Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

[QUOTE=faye;663590]

I'd say I am more disappointed that people like you choose not to post, and instead let faye give you all a bad image.
You had some good points, and made interesting conversation. Faye has resorted to ignoring anything that does not fit her preconcieved world view and goes to embarrassing lengths to do so.
If I recall correctly, one of your major arguments against homosexuality was the medical risks inherent in anal sex, correct?[/QUOTE}


why are you so interested to talk about anal sex?

Actually, I was more interested in discussing homosexual rights, and I recall one of the major opponents here being obsessed with that topic, and using as the primary reason to refuse rights to homosexuals. Since I had some more information on the topic, I was interested in returning to it -- it's a much more interesting topic than watching you constantly lie and move goal posts.

are you an expert in that field?

Not really. I'm just a proponent for equal rights.

[ozymandias]

more evasions.

Call it evasions if you want. We all know that there is no point discussing it with you further, when you are so closed minded that you are insisting that something existing is not proof it could exist.

[Admin Khan]

Stop going off-topic. Focus on the thread. Refrain from personal attacks.

[ozymandias]

what are you talking about now??

Please don't feed the troll.

Mind if I ask what your religious (or non-religious) affiliation is? Since I'm tired of beating a dead horse, it might be nice to change the topic.

[Admin Khan]

How do you explain the reason why people find so much happiness in religion?

[faye]

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Actually, I was more interested in discussing homosexual rights, and I recall one of the major opponents here being obsessed with that topic, and using as the primary reason to refuse rights to homosexuals. Since I had some more information on the topic, I was interested in returning to it -- it's a much more interesting topic than watching you constantly lie and move goal posts.
Not really. I'm just a proponent for equal rights.

you evade giving proof to a claim you made, because you cannot prove your claim.

so now you start evading my new request and calling ME the goalpost changer and liar, which is another evasion.
classic. i love it.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Please don't feed the troll.

Mind if I ask what your religious (or non-religious) affiliation is? Since I'm tired of beating a dead horse, it might be nice to change the topic.

Apparently, there is no such a thing as an agnostic Muslim so my religious "affiliation" does not exist. I have not figured it out completely so I won't declare myself as being anything at the moment. I have been considering taking some religious studies courses as a hobby but that can mess up one's belief system if approached in a state of confusion so...,yeah.

[ozymandias]

How do you explain the reason why people find so much happiness in religion?

It is a relief to many to have answers to the big questions.

It's scary to many to contemplate that this world is all we get.

To many, the idea of a reward in the afterlife is a major driving force.

The idea that suffering is not all the see.

The concept that even though the world might not be fair, evil will be punished in the afterlife.

Being reunited with loved ones that have passed on? What's not to like about that idea?

Prayer gives someone who is otherwise helpless the opportunity to feel like they are helping, or making a difference. Most people can not do anything to help when a loved one gets terminally ill -- I can see the appeal in the though that you can pray for them to get better, and think you are helping.

Religion also provides a sense of community -- a place to belong, a place with other people with similar worldviews to gather and face the world together -- or even socialize.

[ozymandias]

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you evade giving proof to a claim you made, because you cannot prove your claim.

so now you start evading my new request and calling ME the goalpost changer and liar, which is another evasion.
classic. i love it.

You might as well drop it. As far as I am concerned, I proved that something can exist when I showed that it did exist. Since you are unwilling to discuss this like adults, I'm done with that topic.

[faye]

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You might as well drop it. As far as I am concerned, I proved that something can exist when I showed that it did exist. Since you are unwilling to discuss this like adults, I'm done with that topic.

in other words, let you off the hook, for being unable to show proof of your claim of' no creator being needed' and your changing of goalposts to me having siupposedly said, that a god is needed.

no worries..i can do that for you.

[ozymandias]

Apparently, there is no such a thing as an agnostic Muslim so my religious "affiliation" does not exist. I have not figured it out completely so I won't declare myself as being anything at the moment. I have been considering taking some religious studies courses as a hobby but that can mess up one's belief system if approached in a state of confusion so...,yeah.

I'm not an expert on Islam, by any means, but my understanding of Islam, as well as my understanding of agnosticism leads me to believe that the two are not incompatible.

An agnostic Muslim would be one that submits to the will of god/allah, believes that there is no god but allah, and Mohammad is his messenger -- and takes this on faith, understanding that ultimately it is impossible to conclusively prove or disprove the existence of that god.

[ozymandias]

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in other words, let you off the hook, for being unable to show proof of your claim of' no creator being needed' and your changing of goalposts to me having siupposedly said, that a god is needed.

no worries..i can do that for you.

If you choose to pretend that is what I said, I can't stop you. Everyone, including you, that reads my posts knows what is actually happening.

[faye]

....understanding that ultimately it is impossible to conclusively prove or disprove the existence of that god.

for this claim, you also have no proof.

[ozymandias]

for this claim, you also have no proof.

agnostic

 
ag·nos·tic

[ag-nos-tik]
noun 1.a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.

2.a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

3.a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.

[DaZahroJaam.]

i am not comfortable with either one of those terms on their own and together they might defy each other... I m okay with not being sure as long as I keep on searching. If I do figure it out, good. If I don't, pretending that I have surely won't get me anything.