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[Pakhtun_Policy]

Those that you mentioned your above post. About Umar (ra) and Abu Bakr (ra) etc.

The Hadith of Abu Baqr (R.A) is reported by ash-Shatibi in 'al-Muwafaqat' (4/85), and Ibn Taymiyyah in 'Majmu' al-Fatawa' (11/318).

The Hadith of Hazrat Omar (R.A) is a very famous and well known Hadith if I am not wrong I think its recorded by either Bukhari or Muslim.

If you want to know the autheticity of the Hadiths of Abdals, they have reached the highest form of authenticity . You can read in details numerous Hadiths with chains,refrences etc on this page regarding the topic Abdals and who they are :

http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/


I just want to emphasze just more on the Kashf / Firsast wich is a reality within Islam that special people among the Ummah of Islam posess. Just as the true dream is a characteristic of the believer, so is kashf a characteristic of belief according to the following hadith.Look at this Hadith :

From al-Harith ibn Malik al-Ansari (some chains have: al-Haritha ibn al-Na`man al-Ansari): He passed by the Prophet who asked him: "How are you this morning O Haritha [sic]?" He replied: "This morning I am a real believer." The Prophet said: "Take care of what you say: what is the reality of your belief?" He said: "I have turned myself away from this world by keeping awake at night and by keeping myself thirsty by day; and I can almost see the Throne of my Lord in full sight; and I can see the people of the Garden of Paradise visiting each other; and I can almost see the people of the Fire wailing to each other in it." The Prophet said: "O Haritha, you do know: therefore cleave to it." Some versions add: "This is a believer, Allah has illumined his heart"(Narrated by Tabarani in his Mu`jam al-Kabir, al-Bazzar, Suyuti in his Jami` al-saghir, al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa'id in the "Chapter on the Reality of Belief and its Perfection" (bab haqiqat al-iman wa kamalih), al-`Askari, Ibn al-Mubarak in Kitab al-zuhd, `Abd al-Razzaq through two chains, Ibn Mindah, Bayhaqi in Shu`ab al-iman, Ibn Asram in Kitab al-istiqama, Ibn Sa`id, and Ibn Abi Shayba in his Musannaf. Abu Hanifa mentions it in his al-Fiqh al-akbar. Ibn Hajar in his Isaba lists its many chains and says that this is a hadith mu`dal (i.e. its chain is missing two or more sub-narrators) and mawsul (or: muttasil; i.e. it is linked back to a Companion through the authority of a Tabi`i. )

http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/ghayb.htm

If this Sahabi can see things why couldnt Hazrat Omar ( R.A) ?

In the next Hadith Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) tells the Sahabi Hanzala (R.A) that if his (Hanzalas) "state of mind is always the same as it is at the time of remembrance of Allah, the Angels would shake hands with you and would greet you on the path by saying: As-Salamu-Alaikum"

This Hadiths also gives us indicator that he will be also able to see the angels .Here is the full Hadith:

Hanzala reported: We were in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he delivered to us a sermon and made a mention of Hell-Fire. Then I came to my house and began to laugh with my children and sport with my wife. (Hanzala) further reported: I went out and met Abu Bakr and made a mention of that to him. Thereupon he said: I have done the same as you have mentioned. So we went to see Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) and said to him: Allah's Messenger, Hanzala has turned to he a hypocrite. And he (the Holy Prophet) said Show respite. And then I narrated to him the story, and Abu Bakr said: I have done the same as he has done. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Hanzala, there is a time for worldly affairs and a time for (worship and devotion), and if your state of mind is always the same as it is at the time of remembrance of Allah, the Angels would shake hands with you and would greet you on the path by saying: As-Salamu-Alaikum. ( Sahih Muslim ,Book 037, Number 6624: The Book Pertaining to Repentance and Exhortation to Repentance (Kitab Al-Tauba)

So you see the Ummah of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) ,special ones among it can see things ,hear things etc.. just as Ibn Tamiyya explained :

It is said that after the Seal of Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wassallam) revelation does descend but it is not called so. Rather it is called as what the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wassallam) referred to as the “Light of God”. The believer sees with the Light of God. When the believer sees through the Light of God he sees all things – the First and the Last; the Present and the Absent. How can anything be concealed from God’s light? And, if something does appear concealed, then it is not the Light of God. Therefore, the meaning of revelation exists even if it is not called so. Further, according to him: What is considered as a saint’s miracle, is that sometimes the saint hears what others do not hear or sees something that others do not see – not while he is asleep, but in a wakened state of vision. He even knows things that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration – not while he is asleep, but in a wakened state of vision. He even knows things that others cannot know through revelation or inspiration. (Majmu’a Fataawa)


So brother after all these evidences if you still want to deny existance of Sufi Saints and their powers then be my guest and you have to answer to Allah on Judgement Day.

