Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

All you and your new best friend RTR is doing is responding quickly without reading between the lines.

I'm trying my best to understand what you are saying. If we misunderstand something, please correct us.

You still fail to understand my statements, and are just responding as if this is a debate and it's not.

All leave you Scientologists again with this quote,

BWAHAHAHA. Your ignorance is showing. Calling us 'Scientologists' is as accurate as me calling you 'Jewish Taliban'. Scientology is a religion that has nothing to do with science.

[ozymandias]

You misunderstand me. It's funny how a supposed Muslim partners with a Scientologist Atheists against believers of one god, says a lot about you my friend.

Again, Scientology is an actual religion, and has nothing to do with atheism (not capitalized) or science.

And yes, it does say something about him -- all of it positive.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But anyone can make claims like that, that's the Problem, I can say that the fact that there are statues of Zeus , Poseidon, Hermes ....and the writings of Homer prove that the Olympian Gods are real. This is about as equal in merit as what you're saying. Merely the statement alone does not make something real. You're just asusming that its "God" behind it all rather than just the Laws of nature. there is nothing that shows it HAS to be God and not something else. That's the problem it isn't a rigorous claim that ONLY God could have done it.

You claim this is "evidence" because you assume them to be automatically true. And this isn't evidence for something to be evidence it has to be falsifiable; how can something be falsiiable when you accept it as from as it is stated?

you only have words as evidence and words can be said by many people. This doesn't mean they're false ....but there needs t be MORE than just words there. I've already addressed your assertion that Atheists claiming science textsbooks or scientists are infallible is false because science is constantly doing research which and expands their knowledge. If they saw it as infallible then thus would not be the case.

It's not like ignoring top scientists of the past; Because many of the things many old scientsits concluded we now know was incorrect or not entirely correct, but their foundations is what lead us to learn more, so we give the credit for their work

It would be like YOU saying that Islam is the "perfect" word of God and cannot be changed then people who are trying to look at the Qur2an a different way are challenging its infallibility. That's not what scientists do, scientists test the claims of other to see if it is true. This is called "Peer Review". They don't just say "The Holy Scientist Richard Dawkins, 'alayu salaam has received evidence ...and those who question it are infidels"

[ozymandias]

The evidence is the thousands of Prophets who came a prophesized about the lord.

Oh, so the Jews are right?

Joking aside, prophets making claims is not the same as evidence.

That is the evidence of God right there.

No it's not. It's evidence of some people in history making unprovable claims.

Ignoring this, is like ignoring top scientists of the past. Everything around us is the workings of God, so you see the compleed work not the worker.

That's just a claim you are making, not actual evidence. Is that the problem? You don't understand what 'evidence' means?

Atheistsm should be called Scientology as they do claim science textbooks and science overall as infallible. Claiming otherwise is insecurity

Scientology is completely different. You have more in common with a Jew (in respect to religion) than Scientology has with science.

[کیش]

Lol you yelling "evidence" is an insecurity and a fallacy now. Yes, Jews and Muslims are practically the same; worship the same god.

Where's the evidence of evidence that there is no god and everything just happens randomly without purpose or reason.

Obviously the Pharoah was right and Moses with his lack of evidence looked like a fool, smh 2012 Pharoah

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Lol you yelling "evidence" is an insecurity and a fallacy now. Yes, Jews and Muslims are practically the same; worship the same god.

Where's the evidence of evidence that there is no god and everything just happens randomly without purpose or reason.

Obviously the Pharoah was right and Moses with his lack of evidence looked like a fool, smh 2012 Pharoah

No one is suggesting there is evidence that there is no God, this is a straw-man argument

People just suggest there is no evidence that THERE IS a God.


the thing is how do you know that Pharoah story even happened/ we just have to take other peoples word on it ....that's what defines truth, someone said so?

You're doing what you accuse people of doing with scientists.

[کیش]

But anyone can make claims like that, that's the Problem, I can say that the fact that there are statues of Zeus , Poseidon, Hermes ....and the writings of Homer prove that the Olympian Gods are real. This is about as equal in merit as what you're saying. Merely the statement alone does not make something real. You're just asusming that its "God" behind it all rather than just the Laws of nature. there is nothing that shows it HAS to be God and not something else. That's the problem it isn't a rigorous claim that ONLY God could have done it.

You claim this is "evidence" because you assume them to be automatically true. And this isn't evidence for something to be evidence it has to be falsifiable; how can something be falsiiable when you accept it as from as it is stated?

you only have words as evidence and words can be said by many people. This doesn't mean they're false ....but there needs t be MORE than just words there. I've already addressed your assertion that Atheists claiming science textsbooks or scientists are infallible is false because science is constantly doing research which and expands their knowledge. If they saw it as infallible then thus would not be the case.

