Question to the atheists

[JAMALUDEEN]

In this thread, we can ask our fellow Afghan atheist members questions.

My first question is..

How do you guys relate to the national anthem of Afghanistan? In the national anthem it clearly states that we will follow the one God and If you don't believe in the existence of God. Aren't you guys disrespecting Afghans and Afghanistan, and most importantly muslims...while you say it but don't mean it.

I just want to know your views.. Don't flame. my question is genuine.

thank you . here is the national anthem.

National Anthem of Afghanistan - YouTube

دا وطن افغانستان دی دا عزت د هر افغان دی
کور د سولی کور د توری هر بچی یی قهرمان دی
دا وطن د تولو کور دی د بلوچو د ازبکو
د پښتون او هزاره وو د ترکمنو د تاجکو
ورسره عرب، گوجر دی پامیریان، نورستانیان
براهوی دی، قزلباش دی هم ایماق، هم پشه ییان
دا هیواد به تل ځلیږی لکه لمر پرشنه آسمان
په سینه کی د آسیا به لکه زړه وی جاویدان
نوم د حق مودی رهبر وایو الله اکبر وایو الله اکبر

Translation

This land is Afghanistan – It is the pride of every Afghan
The land of peace, the land of the sword – Its sons are all brave
This is the country of every tribe – Land of Baluch, and Uzbeks
Pashtoons, and Hazaras – Turkman and Tajiks with them,
Arabs and Gojars, Pamirian, Nooristanis
Barahawi, and Qizilbash – Also Aimaq, and Pashaye
This Land will shine for ever – Like the sun in the blue sky
In the chest of Asia – It will remain as the heart for ever
We will follow the one God – We all say, Allah is great, we all say, Allah is great

[Al Hanif]

The day you will see a Persian telling you Iran is the land of Arabs or an Arab telling you his land is the land of Pashtuns, this day, trust me, is close to the Day of Judgment.

Why isn't Persian ethnicity included ? Are there more ethnic Arabs than ethnic Persians in Afghanistan ? Is it because you hate Shias ? If yes, then why are Hazaras included ?

The only explanation is that this anthem is a joke. It was made by globalist puppets in power. Non-Pashtuns in desguise who hate everything about Afghanistan like the secularists in this forum.

I have one question : is there any Afghan who really feels Afghan ? Or you feel more Pashtun than Afghan ? (I'm talking about nationality, I know that Afghan actually means Pashtun)

What I mean is : is there any Pashtun who loves Tajiks and Hazaras as much as he loves Pashtuns ? Is there brotherhood between those people or did it never existed ?

I can see Pakistani Pashtuns and Pakistani Punjabis being proud of Pakistan even if this country is an historical nonsense but I'm not sure I've ever seen the same thing about Afghanistan.

My opinion on the subject :


Pashtunistan should be a federal state of the future Caliphate with his own borders and the Durand line should be abolished. Borders should be based on ethnicities instead of historical nonsense.

Pashtunistan should be the land of Pashtuns, Punjabistan the land of Punjabis, Persia the land of Persians, Tajikistan the land of Tajiks, Arabia the land of Arabs... all of this being federal semi-independant states of the United States of Islam, under sharia law

[badmash_khel]

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persians are known as parsiwans or tajiks in Afghanistan. persian is greek and western term. natives don't use it. anways farsi language was adopted and made into modern farsi by natives of northern afghanistan, southern uzbekistan and tajikistan.

Yes, Afghans do feel Afghan. For pashtuns its easy to have the Afghan nationality because all of our modern history is shapped by pashtuns and national heroes and important figures are mainly pashtuns. pakistani pashtuns don't have the same luxury because pakistani heroes are people like allama iqbal, jannah, who are mostly non pashtuns. so its far easier for pashtuns of afghanistan to be connected with their national identity than pashtuns of pakistan. take the example of turkey, turks feel much more at ease with Turkey than kurds because Turkey history is shapped by them.

i agree with your other points though. the modern borders are made by colonialists to cause problems.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Al Hanif...How can caliphate exist without a caliph though?

You are doing exactly the same thing forigners are doing, dividing the country based on ethnicities.. which is unislamic... you do realise that ethnicity breeds in-group bias? Its psychologically proven...

[Punjabi]

Punjabistan ????
I never heard it
Do you mean " Khalistan "

[JAMALUDEEN]

I'm still waiting for Soldat Amir and LZ's response..

[Al Hanif]

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persians are known as parsiwans or tajiks in Afghanistan. persian is greek and western term. natives don't use it. anways farsi language was adopted and made into modern farsi by natives of northern afghanistan, southern uzbekistan and tajikistan.