[Maiwand]

وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦۤ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلصِّدِّيقُونَ*ۖ وَٱلشُّہَدَآءُ عِندَ رَبِّہِمۡ لَهُمۡ أَجۡرُهُمۡ وَنُورُهُمۡ*ۖ وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَڪَذَّبُواْ بِـَٔايَـٰتِنَآ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ أَصۡحَـٰبُ ٱلۡجَحِيمِ

And those who believe in Allah and His messengers, they are the loyal, and the martyrs are with their Lord; they have their reward and their light; while as for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are owners of hell-fire. (57: 18).

[Saif ul Haq]

The Muslims have a totally different understanding about "Awliya" and "Wali" from Ahl al-Tasawwuf and the Sufis

The most important factors are as follows:

- Awliya of Allah are fully obedient to Allah and worship Him exclusively

- No one knows who is an Awliya except through revelation and that is exclusive to Rasoolullaah, anyone who claims such is by default a liar

- No one from Ahl al-Tasawwuf and the Sufis can be an Awliya of Allah, as Tasawwuf and Sufism are not from Islaam and the Sufi saints are the most evil, greedy people ever known

- The beliefs about saints controlling the Earth come from Pagan doctrines that the Sufis and Ahl al-Tasawwuf follow

- All of the reports speaking about abdaal, aqtaab, aghwaath, nuqaba’, nujaba’ and awtaad are falsely attributd to Rasoolullaah not authentic and they are discussed in the book "al-Maqalaat al-Qisaar" by Muhammad al-Arfi

[Pakhtun_Policy]

The Muslims have a totally different understanding about "Awliya" and "Wali" from Ahl al-Tasawwuf and the Sufis

The most important factors are as follows:

- Awliya of Allah are fully obedient to Allah and worship Him exclusively

- No one knows who is an Awliya except through revelation and that is exclusive to Rasoolullaah, anyone who claims such is by default a liar

- No one from Ahl al-Tasawwuf and the Sufis can be an Awliya of Allah, as Tasawwuf and Sufism are not from Islaam and the Sufi saints are the most evil, greedy people ever known

- The beliefs about saints controlling the Earth come from Pagan doctrines that the Sufis and Ahl al-Tasawwuf follow

- All of the reports speaking about abdaal, aqtaab, aghwaath, nuqaba’, nujaba’ and awtaad are falsely attributd to Rasoolullaah not authentic and they are discussed in the book "al-Maqalaat al-Qisaar" by Muhammad al-Arfi

SubhanAllah . You must have a verbal diarea of lies coming out of you. Ibn Tamiyaa that you wahabis follow and quotes to much in your wahabi works.Let us see what he said about Abdals and the Saints.Allamah Ibn Taymiyyah also testified to the existence of the Abdaal. Thus, he mentions in his infamous ‘Al Aqeedah al wastiyyah’:

“However, since Nabi صلي الله عليه و سلم has predicted that the Ummah will divide into seventy three groups; all of who will be in the fire except one group which is the ‘Jama’ah; (The Jama’ah is) as described in another hadith: “They remain on the like of that which I am on and my companions”, it becomes (known that) the true adherents of Islam in its pristine purity are the Ahl al Sunnah wal Jama`ah. Amongst them are the truthful saints (siddiqoon), the martyrs and the righteous ones. Also found amongst them are those men who are signs of guidance and hallmarks of illumination, of recorded integrity and virtues were mentioned. The Abdaals are amongst them. Also the Imams who (the general) Muslim populace are in full accord concerning their guidance of religion are to be found among them. These are the Victorious Group about whom the Prophet said: "A group within my Community manifestly continues to be in the truth. Neither those who oppose them nor those who abandon them can do them harm, from now on until the Day of Resurrection….” (Al Aqeedah al waastiyyah 1/32. Also check Majmoah al fatawa 3/159)

http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/



Ali (Radhi Allahu anhu) has narrated that Nabi صلي الله عليه و سلم has said, “Abdaals will be in Syria. They are forty men. Every time one of them passes away, Allah replaces him with another. Through them does the rain descend and you gain victory over your enemies. It is also because of them that punishment is averted from the people of Syria.” (Narrated by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad and Fadhaail as Sahabah, Allamah Abdur Razzaq, Allamah Dhiyah al Maqdasy and others. Allamah Suyuti, Busairi and others said that the chain is authentic)


Now you can try to refute the Abdals existance as much as you can but fact is clear.


