Question to the atheists

[JAMALUDEEN]

nigga i dont give a FUKK what some loser decrees what "afghan" should mean

Daddy was Pakhtun, Daddys Daddy was a Pakhtun, end of story

Was your daddy also NWA (I'm sure he was not)? Because being an NWA is very unafghan as well.

[graveyardofempires]

who cares nigga, every day athiests become muslims, muslims become christians, christians become buddhists

so what nicca

is this supposed to prove the superiority of your faith?

what the hell are you talking about?you are not ozy so why come here start talkign crap.
a question for you : d you think your elders were idiots by being muslims?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

^ The swedish and danish flag have crosses in them, but their state constitution, their institutions and their culture is mainly irreligious. Crosses are pagan symbols...but that is besides the point.l

The question posed was that ...in Afghanistan, you atheists would be hung to death for being the apostates that you are. For Afghanistan you are dead and disowned.

Sure there are more atheists in sweden and denmark, but not in Afghanistan.

And who cares what poets say when the most recited book in Afghanistan is the Qur'an....Surely europe has lost its masculinity and even religion, but what happens in europe won't necessarily happen in Afghanistan.

The OP asks on where your allegiance lies. The common Afghan believes in Allah...and the phrase "Allah u Akbar" means that Allah is greater than any other thing which you are attached to...be it even the land of Afghanistan. So when you deny this aspect of Afghan nationalism, you are in effect "disrespecting" the nation...don't you think?

How will my personal beliefs disrespect anyone? After all, even within Muslims, there are so many divisions as to the very nature of Allah. Some say He has a physical form and others say He is everywhere and is hence formless. They both make takfir upon one another at every opportunity. I do not see how one's beliefs can disrespect anyone else. People should be free to have their own beliefs. What sort of a world would it be where we force people to believe as we do on pain of death?

This might be too much for some members of Pashtun Forums to grasp but for me, a person's beliefs are of very little consequence. Since the dawn of man, we have sought answers to questions regarding our existence and the purpose of our lives and many different belief systems have spawned as a result. Religion, to me, is a personal matter and I have no problems with atheists, agnostics, practicing Muslims, people who are Muslim by name, zealots, etc. A person's beliefs are as of as much importance to me as the colour of their skin.

You speak the truth. Never lose hope. Islam rises again and again. Its bigger than Muhammad Omar or any movement. Even if they killed off all of us and created a world of Afghans of secular leanings and atheism, in their own sons God would reveal himself again and one of their children would pick up the Quran and turn towards it. When the Mongol hordes raided Baghdad and made the masjidoona into stables for their horses and when the Russians invaded Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and wrote "There is no deity and Lenin is the prophet" they even failed to erase Islam from existence.

Now the sons of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan retain their Islam against this onslaught.

God protects Islam and even if all 1/5 of the world's population of Muslims were holocausted, it would reappear and rise again.

Contrary to what LZ says, the deeper we study and more we see the beauty of this world and its order and the more science pervades our minds the closer we turn to our creator.

I relish this onslaught and know that it is a cleansing process. Let them assault Islam from every angle, intellectual, physical, monetary, and otherwise and even still it will rise up again.

I don't have anything against Islam, nor do I wish that it ends or is "defeated". As far as matters of belief are concerned, I'm completely indifferent - that is my position on the subject. I care not who people worship because they choose to believe what they do and they are entitled to their beliefs. I do not identify people with regards to their beliefs in deities but I do so with regards to their nations.

My belief is that Islam is very far from dying. 14 centuries after the end of the revelation, Islam is still shining and religions in their political form are still the main factor which controls international relations (Jews by Zionism and Muslims by Islamism litterally rule the world).

You might think that Europe came to atheism because it is more rational, more accurate to scientific knowledge. It is your belief. My belief is that they actually came closer to Islam.

They went from Trinity to half of the truth = half of the Shahada = La ilaha = There is no god

Remember that Judaism is much older than Islam and is currently reaching it's peak.

Like I mentioned earlier, it is my belief that religion will eventually be replaced by a scientific understanding of the world but I never said that it should be that way nor did I say that I want it to be that way. I am simply apathetic to its fate. I might very well be wrong and hence I carefully mentioned that it was just my opinion, which could very well be the opposite of the truth.

Afghan anthem or flag does not represent atheists.
event he Afghan government is an Islamic republic and partly runned by sharia.

