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  • #31
    Sweden and Denmark and mostly atheist/agnostic yet their flags show crosses. So are those atheist Danes and Swedes bad citizens? Or do they hate being Swedish and Denmark because their flags have crosses on them?

    The flag of the UK has two crosses on it (St. George's and St. Andrew's) and its head of state is also the leader of its official church - which would make the UK, technically speaking, a theocracy. And yet, the pioneer in modern skepticism and rationalism is the UK (England, specifically speaking).

    My point is that religion was, is and will be (for the foreseeable future) a part of every nation's and tribe's identity and culture. In fact, what many of us do not know is that some very everyday phrases of the English language actually come from the Bible.

    It is my belief, however, that as time progresses, atheism or non-belief will become the norm and will be replaced by a rational and scientific understanding and explanation of the world. And then nations and tribes will look back at their monotheistic days just as we monotheists currently look back at our pagan pantheist days.

    The mention of God, or gods, in a song, hymn, poem or national anthem only adds to their wonder and doesn't take away from it. If one wants to nitpick, he/she may stop enjoying Ghani Khan, Khushal Khan, Hamza Baba, Rahman Baba and all the other great Pashto poets because they mention God in their poetry. In fact, I would personally stop reading George R. Martin and Tolkein ,too, if I had issues with God/gods because both these authors mention gods and supernatural beings in their books.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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    • #32
      ^ The swedish and danish flag have crosses in them, but their state constitution, their institutions and their culture is mainly irreligious. Crosses are pagan symbols...but that is besides the point.l

      The question posed was that ...in Afghanistan, you atheists would be hung to death for being the apostates that you are. For Afghanistan you are dead and disowned.

      Sure there are more atheists in sweden and denmark, but not in Afghanistan.

      And who cares what poets say when the most recited book in Afghanistan is the Qur'an....Surely europe has lost its masculinity and even religion, but what happens in europe won't necessarily happen in Afghanistan.

      The OP asks on where your allegiance lies. The common Afghan believes in Allah...and the phrase "Allah u Akbar" means that Allah is greater than any other thing which you are attached to...be it even the land of Afghanistan. So when you deny this aspect of Afghan nationalism, you are in effect "disrespecting" the nation...don't you think?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
        ^ The swedish and danish flag have crosses in them, but their state constitution, their institutions and their culture is mainly irreligious. Crosses are pagan symbols...but that is besides the point.l

        The question posed was that ...in Afghanistan, you atheists would be hung to death for being the apostates that you are. For Afghanistan you are dead and disowned.

        Sure there are more atheists in sweden and denmark, but not in Afghanistan.

        And who cares what poets say when the most recited book in Afghanistan is the Qur'an....Surely europe has lost its masculinity and even religion, but what happens in europe won't necessarily happen in Afghanistan.

        The OP asks on where your allegiance lies. The common Afghan believes in Allah...and the phrase "Allah u Akbar" means that Allah is greater than any other thing which you are attached to...be it even the land of Afghanistan. So when you deny this aspect of Afghan nationalism, you are in effect "disrespecting" the nation...don't you think?
        You speak the truth. Never lose hope. Islam rises again and again. Its bigger than Muhammad Omar or any movement. Even if they killed off all of us and created a world of Afghans of secular leanings and atheism, in their own sons God would reveal himself again and one of their children would pick up the Quran and turn towards it. When the Mongol hordes raided Baghdad and made the masjidoona into stables for their horses and when the Russians invaded Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and wrote "There is no deity and Lenin is the prophet" they even failed to erase Islam from existence.

        Now the sons of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan retain their Islam against this onslaught.

        God protects Islam and even if all 1/5 of the world's population of Muslims were holocausted, it would reappear and rise again.

        Contrary to what LZ says, the deeper we study and more we see the beauty of this world and its order and the more science pervades our minds the closer we turn to our creator.

        I relish this onslaught and know that it is a cleansing process. Let them assault Islam from every angle, intellectual, physical, monetary, and otherwise and even still it will rise up again.
        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
          It is my belief, however, that as time progresses, atheism or non-belief will become the norm and will be replaced by a rational and scientific understanding and explanation of the world. And then nations and tribes will look back at their monotheistic days just as we monotheists currently look back at our pagan pantheist days.