Yes, Afghans do feel Afghan. For pashtuns its easy to have the Afghan nationality because all of our modern history is shapped by pashtuns and national heroes and important figures are mainly pashtuns. pakistani pashtuns don't have the same luxury because pakistani heroes are people like allama iqbal, jannah, who are mostly non pashtuns. so its far easier for pashtuns of afghanistan to be connected with their national identity than pashtuns of pakistan. take the example of turkey, turks feel much more at ease with Turkey than kurds because Turkey history is shapped by them.

i agree with your other points though. the modern borders are made by colonialists to cause problems.

nice answer, thanks

Al Hanif...How can caliphate exist without a caliph though?

You are doing exactly the same thing forigners are doing, dividing the country based on ethnicities.. which is unislamic... you do realise that ethnicity breeds in-group bias? Its psychologically proven...

I didn't meant that Afghanistan should be divided rather than all ethnic groups in the Ummah should be more autonomous. That's what I wish because Utopia (=no borders and a Calip) will not happen before the coming of the Mahdi. The situation is the following : Pashtuns in Pakistan are ruled by Punjabis who only care about Punjabis, the life of the minorities in Afghanistan is extremely bad.

Nationalism is idolatry, Nationalism is the cancer of the Ummah but...

what I meant is that I wish the existing borders were more accurate borders to avoid conflicts and hatred.

There should be no borders in the Ummah territory but borders based on ethnicities are better than borders based on the will of colonial powers.

So I want to unite but the current situation is worse than anything else

I don't understand what you mean by "ethnicity breeds in-group bias" ?

[badmash_khel]

I'm still waiting for Soldat Amir and LZ's response..

They are not atheists, just part time funky muslims brothas.

[JAMALUDEEN]

nice answer, thanks



I didn't meant that Afghanistan should be divided rather than all ethnic groups in the Ummah should be more autonomous. That's what I wish because Utopia (=no borders and a Calip) will not happen before the coming of the Mahdi. The situation is the following : Pashtuns in Pakistan are ruled by Punjabis who only care about Punjabis, the life of the minorities in Afghanistan is extremely bad.

Nationalism is idolatry, Nationalism is the cancer of the Ummah but...

what I meant is that I wish the existing borders were more accurate borders to avoid conflicts and hatred.

There should be no borders in the Ummah territory but borders based on ethnicities are better than borders based on the will of colonial powers.

So I want to unite but the current situation is worse than anything else

I don't understand what you mean by "ethnicity breeds in-group bias" ?

In-group

To be honest, as a muslim...you should make islam the core of your personal and group identity. Ethnicity, race, color etc., breeds in group - out group bias. Whats next.. muslims from africa should have their own state because they are all black.. why even confine them in these imaginary borders based on ethnicities..

Pashtuns claiming they are superier, tajeks claiming they are superier..then you have conflict in your hand.

[Al Hanif]

In-group

To be honest, as a muslim...you should make islam the core of your personal and group identity. Ethnicity, race, color etc., breeds in group - out group bias. Whats next.. muslims from africa should have their own state because they are all black.. why even confine them in these imaginary borders based on ethnicities..

Pashtuns claiming they are superier, tajeks claiming they are superier..then you have conflict in your hand.

You are right.

[Soldat_Amir]

I'll answer this question as logically as possible. Can Arkhii Jamaludeen show me where on the Afghan Anthem does it say "Afghanistan is the land of Taliban, should be ruled by Sharia, stone women and young girls to death, and Hamid gul is our king"?????

Jamaludeen, would singing the national anthem with a rabab mean its un-Afghan? when infact the Rabab is unislamic and there are 1000s of Islamic text books that prohibit the use of musical instruments, with the drum being the only one permitted.

The Attan is a pagan dance, would doing Attan be classed as Un-Afghan, since its origins are unislamic?

Jamal, what about the Burqa? its an pagan arab dress code, does opposing it mean you are un Afghan?

I hope that helps.


If not, I will explain, an anthem can be reworded, changed, added, alterred and removed, just because the Afghan National Anthem mentions god, does not mean we should all follow the god of Arabia, or the god of Jerusalem.

I think this is a very crude attempt to attack someone, Jamaludeen, its like me saying,

"Hey look at those young boys dancing in Kandahar", does opposing such disgusting practices,make one Anti-Afghan, or insulting Afghanistan, when its widely accepted practice by some of the worst vermin and social rejects?

Jamaludeen, try to be a bit more useful, you try and prove to me a "Al Buraq" existed, a flying mule with a womans head, was truthful, instead of wasting my time answering such a deluded question.

I am not Anti-Afghan, I wish not to follow any god, because when you follow a God, you become part of a organisation that feeds you non sense and turns you into a zombie.

Its like saying Suicide bombing founded by Siraj Haqqani of Afghanistan, is part of Afghan culture?