Atheism is a theological and philosophical matter and it has no link with an individual and his feelings towards or relationship with his nation or state.

In fact, throughout history, the most ardent nationalists have always been, at the very least, apathetic to theological considerations.

How is sweden and Denmark related to Afghanistan? Our cultures, values and set of beliefs are way different than theirs... Just because the people from those countries deviated from their religion and beliefs..doesn't mean the same will happen in Afghanistan. If the people of Afghanistan wanted change..such is the change brought by the invaders? The people would have deviated away from their beliefs .. long time ago.

There are and there have been patriotic religious Afghans, patriotic Afghans who believe in secular democracy, patriotic Afghans who believe in Marxism, patriotic Afghans who believe in monarchy, patriotic Afghans who prefer the jirga system over a centralized government, etc, etc. Should we pick and choose who love their country the most?

In my opinion, a person's religion is his or her private matter. It does not make them any less Pushtun than anyone else. There is a lot of difference between culture and beliefs.

After all, if we follow your theory that Pashtun = Muslim, then we have to believe that before ~1000AD and Mahmud of Ghazni, there were no Pashtuns on the face of the earth.

So to answer your question very briefly, it makes no difference to me whatsoever whether the Afghan national anthem mentions Allah or the deity of any other religion nor does it make an iota of difference to me whether Afghans are Muslims or atheists.

No che ta da Afghanano pa zhabay pohegay no pa dwanrro ghwaguno wawra che ze da har yare na beghair wayalay shama che sumra meena ao mohabbat che ze laram ao Maseed lari da pukhto ao da pukhtano ao da haghoi da watan khowray sara, ta cherta ham da haghe lasama barkha nashay laralay.

Ze che kum qadar kawum da khpal watan, ze ye hich chaa ta da sabitawalo dapara mazur neyam. Ao khafgan kho da day khabaray day che staso ghwanday khalak sok che da kharjiano pa hewaduno ke warsara pa qalar wosegai dalta da day khowray khalko banday tor lagawai che staso daa ao staso haghaa..

Bachai, ta ba sa pohegay che da qaam meena sa shi ta wayi? Che bal ta guta nisay, salor gutay berta zaan ta wi. Che lag loy shay no pakhpala ba poye shay.

[graveyardofempires]

^
loserssssss
trying their best to be accept as Afghans but have no characteristics.

the point is that Afghanistan doesnt represent you and when you are to stand and sing the national anthem as a patriot you will have to say Allah u Akbar evne though it says nothing about you.

the same for the flag LA ILAHA ILA ALLAH MUHAMADU RASUL ALLAH and under that ALLAHU AKBAR the rest of emblem shows inside of a mosque.
so much for your nationalistic dreams.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

who cares nigga, every day athiests become muslims, muslims become christians, christians become buddhists

so what nicca

is this supposed to prove the superiority of your faith?

That's obviously not true.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe.

In fact, by 2025, at least 25% of Europe will be Muslim. I saw that on a YouTube video that was uploaded by someone from Stormfront or the BNP or something. But it's true!!


In any case, I will speak on behalf on Ozymandias here because he is apparently busy beheading people or stoning people to death or doing the other crazy stuff that atheists do.. hehe..

Yeah, in the West, these conversions are possible because there is freedom of religion. However, in the sorts of theocracies that Alchemist, graveyard and others envision, religious conversions will result in people being beheaded. So that's the difference. Thanks for the thread.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

^
loserssssss
trying their best to be accept as Afghans but have no characteristics.

Culture does not equal beliefs. Language and way of life does.

the point is that Afghanistan doesnt represent you and when you are to stand and sing the national anthem as a patriot you will have to say Allah u Akbar evne though it says nothing about you.

I say Assalamoeleikum to a whole bunch of people everyday upon whom I actually wish everything but peace lol... And I've lived my entire childhood singing "Paak saarrr Zameeeeeen shaaaad baaaaaad" lol and trust me, it didn't have its intended effect. I also visit the mosque on Akhtar and on certain Fridays and I don't feel bad about praying at all. Again, this might shock you but I cannot explain to you how indifferent I am to people's beliefs in astral deities.

the same for the flag LA ILAHA ILA ALLAH MUHAMADU RASUL ALLAH and under that ALLAHU AKBAR the rest of emblem shows inside of a mosque.
so much for your nationalistic dreams.

