khpal soch ao fikr laralay shi. Khudai khabar day che walay mung na dumra kraka kawi.

[Insaaf_انصاف]

I'm not an atheist, but i'm happy to see that there are " reasonnable " pashtuns in this forum .

[JAMALUDEEN]

Zma vrora

Graveyard of empire, thinks the Afghan Taliban are fighting for a loy Afghanistan. This goes to show his mentality and knowledge.

He is a person you just brush side or give him a rupee to silence his jibberish.

He ignores ground realities and theory. He ignores who educated the Taliban and from what ideology they inherited.

Taliban oppose all forms of Nationalism including Loy Afghanistan, because they refuse anything outside the identity of Islam and being a slave to Punjab.

Grave probably was not even born during the Talib rule, he probably has not read any book related to the Taliban.

He see's a few videos on youtube and then comes to the conclusion that the Taliban are fighting for a Loy Afghanistan.

He considers using children as suicide bombers reasonable and holy while he sponges off the German tax payers money living on welfare and being a complete "duffar".

Its these kind of people that give us Pashtuns a very bad name. They have no logic nor rationality on anything.

If graveyard met a Talib and told him "hey roara, I hear your fighting for a Loy Afghanistan against these Punjabis"

Talib 100 percent would reply "Silence, they are our Mujahid brothers, how dare you speak of dividing the Pro Talib Ummah of Pakistan, they fed us, and protect us, and most of the Mujahid were educated in their madrassahs by Punjabi Pakistani Madrassah teachers, we cant blame Pakistan for what they did, they are a poor muslim country with the only nuclear bombs"

I know for a fact, Graveyardofempires would switch sides and change his whole views and become bhai bhai of Punjabi Mujahids hahaha

Everyone is well-aware of your contributions to this forum. Wasn't it you who trolled this forum with different aliases, switching sides on each return, and getting banned each time.

Wasn't it you who swore at all kandaharis, as you were made to look stupid.. with your dumb pro western arguments..

Isn't it you who is anti-islam? even though you know that 99% of Afghanistan is muslim.. and that with every anti islamic rant of yours, you are disrespecting everyone..

You posed as a pakistani onetime, American one time, M16 chamcha another onetime.. and the list goes on..

Please stop projecting your own faults on others...

What you and your commie friends fail to realise is that, what me or GOE want for Afghanistan is actually to allow the people of Afghanistan to choose their own future.. and that means no interference by foriegners, in making their internal decisions... which means, that if people of Afghanistan were faithless like you, they would go with communism..or some other western system... but reality is quite the contrary...

and then because the fraud, intellectually dishonest,and ignorant fool that you are....making dry accusations..which are untrue.. you go on saying "Jamaludeen live in the west, cosy in bed..flirt with girls...hoho haha... why not want same thing for afghan..not fair... Afghan poor.. no food..no job...afghans forced being muslims by arabs"

Its because dumb ass, we actually want the people to choose their own future, and if they want to side with the taliban, then it is their choice...who are you to tell them, what to do? Didn't you and comrades do enough damage already?

now let me slap you with a bit of reality...

Guess what? Taliban are no one else but the people of Afghanistan themselves...

Guess what, you will never be accepted as a pashtun, as you are a deviant outkast..who does not believe in Allah...

Guess what, you will be considered a spy..

Guess what? As long...as muslims are majority in Afghanistan, you will never succeed with your little pro western agendas.

Truth is bitter. Learn to cope with it..and stop making false accusations...

skirt.

[Soldat_Amir]

Ao.. da khalak zaan ta Afghanan wayii kho pa fikr ke sam Pakistanyan di. Bal sok da mazhab pa num spakawal ao sahar makhaam mazhab-deen-imaan pa gharra garzawal da Pakistanyano da ttolo na khwakh adatuna di.

Pa sa waja doi nashi zghamalay che bal sok ham khpal soch ao fikr laralay shi. Khudai khabar day che walay mung na dumra kraka kawi.

Aow kana! da khalq pa Western countries shay nastee dee, Western tax paisay kreee, aow meez ta ya yee chee tuse Pashtin na yee aoe tuese Kuffur yeee.

Da dooo nambar khalq deee!

Ar yu Pashtin pa mu zra shay deee, Muslim nor Not, da khalq na gwaree chee Pashtin progress shee, Da afsos khabara da cheee daygh day Pa west shay nust deee aow meeez ta yee cheee kim Pashtin westernized wee aow Secular wee da day Pashtun dushman deee.

Worray warkseee, doo nambar khalq...doday kreee pa West shay aow ma ta ya yeee Afghanistan tu gwanay khalq na goreee!

