Where is Allaah?

[Dust]

examples include the offical Christian belief of the trinity as exemplified by the nicene creed... not all sects adhere to this "orthodox" chritsian belief

You are proving the same point, but are failing to see the fallacy in your own logic when confronted with an argument.

[Dreamer]

Sure you did.


Here you have two Muslims, Shimlah and Haneef, arguing. One has presented their case of how to find Allah. The other rejects the first person's presentation, yet he is also Muslim and who believes in Allah. Now who is right and who is wrong? And who is to decide who is right and who is wrong?

As such, if two Muslims cannot agree on who Allah is, then why do you Muslims get annoyed that we Atheists don't believe in God?

look at their "proofs" as one wld do in any debate

[Dreamer]

You are proving the same point, but are failing to see the fallacy in your own logic when confronted with an argument.

ditto with u

[Dust]

look at their "proofs" as one wld do in any debate

That is not the point. The point is that if Muslims can't agree with how to describe God then how are we Hell bound for not understanding His existence?

If you can't answer it, fine, but please don't be dishonest about it.

[Dust]

ditto with u

How does this hold true. You are not answering my question:

How can you send us to Hell if you yourselves can't agree on who God is?

I am here to have a discussion, if you can't carry this discussion, then fine, just say so.

[Dreamer]

That is not the point. The point is that if Muslims can't agree with how to describe God then how are we Hell bound for not understanding His existence.

If you can't answer it, fine, but please don't be dishonest about it.

there is one truth... as shown by the statement of many sects in islam but only 1 entering heaven....

[Dust]

there is one truth... as shown by the statement of many sects in islam but only 1 entering heaven....

Rephrase please.

[Dreamer]

there is one true version of Islam... many sects claim 2 be the true version... muslims may disagree about which one is correct... the religion itself teached one truth... its muslims who differ and err in their intepretations

[Dust]

Fair enough! Now who is to say which is right and which wrong? Who is the authority? This is what I want answered.

[Dreamer]

look at the texts to see what the religion says... the many differences occur not as a result of the religion but as a fault of or lack of human understanding.... examples include innovations....

[Dreamer]

by text I mean scripture of said religion

[As-Salaf As-Saalih]

Brother Dust, you made a valid point. The points presented at the beginning are the true version of Allaah.

[Dust]

look at the texts to see what the religion says... the many differences occur not as a result of the religion but as a fault of or lack of human understanding.... examples include innovations....

That is a given, by default. You did not need to point that out. I am asking who is the authority? Why are Muslims at each others' throat when they both refer back to the Quran?

[Dust]

Brother Dust, you made a valid point. The points presented at the beginning are the true version of Allaah.

So, why was Haneef, mocking him?

[As-Salaf As-Saalih]

So, why was Haneef, mocking him?

You mock when you have the inability to prove your case. You resort to lies and uncivilized behaviour.