[Al Hanif]

I'll answer this question as logically as possible. Can Arkhii Jamaludeen show me where on the Afghan Anthem does it say "Afghanistan is the land of Taliban, should be ruled by Sharia, stone women and young girls to death, and Hamid gul is our king"?????

Jamaludeen, would singing the national anthem with a rabab mean its un-Afghan? when infact the Rabab is unislamic and there are 1000s of Islamic text books that prohibit the use of musical instruments, with the drum being the only one permitted.

The Attan is a pagan dance, would doing Attan be classed as Un-Afghan, since its origins are unislamic?

Jamal, what about the Burqa? its an pagan arab dress code, does opposing it mean you are un Afghan?

I hope that helps.


If not, I will explain, an anthem can be reworded, changed, added, alterred and removed, just because the Afghan National Anthem mentions god, does not mean we should all follow the god of Arabia, or the god of Jerusalem.

I think this is a very crude attempt to attack someone, Jamaludeen, its like me saying,

"Hey look at those young boys dancing in Kandahar", does opposing such disgusting practices,make one Anti-Afghan, or insulting Afghanistan, when its widely accepted practice by some of the worst vermin and social rejects?

Jamaludeen, try to be a bit more useful, you try and prove to me a "Al Buraq" existed, a flying mule with a womans head, was truthful, instead of wasting my time answering such a deluded question.

I am not Anti-Afghan, I wish not to follow any god, because when you follow a God, you become part of a organisation that feeds you non sense and turns you into a zombie.

Its like saying Suicide bombing founded by Siraj Haqqani of Afghanistan, is part of Afghan culture?

You did not answer the question.

[Soldat_Amir]

You did not answer the question.

I guess you can not read.

He was saying, that how can you be godless and call yourself an Afghan, when god's name is mentioned in the Afghan National Anthem.

I can say the exact same in relation to Afghan customs such as playing the Rabab and doing attan, both are unislamic and pagan by origin.

Does that mean they are not Afghan?

A National Anthem, can be changed and alterred.

Using the Afghan National Anthem to some how emotional blackmail me into following Wahabism is illogical and plain stupid.

As a matter of fact, if God really cared for Afghanistan, he would have never punished Afghanistan as badly as he has done.

[JAMALUDEEN]

I'll answer this question as logically as possible. Can Arkhii Jamaludeen show me where on the Afghan Anthem does it say "Afghanistan is the land of Taliban, should be ruled by Sharia, stone women and young girls to death, and Hamid gul is our king"?????

Irrelavent, make a seperate thread for this. Just because i am asking you a genuine question, you are assuming that i support the taliban....when did i say.. Stone Women? and I have spoken against Hamid Gul before... you can find it in a thread.

Jamaludeen, would singing the national anthem with a rabab mean its un-Afghan? when infact the Rabab is unislamic and there are 1000s of Islamic text books that prohibit the use of musical instruments, with the drum being the only one permitted.

Make a seperate thread for this to be discussed as it is irrelevant to this topic

The Attan is a pagan dance, would doing Attan be classed as Un-Afghan, since its origins are unislamic?

Irrelavent, there is already a seperate thread for this.

Jamal, what about the Burqa? its an pagan arab dress code, does opposing it mean you are un Afghan?

Again, unrelated... make a seperate thread for it to be discussed.

I hope that helps.

If not, I will explain, an anthem can be reworded, changed, added, alterred and removed, just because the Afghan National Anthem mentions god, does not mean we should all follow the god of Arabia, or the god of Jerusalem.

In the national Anthem, Allahu Akbar is repeated many times. So it is referring to Allah swt.

I think this is a very crude attempt to attack someone, Jamaludeen, its like me saying,

I am not attacking you man, you always question people and we give you honest answers...you are being intellectually dishonest right now by .. pulling ad hominems and straw man

"Hey look at those young boys dancing in Kandahar", does opposing such disgusting practices,make one Anti-Afghan, or insulting Afghanistan, when its widely accepted practice by some of the worst vermin and social rejects?

Jamaludeen, try to be a bit more useful, you try and prove to me a "Al Buraq" existed, a flying mule with a womans head, was truthful, instead of wasting my time answering such a deluded question.

I am not Anti-Afghan, I wish not to follow any god, because when you follow a God, you become part of a organisation that feeds you non sense and turns you into a zombie.

Its like saying Suicide bombing founded by Siraj Haqqani of Afghanistan, is part of Afghan culture?

The rest is all a rant, please answer my question.. instead of pullin ad hominems and straw man...fallacies.. I'm not interested in what the taliban did, or the russians or the USA did.. I want you to honestly answer my question..

[JAMALUDEEN]

If you haven't understood my question, please do not hesitate to ask me to rephrase it for you....I have tried simplifying it for you fellas... just so you don't get confused...but hey i am a human being and i am not perfect.