It's not like ignoring top scientists of the past; Because many of the things many old scientsits concluded we now know was incorrect or not entirely correct, but their foundations is what lead us to learn more, so we give the credit for their work

It would be like YOU saying that Islam is the "perfect" word of God and cannot be changed then people who are trying to look at the Qur2an a different way are challenging its infallibility. That's not what scientists do, scientists test the claims of other to see if it is true. This is called "Peer Review". They don't just say "The Holy Scientist Richard Dawkins, 'alayu salaam has received evidence ...and those who question it are infidels"

Your right; scientist retest other scientists works but their followers don't. Ala blind following which is not trying to be insulting buts it's true. I doubt oxymandius experimented on anything

[کیش]

No one is suggesting there is evidence that there is no God, this is a straw-man argument

People just suggest there is no evidence that THERE IS a God.


the thing is how do you know that Pharoah story even happened/ we just have to take other peoples word on it ....that's what defines truth, someone said so?

You're doing what you accuse people of doing with scientists.

The story was suppose to be that, a story. Pharoah swore he was right and Moses was wrong but what happened? It's the same story repeats itself, cmon bro.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Your right; scientist retest other scientists works but their followers don't. Ala blind following which is not trying to be insulting buts it's true. I doubt oxymandius experimented on anything

Not at all, unless you believe in conspiracy theories, you have to accept that when people test claims and they arrive at the same conclusions using the same methods, that this is happening independent of human influence...that this is evidence.

[کیش]

Fine. I'm not insecure like the followers of science. If am wrong all happily say I'm Wrong and move on and attain more knowledge.

RTR,

Why don't you complete the job I "failed" to do?

Because atheists are as stubborn as a mule, and will still be ignorant even after God would sent angels to the earth.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The story was suppose to be that, a story. Pharoah swore he was right and Moses was wrong but what happened? It's the same story repeats itself, cmon bro.

well according to that story, Pharoah eventually received evidence right?

so how can you blame anyone for not accepting something when its so vague or flimsy ....

While I admire Lawrence Krauss' work, I don't agree with him that the energy value in the universe from the big bang till now would sum to zero by the conservation of energy law means that the universe came from nothing. However, he shows that there's ANOTHER way to explain something without assuming and saying "Hey it's God" and this is important because once we eliminate one model we can get closer and closer to knowing for sure whether or not there is a God

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Fine. I'm not insecure like the followers of science. If am wrong all happily say I'm Wrong and move on and attain more knowledge.

RTR,

Why don't you complete the job I "failed" to do?

Because atheists are as stubborn as a mule, and will still be ignorant even after God would sent angels to the earth.

I never said the followers of science are "insecure"; Because if they were insecure they wouldn't ASK for evidence to refute their ideas or challenge positions Thiey're willing to test their claims.

I'm saying that religious people who hold on to dogmas so sternly and that any challenge is an attack on them, are insecure because they won't accept the possibility it may not be true just because they want to believe in it so much.

Where is the evidence for this angels kais?

[کیش]

I never said the followers of science are "insecure"; Because if they were insecure they wouldn't ASK for evidence to refute their ideas or challenge positions Thiey're willing to test their claims.

I'm saying that religious people who hold on to dogmas so sternly and that any challenge is an attack on them.

Where is the evidence for this angels kais?

Well I've seen angels and Jinss before so you have to trust my experiments like everyone's favorite scientists.

I said they're insecure not you. And I said instead of "attacking" god with your Atheist friend one thread and somehow "Islamic" in another, isn't that contradiction? Obviously since your so smart you'll just respond and erase that statement.

[ozymandias]

Lol you yelling "evidence" is an insecurity and a fallacy now.

Really? Which logical fallacy is it?

Yes, Jews and Muslims are practically the same; worship the same god.

Where's the evidence of evidence that there is no god and everything just happens randomly without purpose or reason.

There is no direct evidence of that. The primary evidence is that there is no evidence that any known religion is true -- and in fact, most known religions contradict reality or disagree with the evidence we do have.

Extraordinary claims require evidence -- religions are the ones making the claims, they are under the burden of proof to prove them. It is *not* science's job to prove or disprove religion's claims.

Obviously the Pharoah was right and Moses with his lack of evidence looked like a fool, smh 2012 Pharoah

Huh? what are you talking about? The myth that the Jews spent time as slaves in Egypt? That's been shown to be historically inaccurate, and there is no evidence the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt -- let alone that the plagues occurred.

[ozymandias]

Your right; scientist retest other scientists works but their followers don't. Ala blind following which is not trying to be insulting buts it's true. I doubt oxymandius experimented on anything

You may wish to investigate how schools work in the Western World. Even as a grade school student we were taught to question everything, and science was taught 'hands-on' -- recreating classic experiments. In High School and college, that is only reenforced.