Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

like i said it is just another deviation.
if you can't deal with the issue directly, forget it.

I've been dealing with it directly. I'm trying to figure out why you refuse to do the same.

anyways, why don't you just join in the forum like a human being, instead of needing your own platform, with special rules and a format that helps you avoid getting too close to others?

Huh? Are you confused by the rules I put at the start of this thread? Think of them as a simple, easy way to avoid answering the same stupid questions and comments repeatedly.

be a devil, ozy, let your hair down and join in with the masses.

I'm not sure I understand.

[ozymandias]

*sigh* more deviations.
stop making excuses. i haven't changed the subject and you have not given proof, that a creator is not needed.

I'm sorry you insist on lying. I have repeatedly given the proof you requested. If you have a problem with the proof given, please let me know what it is, so I can address it. As it stands, when I tried to understand why and how you can refuse to understand that something existing is proof it *can* exist, and you avoided the issue stating you do not wish to discuss hypothetical.

sorry, but that is NOT PROOF,

How is something existing not proof that it can exist?

just because you and science STATE that they have OBSERVED some evidence and then come to a conclusion (which can change any time soon).
why should i believe you and them without any observable proof?

You just admitted that they have a conclusion. How can you continue to insist that no such conclusion can exist?

man, if that is what you call being logical......god save us!!!!!

Lies, lies, and lies. You misrepresent what I have stated, and then pretended that I am the one being illogical. Why do you even post in this thread if you do not want to have an honest discussion?

[ozymandias]

mhum..*** I think he is sad. You should give him a hug.

I'd say I am more disappointed that people like you choose not to post, and instead let faye give you all a bad image.

You had some good points, and made interesting conversation. Faye has resorted to ignoring anything that does not fit her preconcieved world view and goes to embarrassing lengths to do so.

If I recall correctly, one of your major arguments against homosexuality was the medical risks inherent in anal sex, correct?

[faye]

You stated that they could not exist. I stated they exist. No need to change the topic when you are shown to be wrong -- be an adult and admit your mistake.
Yes.
No need to 'presume' anything, or even have faith. You stated a god is needed to explain the origin of the universe. Since godless explanations exist, it is blindingly obvious that a god is not needed. Right, or wrong, godless explanations *do* exist -- in fact, they are the only explanations that exist that don't just shuffle the question around, and 'answer' it by creating more questions than you started with.

for god's sake, what are you waffling about here?

where did i say a god is needed?


lol..a lot of things exist......but an EXPLANATION is just an explanation. the fallable human mind has decided upon an explanation and it must be correct because that human mind belonged to a SCIENTIST.
so, scientism rules, once again.


who are the independent verifiers of scientists conclusions?

well, my dear those lazy scientists shouldn't avoid a possibility because it confuses them and just opt for the most convenient conclusion.

[DaZahroJaam.]

me???? Na!
I don't oppose to homosexuality but I don't want to promote it either. It is something that I don't understand and I am not going to pass on a judgment on something that I don't fully understand. Until I do, to each his own.
As for Faye.. Not only her but everyone in here is entitled to their own opinion. No one is representing anyone. I don't participate in discussions that go on forever or don't go anywhere but I don't mind dropping by every once in a while to see k anything new is being discussed. I get bored very easily.

[faye]

I've been dealing with it directly. I'm trying to figure out why you refuse to do the same.
Huh? Are you confused by the rules I put at the start of this thread? Think of them as a simple, easy way to avoid answering the same stupid questions and comments repeatedly
I'm not sure I understand.

such desparation, because you have no proof that acreator is not needed.

[faye]

it's ok, dzj, you are excused. who did you get to delete my comment?

[faye]

[QUOTE=ozymandias;663582]I'd say I am more disappointed that people like you choose not to post, and instead let faye give you all a bad image.
You had some good points, and made interesting conversation. Faye has resorted to ignoring anything that does not fit her preconcieved world view and goes to embarrassing lengths to do so.
If I recall correctly, one of your major arguments against homosexuality was the medical risks inherent in anal sex, correct?[/QUOTE}


why are you so interested to talk about anal sex? are you an expert in that field?

[DaZahroJaam.]

I don't know who it was as I don't report things that often but I sure as hell find myself entertained by whatever reaction they might have of you accusing me of daring to have precious precious you censored.

You just can't let go of that topic, can you??

[ozymandias]

for god's sake, what are you waffling about here?

where did i say a god is needed?


lol..a lot of things exist......but an EXPLANATION is just an explanation. the fallable human mind has decided upon an explanation and it must be correct because that human mind belonged to a SCIENTIST.
so, scientism rules, once again.


who are the independent verifiers of scientists conclusions?

well, my dear those lazy scientists shouldn't avoid a possibility because it confuses them and just opt for the most convenient conclusion.

I guess I am going to be lazy here. If you insist on being dishonest and moving the goalposts, I'm just not going to bother with you.

[ozymandias]

me???? Na!
I don't oppose to homosexuality but I don't want to promote it either. It is something that I don't understand and I am not going to pass on a judgment on something that I don't fully understand. Until I do, to each his own.

Apologies -- I must have confused you with another poster.

As for Faye.. Not only her but everyone in here is entitled to their own opinion. No one is representing anyone. I don't participate in discussions that go on forever or don't go anywhere but I don't mind dropping by every once in a while to see k anything new is being discussed. I get bored very easily.

I can understand that. I'm up for a change in topic, of you have something else worth discussing.

[ozymandias]

such desparation, because you have no proof that acreator is not needed.

"where did i say a god is needed?" sound familiar?

[faye]

it's just that there is so much spam that needs to be taken from the forum, i was curious as to such unusaual, speed of duty. wonder who it was?
thanks for considering me precious, precious.

[faye]

"where did i say a god is needed?" sound familiar?

is that your proof that i said a god is needed?
FAIL!! again.

[faye]

I guess I am going to be lazy here. If you insist on being dishonest and moving the goalposts, I'm just not going to bother with you.

more evasions.