The Jahmites A Historical Outline

[Saif ul Haq]

Majority, if not all, of the Ashariya today are Jahmiya, thanks to their famous predecessor, al-Juwayni, who took away the very little Imaan the Ashariya had and replaced it with Atheism

[Baygham]

Jahm Debating the Sumaniyyah: Part 2
We can take upon another element of Jahm's debates with the Sumaniyyah, and remember the Sumaniyyah were Naturalists, part of their belief was that everything exists due to natural causes and can be explained by way of them. ...................................

Wow what an evolved view. In physics it was this exact view that led to modern theories and progress. In islam we have him beheaded. All the christens did was not behead those that had such views. its ok for some to have views like them, its not against religion.

Thats why Islam prohibits science. If you do not believe in this one sentence how can you be a scientist. Can anyone elaborate.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Wow what an evolved view. In physics it was this exact view that led to modern theories and progress. In islam we have him beheaded. All the christens did was not behead those that had such views. its ok for some to have views like them, its not against religion.

Thats why Islam prohibits science. If you do not believe in this one sentence how can you be a scientist. Can anyone elaborate.

naturalists deny the part god played in creating everything as it is.

Even many modern scientists belief in god.

Newton was a theist.

[Baygham]

naturalists deny the part god played in creating everything as it is.

Even many modern scientists belief in god.

Newton was a theist.

Which theory of Newton or for that matter any modern scientist is not based on the natural order of things under natural causes without the use of diety or creator. Personal beliefs dont come in science. Newton's theories do not incorporate a diety.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Which theory of Newton or for that matter any modern scientist is not based on the natural order of things under natural causes without the use of diety or creator. Personal beliefs dont come in science. Newton's theories do not incorporate a diety.

you are now changing the line of questioning. I did not say they do.

You argued that scientific progress came about by people believing in naturalism- which means, disbelieving in role the creator played in creating the world and the universe.

I told you that there are many scientists who do believe in god. And do not deny the existence of a creator.

[Baygham]

you are now changing the line of questioning. I did not say they do.

You argued that scientific progress came about by people believing in naturalism- which means, disbelieving in role the creator played in creating the world and the universe.

I told you that there are many scientists who do believe in god. And do not deny the existence of a creator.

Shaatha keega ma kana,

You clearly said

Jahm Debating the Sumaniyyah: Part 2
We can take upon another element of Jahm's debates with the Sumaniyyah, and remember the Sumaniyyah were Naturalists, part of their belief was that everything exists due to natural causes and can be explained by way of them. So there is no creator - everything has always been there and natural causes explain everything. ..............................................

I said science came about and still exist because of this central belief. And that is why in Islam it does not progress because you guys call it kufr and behead them.

No scientist in the world will work one day without this "part of their belief was that everything exists due to natural causes and can be explained by way of them" as the central and most important part of there work and this tenet cannot be broken.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Shaatha keega ma kana,

You clearly said


I said science came about and still exist because of this central belief. And that is why in Islam it does not progress because you guys call it kufr and behead them.

No scientist in the world will work one day without this "part of their belief was that everything exists due to natural causes and can be explained by way of them" as the central and most important part of there work and this tenet cannot be broken.

well if one beliefs that there is no creator, then this is obviously kufr, disbelief, apostasy and it doesnt matter if we progress or not. We are not created to become prosperous and wealthy.

We are created to worship allah.

[Baygham]

...............I said science came about and still exist because of this central belief. And that is why in Islam it does not progress because you guys call it kufr and behead them.

No scientist in the world will work one day without this "part of their belief was that everything exists due to natural causes and can be explained by way of them" as the central and most important part of there work and this tenet cannot be broken.

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well if one beliefs that there is no creator, then this is obviously kufr, disbelief, apostasy and it doesnt matter if we progress or not. We are not created to become prosperous and wealthy.

We are created to worship allah.

Let me frame your words, to remind myself, all pashtoons and the world what we are dealing with.

[شمله ور خراساني]

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Let me frame your words, to remind myself, all pashtoons and the world what we are dealing with.

Allah refers to his book as "reminder" for mankind. So dont use my words as a reminder. You claimed to be a muslim. So use what muslims use as a reminder.

And make sure you show this to the rest of the world.

سُوۡرَةُ الدّخان


وَمَا خَلَقۡنَا ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضَ وَمَا بَيۡنَہُمَا لَـٰعِبِينَ (٣٨) مَا خَلَقۡنَـٰهُمَآ إِلَّا بِٱلۡحَقِّ وَلَـٰكِنَّ أَڪۡثَرَهُمۡ لَا يَعۡلَمُونَ (٣٩)

Ad-Dukhan
And We created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, for mere play, (38) We created them not except with truth (i.e. to examine and test those who are obedient and those who are disobedient and then reward the obedient ones and punish the disobedient ones), but most of them know not. (39)

سُوۡرَةُ صٓ


وَمَا خَلَقۡنَا ٱلسَّمَآءَ وَٱلۡأَرۡضَ وَمَا بَيۡنَہُمَا بَـٰطِلاً۬*ۚ ذَٲلِكَ ظَنُّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ*ۚ فَوَيۡلٌ۬ لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنَ ٱلنَّارِ (٢٧)

Sad
And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve (in Islâmic Monotheism) from the Fire! (27)

سُوۡرَةُ الجَاثیَة


وَخَلَقَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ وَلِتُجۡزَىٰ كُلُّ نَفۡسِۭ بِمَا ڪَسَبَتۡ وَهُمۡ لَا يُظۡلَمُونَ (٢٢)

Al-Jathiya
And Allâh has created the heavens and the earth with truth, in order that each person may be recompensed what he has earned, and they will not be wronged[]. (22)

سُوۡرَةُ الذّاریَات

وَمَا خَلَقۡتُ ٱلۡجِنَّ وَٱلۡإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعۡبُدُونِ (٥٦)

Adh-Dhariyat
And I (Allâh) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone). (56)