Army of Elephants

[abdul]

One question : At the time of the birth of Prophet Mohamed, the Kaaba was a pagan shrine with 360 idols of all sorts in it. Why was the Moslem God so worried about what happened to the Kaaba?

why is mecca the holy city?
learn you history first
the kaaba was build by ibrahim and his eldest son

ps using elephants is stupid
they cant be fully controlled and if they lose control it will kill anyone who stands neat it

[Baygham]

One question : At the time of the birth of Prophet Mohamed, the Kaaba was a pagan shrine with 360 idols of all sorts in it. Why was the Moslem God so worried about what happened to the Kaaba?

Its the moon God Allah, the head honcho of the pagan idols, who protected the shrine. As usual taking credit for someone elses triumphs. This ababeel story by the way is a myth generated and in fashion in pagan folklore, the predated islam, since it was a popular nationalist sentiment it has retained its way as a "muslim" story. The invading army probably died of an infectious disease that affected their skin, likely from a water borne disease or some such ailment.

[Wrayun]

Baygham,

If Allah is the moon god, why did the Jews and the Christians of Arabia used it to denote their monotheistic Abrahamic sky-god? Arab Jews and Christians still use Allah, and they pre-date Islam and Mohammad in Arabia. Why is God in Aramaic Alaaha, and Eloh in Hebrew? Are they moon gods?

The moon god nonsense is perpetuated by Evangelicals, and not by true scholarly critics of Islam.

Nadir Shah,

What's with spelling Muhammad as Mohamed, and Muslim as Moslem? Are you an orientalist? Where you born in Britain and are an Englishman? I don't understand this unwarranted appreciation for colonialists vocabulary. Even their modern counterparts refrain from making use of these grammatical errors, while you happen to come from a Muslim background....

As for why the God of Islam was worried about Kaaba...that story goes something like this... Abraham built the Kaaba, in the city of Mecca (Bakkah), which some believe in the bible is referred to as they valley of Becca.

Bakkah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it wasn't always a pagan place of worship, it was the place of worship of the God of Islam, which is the same God as Alaaha in Aramiac (language of Jesus), Elohim in Hebrew (language of Israelis), and Allah in Arabic.

[khushal]

Baygham,
Many pagan folklore came from jewish scriptures (tora), You can see this in the world today such as christmas, easter, eid, ramadan are turning into pagan style celebrations. Most pagan stories came from the tora in a manipulated form. Even english common laws(which are used on most of the world today) are from the jewish scriptures, some of them in a manipulated form, they are not pagan inventions and they are not secular ideas like you think they are.

[abdul]

Its the moon God Allah, the head honcho of the pagan idols, who protected the shrine. As usual taking credit for someone elses triumphs. This ababeel story by the way is a myth generated and in fashion in pagan folklore, the predated islam, since it was a popular nationalist sentiment it has retained its way as a "muslim" story. The invading army probably died of an infectious disease that affected their skin, likely from a water borne disease or some such ailment.

i have answerd you here about the moon god myth

http://www.pashtunforums.com/220687-post4.html

[khushal]

Malgariya, the Kowran cannot be trusted as the definitive evidence or source for historical narratives as we can see it is built upon the knowledge and culture of Jews, Sabeans and Nestorians. Plus it has definitive marks of having Arab mythology, such as the Abraha legend and the Aad and Samud thing, built into it. Abraham, who may or may not exist, most probably had nothing to do with the Kaaba. The Kaaba was probably built as some sort of a festival/religious/cultural meeting point of various Arab tribes and with the famed rise to power of Prophet Mohammad, Allah became the prevalent Arab God who was then exported to other places through infamous pogroms and massacres.
Secondly, the moon-god was a popular cult throughout the Fertile Crescent and Mesopotamia. Places as far Ur, Harran and Hazer have revealed temples dedicated to the moon-god through archeology. Also, this whole God stuff is pretty entwined. The Jewish remnants, Egyptian Gods and the Roman Gods shaped the Christian religion which then inspired the Moslem faith in a way. There are known instances of Prophet Mohammad's encounters with Christian teachers. Also, the formative years of the Moslem faith were under the commanding influence of the educated and spiritual Jews of Medinah. So it is not very surprising that all this religious stuff has so many things in common.
The story of the Satanic verses will make things more clear. When the early Moslems travelled to Ethiopia, there was news that a deal had been struck with the Pagans which would see the acceptance of the Moslem cult n return for the initation of the Islamic Trinity, Laat, Manaat and Uzaa, along with the paramount moon-god. By this time, some Moslems returned from Ethiopia. But the deal was scrapped probably due to differences on the hierarchy of the Gods or the temporal power of Prophet Mohammad.
The Ethiopian story also reveals the Christian inspiration for some elements of the Koran and Ezlom. The crying loud of Negus, "Bible and this is of the same light", rather than bringing a smug look to the faces of Moslems, should be seen as the proof that Nestorian Christianity inspired early Islam.