Pa DI Khan shay, mu sumraaa khalq khizmat mu waka, paisay paghar, toola reeez mu ghat ghat reezay aow UN aid sacks mu khalqoo ta wray ka wal.

Da Jamaludeen aoe GOE cha kareee deee Pashtin pura?

[Soldat_Amir]

Everyone is well-aware of your contributions to this forum. Wasn't it you who trolled this forum with different aliases, switching sides on each return, and getting banned each time.

Wasn't it you who swore at all kandaharis, as you were made to look stupid.. with your dumb pro western arguments..

Isn't it you who is anti-islam? even though you know that 99% of Afghanistan is muslim.. and that with every anti islamic rant of yours, you are disrespecting everyone..

You posed as a pakistani onetime, American one time, M16 chamcha another onetime.. and the list goes on..

Please stop projecting your own faults on others...

What you and your commie friends fail to realise is that, what me or GOE want for Afghanistan is actually to allow the people of Afghanistan to choose their own future.. and that means no interference by foriegners, in making their internal decisions... which means, that if people of Afghanistan were faithless like you, they would go with communism..or some other western system... but reality is quite the contrary...

and then because the fraud, intellectually dishonest,and ignorant fool that you are....making dry accusations..which are untrue.. you go on saying "Jamaludeen live in the west, cosy in bed..flirt with girls...hoho haha... why not want same thing for afghan..not fair... Afghan poor.. no food..no job...afghans forced being muslims by arabs"

Its because dumb ass, we actually want the people to choose their own future, and if they want to side with the taliban, then it is their choice...who are you to tell them, what to do? Didn't you and comrades do enough damage already?

now let me slap you with a bit of reality...

Guess what? Taliban are no one else but the people of Afghanistan themselves...

Guess what, you will never be accepted as a pashtun, as you are a deviant outkast..who does not believe in Allah...

Guess what, you will be considered a spy..

Guess what? As long...as muslims are majority in Afghanistan, you will never succeed with your little pro western agendas.

Truth is bitter. Learn to cope with it..and stop making false accusations...

skirt.

The truth is your living in the west and calling others Non Pashtuns.
Your a little kid who has just reached puberty.
Spend your time wisely and flirt with cyber girls on the random thoughts thread.
I am not a commie, Iam a Pashtun Nationalist, even from that you would find it difficult to understand common sense and logic.
If you want to propose Islamic teachings upon the Pashtuns, then be a following Muslim and leave the West.
Pray 5 times a day, speak to only males on the net and never listen to music.

You can never do these things because your a born hypocrite.

Afghanistan will remain backward and uncivilised if people like you, the hypocrites living in secular countries but preach the opposite to your native kin.

Like I said, run along to your hole where you belong.

Afghanistan will progress, change and become a modern state. No longer will the Mullahs rule.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Lewanay vrora.....Jamal is a hypocrite himself, he spends most of his time on this forum flirting with female members and he calls himself a righteous follower of al Islam, does he know, the segregation laws also apply to the Internet.

Anyway, back on topic.

Lewanay Vrora, its cool, let these Talib supporters from America,West sleeping in their cosy beds watching American sitcoms call us Non Pashtuns, its okay zma vrora I would rather be an ancestor of a Real Pashtun, you know, the tribesmen who gave their blood to fight off the Arabs and Turks and preserve their real culture and religion than these confused minded Arab slaves who walk around judging who is a Pashtun or not while they sit in America or any other Western country.

Just like the Pakis, Jamal like people's history starts with Islam and ends with Islam, just like the Pakis whose history starts in the 40s and ends........Such people are a obstacle one must just brush aside with all other fanatics and loony bins.

One day, i hope Jamaludeen, gets booted as a slave labourer in UAE or Saudi Arabia, and let him taste the beauties of his holy land, when they lash him to move faster.

Preshza da, da khalq doo nambar dee, Jamal cant even resist to chat up female members on this forum, then he dons the Jihadi and "I am the Pashtun" suit jsut to troll more decent and intelligent members on this forum.


Jamaludeen, for your own information, I have worked with charities in DI Khan and even physically handed out rations and aid to fleeing IDPS from Waziristan in 2009.

Now, from that one true and honest act, what have you exactly done for the Pashtun people besides sit there and call others Non Pashtun.

Go back to your hole where you belong.

I have always considered all the girls in here as my sisters.

Therefore, Keep your cheap tactics for someone else.. in order to avoid my arguments.. as they won't work on me.

Why don't you take politics in England, and leave the people of Afghanistan alone...

England is a very progressive country.. as you may put it..and you will love it.

