A trend

[Haneef]

If these wahabis feel that their way is the right way, then why do they flood the forum 24/7 with articles/posts to prove their own point and disprove others? Just look at the posts, all they do is post pro-wahabi and anti-sufi stuff. The opposite is not true, we don't really care what wahabis do, as long as they don't bug us. We ask Allah to guide them all.

[شمله ور خراساني]

If these wahabis feel that their way is the right way, then why do they flood the forum 24/7 with articles/posts to prove their own point and disprove others? Just look at the posts, all they do is post pro-wahabi and anti-sufi stuff. The opposite is not true, we don't really care what wahabis do, as long as they don't bug us. We ask Allah to guide them all.

You should tell your fellow sufis and atheist friends to stop flooding the forum with anti islam and anti sunni topics. And you should refrain from insulting or telling lies about people.

And nobody will post anti Sufi stuff anymore.

Usually, the sufis and their partners in crime, the atheists and secularists start attacking people. For obvious reasons.

[Haneef]

Athiests are our brothers as well, in the bigger Ummah. I didn't say don't post it, I said that's what you waste your time on, keep doing what you are doing. simply keep posting HATE...what will come out of it at the end? :D...plz do continue

[شمله ور خراساني]

Athiests are our brothers as well, in the bigger Ummah. I didn't say don't post it, I said that's what you waste your time on, keep doing what you are doing. simply keep posting HATE...what will come out of it at the end? :D...plz do continue

exactly. Atheists are your brothers. You share common interests. Namely, destruction of Islam. This is why the atheists praise sufis so much in their academic journals.

[Haneef]

They are not your brothers????? Are you retarded? Do you not know your own belief system? This is the person that preaches Islam (his hateful version) 24x7.

if we are all from ADAM (As) and bibi Hawa, then they are surely our brothers. There are 2 ways to interpret Ummah, the Ummah of Muslims and the entire humanity.

Owned again...can the real wahabi please shut up? :D

[Dreamer]

They are not your brothers????? Are you retarded? Do you not know your own belief system? This is the person that preaches Islam (his hateful version) 24x7.

if we are all from ADAM (As) and bibi Hawa, then they are surely our brothers. There are 2 ways to interpret Ummah, the Ummah of Muslims and the entire humanity.

Owned again...can the real wahabi please shut up? :D

can u both shut up? u both have shown nothing but hate.... live and let live

[شمله ور خراساني]

They are not your brothers????? Are you retarded? Do you not know your own belief system? This is the person that preaches Islam (his hateful version) 24x7.

if we are all from ADAM (As) and bibi Hawa, then they are surely our brothers. There are 2 ways to interpret Ummah, the Ummah of Muslims and the entire humanity.

Owned again...can the real wahabi please shut up? :D

Owned again? You are owned by Americans who promote your false ideology by investing billions of dollars financing TV stations to spread sufism and to publish books part of school curriculum in Muslim countries so that muslims become passive and refrain from being involved in politics or demanding justice.

You are brothers with the enemies of Muslims.

Surely all mankind are children of adam. But muslims have baraa for the disbelievers and walaa for the muslims.

Sadly this is not the case with Sufis. Because your baraa is for muslims and walaa for kuffaar!

[Haneef]

isn't the whole salafi/wahabi agenda funded and aided by British and America? how did the saudis get the $$? who put the Saud family in power? How did Abdul wahab mary his daughter...

Surely all manking are the children of Adam, hence don't talk out of your stomach. first ask what ppl mean!

[Haneef]

can u both shut up? u both have shown nothing but hate.... live and let live

no?

[kandahari ella]

Haha this tread is funny. So why can't we all just live in peace amongst ourselves? Who are we to object one sect of Islam to be invalid?! At the end of the day, as long as a Mulim believes in " la ilaha illallah, Muḥammadur rasûlullah" its all good.

Since I'm new to this forum thing, I'm not sure what has been said about mainstream Islam, Sufism and Wahabbism. But through my research, I've noticed that Wahabbi's are soo scared of Shirk that they make Islam so challenging to follow. Allah (SWT) made religion simple. Its not meant to bring us down, religion is supposed to enlighten us and make us want to become better Muslims. Again, at the end of the day- lets stop hating on what people believe in and judging people. May Allah (SWT) guide us all towards the right path.

[شمله ور خراساني]

isn't the whole salafi/wahabi agenda funded and aided by British and America? how did the saudis get the $$? who put the Saud family in power? How did Abdul wahab mary his daughter...

Surely all manking are the children of Adam, hence don't talk out of your stomach. first ask what ppl mean!

You are now talking rubbish. You said that atheists are part of the ummah. Comedian.

[Haneef]

go look up the different definitions of Ummah, then you will thank me for teaching you a bit

[Catya Sher]

Haneef,

I don't want to impose my ideas on your thread, I know it's out of place.

Why do you not sound like a real Sufi? You are so combative against these guys.

Real Sufis are so self-negating that their gaze is always cast down in humility. they concentrate on their own path to perfection in Allah.

They rarely ever would have time to devote to brandishing a wood baton over every last thing that another Muslim says!

I am just curious, as I've been reading these exchanges. You sound so aggressive.

This isn't Sufi.

Why not be aggressive against the real problems in the world, such as the situation in Afghanistan, if you are an Afghan which I assume you are?

Isn't that much more important to get involved in if you are going to immerse yourself in political topics?

[Haneef]

You have a right to voice your opinion, and you are right, I am not indicative of a sufi, but I never claimed to be one, you won't find me to say I am one. I try to practice many characteristics, but I am not perfect.

That being stated, it is also not as simple as you make it out to be. There are many issues at stake here, we are commanded to forbid evil, condemn evil and heretics in their face, harshly. Za Afghan yum, kandahari yam, Alhumdulillah!! And if you realized the situation there and the rest of the world, you would realize it all ties together.

I do appreciate your honest and sincere advice, and i ask you to read a bit more about wahabism and its roots, foundation, and how many of the Muslim world's problems today can be traced back to it in one way or another. khudai pa amaan.

[Catya Sher]

Thanks for that forthright answer, saying you are not actually a Sufi. Just out of curiosity, what is your spiritual background?

I see you are from Kandahar originally.

Why not to use all this heated debate constructively?

Both Sufis and Salafis exist, so how can they work together for the good of a future Afghanistan?
I think THIS is what we need to discuss.

It's a very thorny topic, with emotions on these and other sides too at a feverish pitch.

Here's a question if you come back [since you said good by apparently] :

Do you guys all feel the same way: seemingly more comfortable spiritually with atheists/agnostics THAN with Salafis?