And you say that Tasawwuf doesnt exist . Now let us look at the following Hadiths of the Prophets Mohammad(pbuh:

Narrated ‘Uqba bin ‘Umar and Abu Mas’ud:

Allah’s Apostle pointed with his hand towards Yemen and said, “True Belief (Eeman) is Yemenite yonder (i.e. the Yemenite, had True Belief and embraced Islam readily), but sternness and mercilessness are the qualities of those who are busy with their camels and pay no attention to the Religion where the two sides of the head of Satan will appear. Such qualities belong to the tribe of Rabi’a and Mudar.”
~Saheeh Al-Bukhaari, The Book of the Beginning of Creation, Hadeeth No. 3079

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Pride and arrogance are characteristics of the rural bedouins while calmness is found among the owners of sheep. Eeman is Yemenite, and wisdom is also Yemenite i.e. the Yemenites are well-known for their true belief and wisdom).” Abu ‘Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said, “Yemen was called so because it is situated to the right of the Ka’ba, and Sham was called so because it is situated to the left of the Ka’ba.”
~Saheeh Al-Bukhaari, Book of the Virtues of the Prophet and His Companions, Hadeeth No. 3261


Narrated Abu Masud:

The Prophet beckoned with his hand towards Yemen and said, “Belief (Eeman) is there.” ~Saheeh Al-Bukhaari, Book of Military Expeditions, Hadeeth No. 4069


You know that when the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spoke of BELIEF in YEMEN,he didnt mean it just for that ceratin time, but this was meant until the Judgement day . And do you know what majority of Yemeni people follow in Yemen? 90 % of Yemens people have been since day one been TASAWWUF FOLLOWERS.



This shows clearly from Hadith that TASAWWUF is the way of Islam to follow.Because Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) said that "The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul":

Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [. . .] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [. . .] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [. . .] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [. . .] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [. . .] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’

Hadith cited in (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators.

Hadith also Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).

In the a HAdith importance of Yemen is beeing given again and read carefully what Prophet Mohammad said about the Yemenis tribes i.e :

"Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith"







Did you know that HadraMawt is the capitol of Sufism in Yemen?And from there it has branched out to the whole country .Hence you have been prove wrong again. Tasawuf exist and its these Tasawwuf people that will be in Paradice and not you wahabis.

Either way you look at it you wahabis are beeing proven wrong time after time and there is nothing you can do to deceive the rest of the Tasawwuf loving Pakhtuns on both sides of the border.

The evidence I have come with speaks for it self.

[Maiwand]

Imaan (Belief) Is Yemenite

[Saif ul Haq]

As I mentioned many times over and over again, you're seeing things that aren't there. Let's go through each narration:

Ali (Radhi Allahu anhu) has narrated that Nabi صلي الله عليه و سلم has said, “Abdaals will be in Syria. They are forty men. Every time one of them passes away, Allah replaces him with another. Through them does the rain descend and you gain victory over your enemies. It is also because of them that punishment is averted from the people of Syria.” (Narrated by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad and Fadhaail as Sahabah, Allamah Abdur Razzaq, Allamah Dhiyah al Maqdasy and others. Allamah Suyuti, Busairi and others said that the chain is authentic)

This is not even a hadith, it's a munqati (this alone makes it unauthentic) report up to 'Ali with not only a broken chain but also reported by narrators who were declared weak. So this report is not authentic I highly advise you to read "al-Maqalaat al-Qisaar" by Muhammad al-Arfi

The rest of the narrations you've mentioned are unnecessary and have nothing to do with Tasawwuf.

Every Sufi saint is a hypocrite, especially those from Yemen like Habib Ali al-Jifri and Hadramawt is a place nothing less then polytheism is practiced. They make people bathe in a river next to a tomb claiming that it forgives all sins. This is farthest from Imaan!

How can you make a bogus claim that 90% of Yemenis do Tasawwuf? It's hard enough to even know the actual population of Yemen, let alone know whose following what

Let's not forget, Hadramawt use to be Communist and the Sufi scholars were also Communists!

[Dreamer]

isnt yemen more orientated towards the zaidi shia belief?