Thanks for raiding this and this takes me back to my original point that the flag of the UK carries two crosses and not one yet most people who salute it and die for it are either non-religious or completely indifferent to deities and their commands.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

you are not ozymandis so piss off with your anti muslim rant.

How do such an aggressive attitude and the use of such abusive language fit in with your Islamic values of patience and modesty? Are you really a Muslim?

[graveyardofempires]

Culture does not equal beliefs. Language and way of life does.

stop deluding yourself


I say Assalamoeleikum to a whole bunch of people everyday upon whom I actually wish everything but peace lol... And I've lived my entire childhood singing "Paak saarrr Zameeeeeen shaaaad baaaaaad" lol and trust me, it didn't have its intended effect. I also visit the mosque on Akhtar and on certain Fridays and I don't feel bad about praying at all. Again, this might shock you but I cannot explain to you how indifferent I am to people's beliefs in astral deities.
they will still not accept you,and this shows how you are two faced for one talking trash about people and try to demonise them and for other you go and act different when aroudn them.





Thanks for raiding this and this takes me back to my original point that the flag of the UK carries two crosses and not one yet most people who salute it and die for it are either non-religious or completely indifferent to deities and their commands.

The cross is not symbol of christianity and it doesnt say anything abotu a religion.It is also the cross of saint george not your typical os called christian cross.
The Afghan flag has the tetimony of faith on it along with Allahu Akbar and a mosque and you are trying to compare ti to the "not so sure" british flag.

Desperate much hey?

[graveyardofempires]

How do such an aggressive attitude and the use of such abusive language fit in with your Islamic values of patience and modesty? Are you really a Muslim?

why does it even matter to someone as deluded as you?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

why does it even matter to someone as deluded as you?

I'm just saying...

I've observed that Alchemist, yourself, unknownprince and other self-proclaimed Muslims use the most foul language on these forums and most of you are always very aggressive and angry all the time.

From what I know, Islam teaches sabr (patience) and the use of harsh language is also discouraged. I find here on PF that the most ardent fighters for the sake of Islam are the ones who most often go against its very basic teachings.

[graveyardofempires]

I'm just saying...

I've observed that Alchemist, yourself, unknownprince and other self-proclaimed Muslims use the most foul language on these forums and most of you are always very aggressive and angry all the time.

From what I know, Islam teaches sabr (patience) and the use of harsh language is also discouraged. I find here on PF that the most ardent fighters for the sake of Islam are the ones who most often go against its very basic teachings.

wow now a sor kapir will teach us about Islam.
if you abuse our religion than expect nothing in return.

os wrek sha i wasnt talking to you,do you lack attention or something?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

wow now a sor kapir will teach us about Islam.
if you abuse our religion than expect nothing in return.

os wrek sha i wasnt talking to you,do you lack attention or something?

I know more about Islam than you. When you go against its principles, I should, as a favor to you, remind you to get back on the straight path.

I'm confused. When did I abuse anyone's religion?

Again, such harsh language. Why do you detest me? I can assure you, I do not have such hatred for you or anyone else.

[emkhan]

I'm just saying...

I've observed that Alchemist, yourself, unknownprince and other self-proclaimed Muslims use the most foul language on these forums and most of you are always very aggressive and angry all the time.

From what I know, Islam teaches sabr (patience) and the use of harsh language is also discouraged. I find here on PF that the most ardent fighters for the sake of Islam are the ones who most often go against its very basic teachings.

OMG... a secularist is talking about Islam... what a day..
Secularists are the worst mouthed guys on this planet. They will start using abusive language as soon as they start losing their temper. But they will always use soft, respective and beautiful language for veena malik type people.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

The cross is not symbol of christianity and it doesnt say anything abotu a religion.It is also the cross of saint george not your typical os called christian cross.
The Afghan flag has the tetimony of faith on it along with Allahu Akbar and a mosque and you are trying to compare ti to the "not so sure" british flag.

Desperate much hey?

Islam has no symbolical image that represents it and hence, the shahada is used as its representation in images. The crescent is, contrary to popular belief, a Turkish symbol and not an Islamic one.

And St.George's Cross, along with St.Andrew's Cross, the Orthodox Christian Cross, the Coptic Cross, the Gnostic Cross, St.Thomas' Cross and other crosses are symbols of Christianity and nothing else. There is no such thing as a "typical" Christian cross.

[graveyardofempires]

this is lewaney's tactic

Muslim Son and Dad fights Australian Cameraman - YouTube