There is a God: World's Most Notorious Atheist

[Wrayun]

British philosopher Flew has long been something of an evangelist for atheism, debating theologians and pastors in front of enormous crowds. In 2004, breathless news reports announced that the nonagenarian had changed his mind. This book tells why. Ironically, his arguments about the absurdity of God-talk launched a revival of philosophical theists, some of whom, like Alvin Plantinga and Richard Swinburne, were important in Flew's recent conversion to theism. Breakthroughs in science, especially cosmology, also played a part: if the speed or mass of the electron were off just a little, no life could have evolved on this planet. Perhaps the arrogance of the New Atheists also emboldened him, as Flew taunts them for failing to live up to the greatness of atheists of yore.

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[khushal]

This person is just after money. He wants attention and then he writes a book and he gives some stupid reason for changing his mind, the speed of electron. come on, give me a break.

[Zayam]

This person is just after money. He wants attention and then he writes a book and he gives some stupid reason for changing his mind, the speed of electron. come on, give me a break.

hmmmmm interesting thought really, especially after Jasmine's story of the 4 Wives......now this guy is in his 90's and you say he is just writing this book for the $$$$....maybe, and maybe not

[Wrayun]

This person is just after money. He wants attention and then he writes a book and he gives some stupid reason for changing his mind, the speed of electron. come on, give me a break.

I suppose you read the book, know who this fellow is and his financial situation and did not base your knee jerk reaction on the brief summery above?

[khushal]

hmmmmm interesting thought really, especially after Jasmine's story of the 4 Wives......now this guy is in his 90's and you say he is just writing this book for the $$$$....maybe, and maybe not

This is my opinion. It does not matter if he is in his 90's or 100's. These people dont think like the average person. They dont use the money to go on vacation. Their minds work as empire builders. They use the money for an agenda that will long exist after their death.

To me it does not make sense that you would change your mind just because of the speed of electron.

[Wrayun]

To me it does not make sense that you would change your mind just because of the speed of electron.

mmmmm..dude..that part is from the summery which was written by someone at Amazon.com. It's just one example/reasons from many within the book that the person picked. Not the actual work of the author.

[khushal]

mmmmm..dude..that part is from the summery which was written by someone at Amazon.com. It's just one example/reasons from many within the book that the person picked. Not the actual work of the author.

He probably picked the best one. all his other reasons are probably just as absurd. Everything is random, but now that we know the speed of an electron, all of a sudden nothing is random. Get out of my way, I'll buy the first copy, and I want it autographed.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[khushal]

Levanye,
"there is no god but god" nothing can exist without god. You and I both know that we exist. you can figure out the rest for yourself.
These atheists wants some kind of a mathematical formula to prove the existence of god. they cant even understand the mathmetical formulas that Einstein wrote.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Wrayun]

Levanaye Zalmaye,

Wrayun, what this guy basically says is not too different from what most atheists think - that we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a supernatural being that may have started it all and since everything came from somewhere, there can be something supernatural behind it. Full stop/Period/Pull staap. Richard Dawkins, therefore, correctly states in The God Delusion, chapter number two, verse number 4, pages 112 and 113 that no one can be a 100% atheist.

Actually no, many atheists fail to address (at least sympathetically) the whole "we can never be truly atheist" point. Most atheists are so militant in their pursuit of disproving the existence of God, that you can hardly deduce the mentioned point. They are intolerant, bigoted, as adherents of any other beliefs. My way, or the highway type.

Flew is a deist and he thinks that the Gods of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Homoeroticism, Wahabism, Scientology, Jainism, Sikhism and all the other gods of the heathen religions of old are concoctions of the human mind. In other words, he thinks people communicating with gods are either liars, mad or both. His beliefs, not necessarily mine. According to him, there is a creator but he is nothing like what we have been told and that He/it/she/they have not communicated with us at all.

I know what flew has stated about Islam and Christianity. His very statement, where he relates the God of Islam and Christianity to "cosmic Saddam Hussiens", speak volumes of his own "Oriental" bias. The man is a political one in nature. As a European his bias toward Islam is evident in the fact that he holds Christianity in better light than Islam. This is only reflective of modern times, and the influences of recent events (9/11, Iraq War, War on Terror).

Though, that is something I can live with. What is interesting is that he went from being a strong atheist to the point where he admits that there is a supernatural being. The rest of the dynamics of what God can and should do are his own beliefs. I can simply ask, why not? Why can't God play with us as some microbes in a petri dish? Can God? Yes. Should or shouldn't, we are in no place to decide. The problem is that because we are now a flock of tree hugging hippies (although with our own unique double standards), we arrogantly apply our own narrow minded and limited interpretations of compassion, love, mercy etc. to a God who just so happens to be the creator of the universe. Far more knowing than our comprehension can allow us to grasp.

It is absurd to limit God characteristics to our own subjective understanding of truth or reality. It's silly to be frank.

[khushal]

"Something/someone/somethings must have started it all". That leads to deism and not theology and organized religion. Deism was prominent in scholoarly circles before 1859 and the publication of a most unholy abomination. Deism is now, therefore, outdated and has been replaced in scholarly circles by atheism.

A Druid in Britain can claim that since we all came from somewhere, we must start sacrificing virgins to his favorite deity. We all came from somewhere so accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. We all came from somewhere so let's go Jihad on each other.

I'm well aware of this deism and atheism. "Something" started it all is not the correct line of thinking. Thinking like that is irrational. A better way to say it is If "something" exists presently, then "something" always existed and always will exist. There was no start and there is no end. That is why they are confused about proving god existence or proving that does not exist.

The only reason this line of thinking exists is to advance the secular way of thinking. To blame all wars on religion and all problems on religion. Blame nothing negative on secular ideas or secular ways. Teach them that the secular way is the superior way. What have the godless solved. Wasnt this extremism we see in afghanistan today created and funded by the secular CIA back in the 80's to counter the secular soviets.

The godless bunch are shady indeed.