You are mistaken thinking that one religion was inspired by another. Monotheism is as old as man. The message(oneness of god) is the same. The rituals over time has changed by people using it for their own interests. The Romans threatened by the spread of Jesus's message turned jesus into a divine being and created the pope for the betterment of their own power and interest. Nestorian christians rejected the romans fabrication and found refuge in persia from persicution.

The word for God and the message( oneness of god) of Islam predates any rituals you are speaking of.

The minute I saw you use the satanic verses as something credible to use in your argument, the extrimety of your stupidity was revealed. The book is written as fiction. The author is no historian nor a scholar. When you talk to christians do you bring up The da vinci code to make your arguments more credible.

[Maiwand]

Abraha And His Army Of Elephants

[Wrayun]

Malgariya, the Kowran cannot be trusted as the definitive evidence or source for historical narratives as we can see it is built upon the knowledge and culture of Jews, Sabeans and Nestorians. Plus it has definitive marks of having Arab mythology, such as the Abraha legend and the Aad and Samud thing, built into it. Abraham, who may or may not exist, most probably had nothing to do with the Kaaba. The Kaaba was probably built as some sort of a festival/religious/cultural meeting point of various Arab tribes and with the famed rise to power of Prophet Mohammad, Allah became the prevalent Arab God who was then exported to other places through infamous pogroms and massacres.
Secondly, the moon-god was a popular cult throughout the Fertile Crescent and Mesopotamia. Places as far Ur, Harran and Hazer have revealed temples dedicated to the moon-god through archeology. Also, this whole God stuff is pretty entwined. The Jewish remnants, Egyptian Gods and the Roman Gods shaped the Christian religion which then inspired the Moslem faith in a way. There are known instances of Prophet Mohammad's encounters with Christian teachers. Also, the formative years of the Moslem faith were under the commanding influence of the educated and spiritual Jews of Medinah. So it is not very surprising that all this religious stuff has so many things in common.
The story of the Satanic verses will make things more clear. When the early Moslems travelled to Ethiopia, there was news that a deal had been struck with the Pagans which would see the acceptance of the Moslem cult n return for the initation of the Islamic Trinity, Laat, Manaat and Uzaa, along with the paramount moon-god. By this time, some Moslems returned from Ethiopia. But the deal was scrapped probably due to differences on the hierarchy of the Gods or the temporal power of Prophet Mohammad.
The Ethiopian story also reveals the Christian inspiration for some elements of the Koran and Ezlom. The crying loud of Negus, "Bible and this is of the same light", rather than bringing a smug look to the faces of Moslems, should be seen as the proof that Nestorian Christianity inspired early Islam.

First, Mr. Pathan no one is asking you to trust the Quran, your choice. Second, you contradict yourself by saying that Quran can't be trusted, yet you hold biblical accounts as some sort of authority over the "kowran" which just like the Quran, are religious articles, that has borrowed and plagiarized from other past beliefs. Can they be trusted? I hope you get the drift...

The Quran unlike the Bible has been pretty much consistent in its textual form. You can't say that for the Bible or any other text centuries old if not millenias.

From now on, I will refer to you as a Pathan (orientalist vocabulary).

[Wrayun]

By the way, there is influence of the moon god Sin and his daughter Inanna in the Muslim world. Sin was represented by a crescent moon and his daughter Inanna/Ishtar by a star.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)
Inanna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


They were introduced much later into Islam by various sects, particularly the Ismaili Hashshashin. They later became the symbol of the Fatimids.

File:Fatimid Caliphate - flag.gif - Wikimedia Commons

The originators of the Fatimids who claimed to be descendants of the Prophet Mohammad were known as heretics from the City of Moon God, and were Magians (Persians). This symbol was later adopted by the Ottomans. Then by Turkey, and Agha Khani like Jinnah and Agha Khan the 3rd president of the All Indian Muslim League.

Atta Turk was supported by Nizari, an off shoot of Isamilis:

Nizari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are into occult, look it up. Makes good reading.

[Laila]

Surah Al-Fil is actually one of my favorite surahs. And i absolutely loved hearing about it as a child