Change your name to peter and dye your hair blonde.. It will suit you.. you will fit in better as well..

Afghanistan doesn't need garbage bags like you..anyways..

and stop with the paki non sense, the people of Pakistan are actually nice people.. it is actually their government and army that i don't agree with..

You are full of hate....

I suggest, you take a chill pill like smiterxedge..and avoid the forum for a while...

[JAMALUDEEN]

The truth is your living in the west and calling others Non Pashtuns.
Your a little kid who has just reached puberty.
Spend your time wisely and flirt with cyber girls on the random thoughts thread.
I am not a commie, Iam a Pashtun Nationalist, even from that you would find it difficult to understand common sense and logic.
If you want to propose Islamic teachings upon the Pashtuns, then be a following Muslim and leave the West.
Pray 5 times a day, speak to only males on the net and never listen to music.

You can never do these things because your a born hypocrite.

Afghanistan will remain backward and uncivilised if people like you, the hypocrites living in secular countries but preach the opposite to your native kin.

Like I said, run along to your hole where you belong.

Afghanistan will progress, change and become a modern state. No longer will the Mullahs rule.

You are anti Afghan and Anti Pashtun, as you are just a selfish little pommie wannabe...

You promote atheism and try to push it down peoples throat with your anti islamic rants.. knowing well that majority of Afghans are muslim..

You consider them as backward because they believe in Allah (If you loved your people, you wouldn't disrespect their faith)..

The same is true about LZ as well...

I am a pashtun, i'm also a muslim.. i can speak both of my countries languages... i am not a racist.... I respect the decision that people of afghanistan make about their future.. I do not want others interfering in afghanistans affairs.. especially not commies like you and lz...and the west..

Good luck with your agendas.. you will not suceed though..

Go ahead, make accusations...

thats what you atheists are good at.. nothing more.. < i'm flirting.

[JAMALUDEEN]

So what you're saying is that myself, Soldat, osho, Kakarr and many others are not Pashtun despite the fact that we descend from Pashtun tribes, we speak Pashto and we are all Pashtun nationalists? How does one cease to be a Pashtun?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Were there no Pashtuns before 1000AD? Why do Pashtuns say their nation is 6,000 years old? Are they as deluded as me?

By the way, since you're so big on this, I have a few questions for you:

- Do you wear kamis pardug everyday?
- Do you wear a patka, pakol or shamla?
- Do you have a Sunnah beard?
- Do you pray five times a day in a mosque?
- Do you hold hands with your male friends in a non-sexual way?

The answer to most of these questions is no. Therefore, you are not a Pashtun. You don't follow Pashtun culture and you don't even have a Sunnah beard (which, according to you, is a part of Pashtun culture, ya habibi). You don't pray five times a day in a mosque and neither do 90% of the rest of the members here.

You are everything, that is the opposite of being a pashtun.

First, Pashtuns are muslims, you are not.
Second, you are an atheist...Atheists don't care about no one else but themselves,(The Selfish Gene) in the west people live more of individualistic life..not a collective life (Pashtun way of life).. the contradictions??? which ones again.. what you are trying is "peh yaw las ki dwa indwaney nesey"..
Third, you disrespect Afghans by disrespecting their religion, and throw around sarcastic remarks..which are not even funny.
Fourth, You will never be accepted in the Afghan society, when you come clean about your beliefs..
Fifth, you consider them backward...and blame everything on their religon..
Sixth, you consider their way of life backward...
Seventh, your hero is a communist...who was the reason by the deaths of so many...
Eighth, it is unreasonable for an atheist to follow "Pashtunwali" which is very old and backward according to you...

i could go on..

but you get the picture..

good attempt at hijacking my thread for your own sick agendas....

[JAMALUDEEN]

Ao.. da khalak zaan ta Afghanan wayii kho pa fikr ke sam Pakistanyan di. Bal sok da mazhab pa num spakawal ao sahar makhaam mazhab-deen-imaan pa gharra garzawal da Pakistanyano da ttolo na khwakh adatuna di.

Pa sa waja doi nashi zghamalay che bal sok ham khpal soch ao fikr laralay shi. Khudai khabar day che walay mung na dumra kraka kawi.

nahi bhai jan, mein Pakistani nahi hoon, leykan..ekk baath mein app ko batta deta hoon.. muje ek Pakistani par app sey zyada barosa hai...

mein kissi se nafrat nahi karta, leyken woo dosri bhaat hai key mein pakistan ki hokomat aur fouj key khilaf hoon..

Samjey Bachoo..

Abhi jaoo or kahi aur apni nafrat kho kharij karo..