My questions about Islam

[Dust]

LZ,

That begs the question: where did humans come from, since it is a fact that we exist? If humans did not exist, would a car come into existence? How would a car come into existence without human intelligence? Further, why was nature prepared to provide fuel for the internal and the external combustion engine, to illustrate as an example?

You have trapped yourself in your own circular logic.

(I am just trying to pin-point flaws in the logic, nothing more nothing less.)

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Baygham]

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I like the spirituality in Sufism, and consistency in Wahabi/Salafism. But I don't worship men or graves, and I don't do takfirrs on other Muslims.

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Together with keeping it personal, religion practiced like such, can be a fullfilling personal journey, that allows others to coexist. Well said wrayun wrora.

[Dust]

A human:car analogy is flawed. A car does not reproduce. It is a mechanical invention whereas humans are self-sufficient and reproducing biological organisms.

I was not comparing a human to a car.

First off humans are not self-sufficient, just as the making of a car is not. This is the point that I was trying to make.

Moreover, if something had to create God, then based on this logic something had to create man. If nothing created man, and he came by chance, and he can thereafter create something, then why can't we make the same reasoning with respect to God?

[roadrunner]

Forget about the universe, the science required to create a single living cell out of nothing is unfathomable for scientists. What they can possibly do is take existing DNA, and manipulate it to create synthetic cells.

Oh DNA could be created using the conditions when the earth formed alright.

Human life is theoretically possible out of nothing.

You need water, lightning and a couple of other things.

It is called the Miller-Urey experiment.

There is a generally accepted belief that this universe had a beginning (the big bang), so one must ask where did the big bang come from and what caused it. Currently there are not that many explanations, and the ones they have are far more confusing then anything. One explanation is that when two universes collide the point of impact creates another universe i.e. the big bang. Well...how were the two initial universes made...and how did the universes that caused them came into existing? So it goes on and on and on. But that's hardly an answer.

Agreed. And that is a problem that science hasn't answered.

[roadrunner]

there are also people who believe that since there has to be someone who started it all (a god, a goddess, goddesses [my favorite], gods, a family of deities, Imam Hussain, etc), there is something out there.

Those people actually have the weight of current scientific evidence on their side.

It might be possible that the human brain has only evolved to think in 3 dimensions of space one of time and these concepts only apply to this universe. It's something too complicated to work out.

[Wrayun]

AgnosticPashtana;

So what is the proper way of following Islam?

Islam has a book, called the Quran, within it is the Message, the word of God. Luckily for you, you live in an age where you don't have to rely on a scholar, imam, or sheikh as much as the people of the past. Much of the knowledge is available to you directly without having someone else do the thinking for you. Simple effort required, read it. You get questions, research them, look at it from all sides and perspectives before making your mind. In the past we didn't have that liberty, today we do. That is the main reason why people became followers of other men i.e. Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali, Malaki, Ismaili, Qadiyani, Bahai, Salafi/Wahabi etc. all these sects are named after men. They were the only source of knowledge in their specific region. Today it is much different.

What I mean is do all sects go to heaven, do I have a choice in chosing? I have been reading thousands of posts here in the past few months and a lot of my misconceptions have been cleared up by you but this is just a question that was on my mind.

I quoted you that verse, in that verse there was nothing about sects going to hell, rather that God will be judge of their deeds. Just because different sects declare one another hell bound doesn't make it true. That is judging on the behalf of God, which is haraam. Most people that declare others kaafirs have little knowledge of the deen, and most scholars are very careful on declaring any sect or person a "kaafir".

You are limiting the faith by judging it by the action of the followers. Which is justified because one would criticize a doctrine by observing its adherents. Though the fact that there are so many sects begs to question what the text/religion actually says and preaches, because obviously many people have interpreted it in so many ways. They can not all be right or wrong. So you investigate.

Compared to other major Religions, how is Islam any different? What makes Islam any better?

Ill be waiting.

It depends on individual taste. It also depends on other factors like if the religion is compatible with your world view, perspective on life, your heritage, and culture. So instead of listing down things how Islam is better, I won't. Because that will counter another discussion from other beliefs that will claim the same.

But if you really want an argument on what makes Islam any better, a simple google will deliver thousands of arguments.

So again, it's about what you want AgnosticPashtana.

[roadrunner]

Those people actually have the weight of current scientific evidence on their side.

It might be possible that the human brain has only evolved to think in 3 dimensions of space one of time and these concepts only apply to this universe. It's something too complicated to work out.

But there is the something from nothing theory.

Still it's all very speculative theories. Something noone understands.