          It is your belief.

          My belief is that Islam is very far from dying. 14 centuries after the end of the revelation, Islam is still shining and religions in their political form are still the main factor which controls international relations (Jews by Zionism and Muslims by Islamism litterally rule the world).

          You might think that Europe came to atheism because it is more rational, more accurate to scientific knowledge. It is your belief. My belief is that they actually came closer to Islam.

          They went from Trinity to half of the truth = half of the Shahada = La ilaha = There is no god

          Remember that Judaism is much older than Islam and is currently reaching it's peak.


          Millions of Muslims in the street to pray: Ramadhan 2010; Alexandria (Egypt) - YouTube

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          • #35
            this is a ridicolous thread.

            it doesnt matter what i believe, or what some random poster on this site thinks, my daddy was a kakar, his daddy was a kakar, and his daddy was a kakar, and so im a kakar pakhtun

            facts is facts, jack. beliefs come and go, passports change, addresses change, blood is forever

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
              this is a ridicolous thread.

              it doesnt matter what i believe, or what some random poster on this site thinks, my daddy was a kakar, his daddy was a kakar, and his daddy was a kakar, and so im a kakar pakhtun

              facts is facts, jack. beliefs come and go, passports change, addresses change, blood is forever
              mr nwa...

              answer the question......

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                Sweden and Denmark and mostly atheist/agnostic yet their flags show crosses. So are those atheist Danes and Swedes bad citizens? Or do they hate being Swedish and Denmark because their flags have crosses on them?

                The flag of the UK has two crosses on it (St. George's and St. Andrew's) and its head of state is also the leader of its official church - which would make the UK, technically speaking, a theocracy. And yet, the pioneer in modern skepticism and rationalism is the UK (England, specifically speaking).

                My point is that religion was, is and will be (for the foreseeable future) a part of every nation's and tribe's identity and culture. In fact, what many of us do not know is that some very everyday phrases of the English language actually come from the Bible.

                It is my belief, however, that as time progresses, atheism or non-belief will become the norm and will be replaced by a rational and scientific understanding and explanation of the world. And then nations and tribes will look back at their monotheistic days just as we monotheists currently look back at our pagan pantheist days.

                The mention of God, or gods, in a song, hymn, poem or national anthem only adds to their wonder and doesn't take away from it. If one wants to nitpick, he/she may stop enjoying Ghani Khan, Khushal Khan, Hamza Baba, Rahman Baba and all the other great Pashto poets because they mention God in their poetry. In fact, I would personally stop reading George R. Martin and Tolkein ,too, if I had issues with God/gods because both these authors mention gods and supernatural beings in their books.

                How is sweden and Denmark related to Afghanistan? Our cultures, values and set of beliefs are way different than theirs... Just because the people from those countries deviated from their religion and beliefs..doesn't mean the same will happen in Afghanistan. If the people of Afghanistan wanted change..such is the change brought by the invaders? The people would have deviated away from their beliefs .. long time ago.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Jamaludeen View Post
                  mr nwa...

                  answer the question......
                  What was the question lol, i forget

                  Anyways its a moot point if i go back home im growing the beard and dusting off the old sura yasin

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                  • #39
                    I'm surprised at how quiet the atheists are.. in regard to this.

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                    • #40
                      Afghan anthem or flag does not represent atheists.
                      event he Afghan government is an Islamic republic and partly runned by sharia.

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                      • #42
                        post some videos of atheists converting to Islam ...if you really wanna grind his gears..

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                        • #44
                          who cares nigga, every day athiests become muslims, muslims become christians, christians become buddhists

                          so what nicca

                          is this supposed to prove the superiority of your faith?

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                          • #45
                            Originally posted by Jamaludeen View Post
                            I'm surprised at how quiet the atheists are.. in regard to this.
                            nigga i dont give a FUKK what some loser decrees what "afghan" should mean

                            Daddy was Pakhtun, Daddys Daddy was a Pakhtun, end of story

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