[Saif ul Haq]

Zaydis are a minority

Most reports discussing Yemen were not prophecies, they were related only for that time

[Dreamer]

Zaydis are a minority

Most reports discussing Yemen were not prophecies, they were related only for that time

the dangers of taking things out of context for you

[Saif ul Haq]

it's very dangerous, you can see how people abuse the reports for their own irreligious beliefs

[Dreamer]

it's very dangerous, you can see how people abuse the reports for their own irreligious beliefs

I agree

[Pakhtun_Policy]

As I mentioned many times over and over again, you're seeing things that aren't there. Let's go through each narration:

This is not even a hadith, it's a munqati (this alone makes it unauthentic) report up to 'Ali with not only a broken chain but also reported by narrators who were declared weak. So this report is not authentic I highly advise you to read "al-Maqalaat al-Qisaar" by Muhammad al-Arfi

The rest of the narrations you've mentioned are unnecessary and have nothing to do with Tasawwuf.

Every Sufi saint is a hypocrite, especially those from Yemen like Habib Ali al-Jifri and Hadramawt is a place nothing less then polytheism is practiced. They make people bathe in a river next to a tomb claiming that it forgives all sins. This is farthest from Imaan!

How can you make a bogus claim that 90% of Yemenis do Tasawwuf? It's hard enough to even know the actual population of Yemen, let alone know whose following what

Let's not forget, Hadramawt use to be Communist and the Sufi scholars were also Communists!

SubhanAllah, is this is all you can come up with? All the Muhaddithun throughout history never objected to the Hadith of Hazrat Ali (R.A) ,but only you wahabis do,shows that you wahabis are on batil.

And you can come with any BS as much as you like but the Hadiths about Yemen and their tribes will be in Paradice is proof enough that Tasawwuf is the right way in within Islam,because its a fact that Tasawwuf have been a predominant factor for centuries in Yemen.The following survey prooves Sufism has flourished in Yemen for centuries and majority of the people are sufis:

The Underground Friends of God and Their Adversaries: A Case Study and Survey of Sufism in Contemporary Yemen
by David Buchman (Anthropology, SUNY,Stony Brook)
[Yemen Update 39(1997):21-24]


Sufism in many areas of Yemen today has beendriven underground because of recent and past economic, political andreligious opposition. As a result, Sufi orders, ideas and practicesare hidden but alive throughout Yemen....A well-known contemporary Yemeni historian, 'Abd Allahal-Hibshi, has traced the existence of Sufi ascetic practices inYemen as far back as the first century of Islam and has listed majorSufi orders in both regions existing since that time. Some ordersthat al-ùibshõ mentions and that we found during our survey areBa-'Alawi, Idrisiya, Hassaniya, Qadiriya, Naqshbandiya, Tijjaniya,Rifa'iya, Burhaniya, and Dandarawiya.


http://www.aiys.org/webdate/sufi.html

[Saif ul Haq]

SubhanAllah, is this is all you can come up with? All the Muhaddithun throughout history never objected to the Hadith of Hazrat Ali (R.A) ,but only you wahabis do,shows that you wahabis are on batil.

I highly doubt you can even name me at least five well-known Muhadiththeen that said this report is authentic

No scholar ever said this to be the words of Rasoolullaah, rather it was 'Ali who was speaking and this makes the report munqati and not authentic!

So you khariji can complain all you want, it will neve rbe considered the words of Rasoolullaah

And I'm curious why did you attribute this to Rasoolullaah?

And you can come with any BS as much as you like but the Hadiths about Yemen and their tribes will be in Paradice is proof enough that Tasawwuf is the right way in within Islam,because its a fact that Tasawwuf have been a predominant factor for centuries in Yemen.The following survey prooves Sufism has flourished in Yemen for centuries and majority of the people are sufis:

The Underground Friends of God and Their Adversaries: A Case Study and Survey of Sufism in Contemporary Yemen
by David Buchman (Anthropology, SUNY,Stony Brook)
[Yemen Update 39(1997):21-24]


Sufism in many areas of Yemen today has beendriven underground because of recent and past economic, political andreligious opposition. As a result, Sufi orders, ideas and practicesare hidden but alive throughout Yemen....A well-known contemporary Yemeni historian, 'Abd Allahal-Hibshi, has traced the existence of Sufi ascetic practices inYemen as far back as the first century of Islam and has listed majorSufi orders in both regions existing since that time. Some ordersthat al-ùibshõ mentions and that we found during our survey areBa-'Alawi, Idrisiya, Hassaniya, Qadiriya, Naqshbandiya, Tijjaniya,Rifa'iya, Burhaniya, and Dandarawiya.

http://www.aiys.org/webdate/sufi.html

The facts are in front of you, the virtues of Yemen only applied during the Prophets time. And Hadramawt was a Communist province along with all the Sufi saints that lived there were also Communists aligned with the Communist regime!

No matter how hard you try to prove Tasawwuf to be good, it will never find its acceptance in Islam as Islam never taught Tasawwuf

Oh and don't forget about Dammaaj in Yemen, that's hardcore Salafi central