Unreasonable amounts of loan/interest is haram, that i am aware of. But really, if there was no bank, then we use willow branches to as a type of currency? Why not someone just counterfied cash by chopping down willow trees?
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Banks, modern economy etc... are probably all haram, especially since they are coming from non muslim economic systems. some times I think we will all get destroyed soon, because we are all doing haram willingly or without our knowledge. Only some communities living in isolation will be savedLast edited by Karachi; 02-18-2013, 11:47 PM.
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some societies are jahil anyways. Some communities along the Durand line still use barter trading, or trading with physical items. Some mix their cash with banknotes/coins and physical items. Like Afghanistan should rename it's currency to an Afghan Dinar or Afghan ruppee, like wtf who calls it an Afghani?Originally posted by Karachi View PostBanks, modern economy etc... are probably all haram, especially since they are coming from non muslim economic systems. some times I think we will all get destroyed soon, because we are all doing haram willingly or without our knowledge. Only some communities living in isolation will be saved
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For a true Wahabi Muslim everything is haram except having at least 4 wives, a beard more than one fist, clothes above the ankle, miswak, killing into pieces of all non Muslims and Muslim friends of non Muslims!!!!!!!
What a strange question that now banking and working in a bank is also haram? Why we depreciate the word haram to include millions of banks and millions of people working in banks in Muslim countries .
Haram should be used for murders, corruption, cheating, adulteration, robbery, injustice, ignorance all rampant in Muslims countries not for petty things like one can eat a beaf burger in McDonald or not or for major financial institutions like banks.Last edited by Badlun; 02-19-2013, 04:54 PM.
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Originally posted by Badlun View PostFor a true Wahabi Muslim everything is haram except having at least 4 wives, a beard more than one fist, clothes above the ankle, miswak, killing into pieces of all non Muslims and Muslim friends of non Muslims!!!!!!!
What a strange question that now banking and working in a bank is also haram? Why we depreciate the word haram to include millions of banks and millions of people working in banks in Muslim countries .
Haram should be used for murders, corruption, cheating, adulteration, robbery, injustice, ignorance all rampant in Muslims countries not for petty things like one can eat a beaf burger in McDonald or not or for major financial institutions like banks.
Make a list of things YOU think should be Halal and Harram; I want to see what you come up with.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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According to his suffism wine is halaal, bank interest is not haraam because it is modern, homosexuality is halaal because its a new modern trend in the west.Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View PostMake a list of things YOU think should be Halal and Harram; I want to see what you come up with.
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My friend, I really do not want to be disrespectfull, but if You are a person intrested in Sufism You should not only look on the surface but see deeper. If Haram is robbery and injustice, than how can't you see the robbery and injustice of banking systems?Originally posted by Badlun View PostFor a true Wahabi Muslim everything is haram except having at least 4 wives, a beard more than one fist, clothes above the ankle, miswak, killing into pieces of all non Muslims and Muslim friends of non Muslims!!!!!!!
What a strange question that now banking and working in a bank is also haram? Why we depreciate the word haram to include millions of banks and millions of people working in banks in Muslim countries .
Haram should be used for murders, corruption, cheating, adulteration, robbery, injustice, ignorance all rampant in Muslims countries not for petty things like one can eat a beaf burger in McDonald or not or for major financial institutions like banks.
I do not say that I use no banking system, i unfortunately do since some month, because with the new rules i cannot get my salary anymore directly, however i think we should be aware of many consequences of the banking system. I do not think we need always to confront extremes, like " or being for globalization tendencies or being a fanatic".
Millions of people do what they shouldn't do, even I do unfortunately things, I am completely against often having no choice or not having enough force to oppose. However others blindness is not an excuse for you not to be aware.
Here is a strict line between faith and religion.
Faith is when your deeds are done by faith in their sense and being aware of the global consequences of your local deeds.
Religion is a substitute of faith, when your deeds are done not of awareness and faith, but uf rite and tradition, only with hands, but not with heart and mind.
I would see it like this...Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,
Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:
Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:
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Chill out Badlun,
charging interest is a recent thing (AFAIK), Christians didn't do it either. Interest is the reason why those in debt, stay in debt, or otherwise stay in debt much longer than they would have without interest fees. Some Americans also think that many modern banking practices are immoral (google Occupy Wall St).
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than why do we have interest based banking in Saudi Arabia and even Makkah? I hate wahabhism, but seriously you need to educate yourself on things before speaking.Originally posted by Badlun View PostFor a true Wahabi Muslim everything is haram except having at least 4 wives, a beard more than one fist, clothes above the ankle, miswak, killing into pieces of all non Muslims and Muslim friends of non Muslims!!!!!!!
What a strange question that now banking and working in a bank is also haram? Why we depreciate the word haram to include millions of banks and millions of people working in banks in Muslim countries .
Haram should be used for murders, corruption, cheating, adulteration, robbery, injustice, ignorance all rampant in Muslims countries not for petty things like one can eat a beaf burger in McDonald or not or for major financial institutions like banks.
Also can you ignore that Interest is one of the biggest sins in Islam?Last edited by Karachi; 02-19-2013, 06:17 PM.
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This is how "Islamic banking" works
When a business goes for a loan so they can add capital, the bank doesn't collect interest back on the loan, but own a percentage of the corporation (based on the loan amount).
If an individual wants to depost money to let's say a saving accounts, it is treated like an equity investment, and the individual is entitled to a percentage of profits. To be based on what deals the bank flows with the money.
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how is that any different than charging interest??Originally posted by کیش View PostThis is how "Islamic banking" works
When a business goes for a loan so they can add capital, the bank doesn't collect interest back on the loan, but own a percentage of the corporation (based on the loan amount).
If an individual wants to depost money to let's say a saving accounts, it is treated like an equity investment, and the individual is entitled to a percentage of profits. To be based on what deals the bank flows with the money.
"To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."
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Originally posted by Friend View PostAccording to his suffism wine is halaal, bank interest is not haraam because it is modern, homosexuality is halaal because its a new modern trend in the west.
um ok ...I didn't know your name is Badlun[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.
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